Anaconda package and gnome requirements

[Martin Sivak]

Hi,

the new firstboot (inital-setup) will require anaconda. That will cause all anaconda dependencies to be pulled into the installed environment. And KDE or Xfce based installs will get a lot of unnecessary gnome clutter this way.

So I would like to know where exactly do we need Gnome specific packages (metacity I know about.. are there any others?) and if we can remove those pieces to anaconda-gnome subpackage or lorax itself.

For example with metacity, we could require only window manager alias instead (like the old firstboot does). Both Anaconda and inital-setup will then use that alias to start it's window manager (which would point to metacity in Anaconda and to whatever is installed in inital-setup). Lorax will make sure that the proper window manager is installed and configured in the installation environment.

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Martin Sivák
[e-mail]
Red Hat Czech
Anaconda team / Brno, CZ

[Bill Nottingham]

Martin Sivak ([e-mail]) said:
> For example with metacity, we could require only window manager alias
> instead (like the old firstboot does). Both Anaconda and inital-setup will
> then use that alias to start it's window manager (which would point to metacity
> in Anaconda and to whatever is installed in inital-setup). Lorax will make
> sure that the proper window manager is installed and configured in the
> installation environment.

If lorax ensures that the proper env is in the installation environment,
and live installs specify their own desktop groups anyway, does anaconda
need to require a WM at all? Wouldn't it just stick to the pygobject3, etc.
basics?

Bill

[Martin Sivak]

Hi,

Someone has to start the WM and currently that someone is anaconda. That is the reason for the require.

Firstboot has the same issue.. it needs window manager to handle screens and dialogs, but systemd
unit files start primarily [GK]DM where you have to log in first. There is no service to start bare
window manager.

Martin

----- Original Message -----
> Martin Sivak ([e-mail]) said:
> > For example with metacity, we could require only window manager
> > alias
> > instead (like the old firstboot does). Both Anaconda and
> > inital-setup will
> > then use that alias to start it's window manager (which would point
> > to metacity
> > in Anaconda and to whatever is installed in inital-setup). Lorax
> > will make
> > sure that the proper window manager is installed and configured in
> > the
> > installation environment.
>
> If lorax ensures that the proper env is in the installation
> environment,
> and live installs specify their own desktop groups anyway, does
> anaconda
> need to require a WM at all? Wouldn't it just stick to the
> pygobject3, etc.
> basics?
>
> Bill
>
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[David Lehman]

On Mon, 2013-01-14 at 08:41 -0500, Martin Sivak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the new firstboot (inital-setup) will require anaconda. That will cause all anaconda dependencies to be pulled into the installed environment. And KDE or Xfce based installs will get a lot of unnecessary gnome clutter this way.
>
> So I would like to know where exactly do we need Gnome specific packages (metacity I know about.. are there any others?) and if we can remove those pieces to anaconda-gnome subpackage or lorax itself.
>
> For example with metacity, we could require only window manager alias instead (like the old firstboot does). Both Anaconda and inital-setup will then use that alias to start it's window manager (which would point to metacity in Anaconda and to whatever is installed in inital-setup). Lorax will make sure that the proper window manager is installed and configured in the installation environment.

I have patches to split the installer-specific scripts
(eg: /usr/sbin/anaconda) and the runtime requires (eg: metacity) into an
anaconda-installer subpackage. The pyanaconda module will be in the main
anaconda package with significantly fewer requires than the current
package. I'll be sending these patches out in the next couple of weeks.
I can provide details about the new requires if you want them.

David
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