We're announcing a Fedora Activity day coming up very very soon
(apologies for the short notice). This activity day is for maintainers,
QA, and release engineering folks to meet and discuss ongoing issues
with the Fedora Development Cycle and to create a proposal on how to fix
many of the issues. Note, this is not an event to decide on a solution,
it is an event to decide on a proposal, which will then be shared with
the whole community for more input and work.
The timing of this is very short, so that we may have a chance at
changing something within the Fedora 12 development cycle. Funding for
the event was only confirmed a day or two ago, hence the late notice.
If unable to attend (which most will be) but highly interested in
helping with the process, we will be attempting to setup a Fedora Talk
conference room to use throughout the event, as well as an IRC channel.
We'll try to blog the process as well and gather feedback to be used
during the event.
If you will be able to attend in person, please add your name to the
wiki page  so that we can properly plan the space needed within RHT.
While the wiki page says that the page is still under construction, the
dates are solid, the hours during the day are mostly solid, and the
location (one of the RHT buildings) is solid.
Please feel free to use the discussion page on the wiki to express your
thoughts about the event and what problems you're having with the
development cycle. Even thoughts on the initial proposal I drew up at
the bottom of the wiki page would be welcome, although I do believe that
this event will result in a proposal different from what is currently
Again we apologize for the short notice!
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
A late discovered and just potentially fixed anaconda storage bug has
necessitated another week slip of our schedule. The change is important
but invasive enough to require re-validating our storage tests. We were
already late in producing the Release Candidate and there is not enough
time to produce another one and validate it in time for next Tuesday's
release date. Therefor we have decided to enact another week long slip
of the release. This gives us time to create a second release candidate
and fully validate it and hand it off to the mirrors in plenty of time
to sync up for the new release date of June 9th. As much as we regret
slipping, we also wish to avoid easily trigger-able bugs in our release,
particularly in software that cannot be fixed with a 0-day update.
At this time we would only accept tag requests for critical issues.
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
** Note the different date and time! The change was necessary to
accommodate some of the Board members for this month. The Board's
schedule may change after elections and appointments are complete,
to make sure all members can attend as often as possible.
The Board is holding its monthly public meeting on Thursday, June 4,
2009, at 1700 UTC on IRC Freenode. For this meeting, the public is
invited to do the following:
* Join #fedora-board-meeting to see the Board's conversation.
* Join #fedora-board-questions to discuss topics and post
questions. This channel is read/write for everyone.
The moderator will voice people from the queue, one at a time, in the
#fedora-board-meeting channel. We'll limit time per voice as needed
to give everyone in the queue a chance to be heard.
The Board may reserve some time at the top of the hour to cover any
agenda items as appropriate. We look forward to seeing you at the
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Fedora Weekly News Issue 177
Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 177 for the week ending May 24th,
This week we offer a special collector's edition with the last ever
Fedora Webcomic. PlanetFedora links Jeff Shelten's thoughts on "Why
Students Should Get Involved in Open Source", Ambassadors reports on
"Fedora en Mexico", Developments is getting "In a Flap Over Flags",
QualityAssurance takes a look at a "Mozilla/Beagle Blocker Bug
Proposal", Artwork says goodbye to itself but welcomes Design.
SecurityWeek examines the problems of "Cloudy Trust". Translations notes
that "Sections of the Fedora User Guide Cannot be Translated".
SecurityAdvisories includes an ipsec-tools update. Virtualization shares
details on the "Rawhide Virtualization Repository".
If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see
our 'join' page. We welcome reader feedback:
FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Oisin Feeley, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala
Table of Contents
1.1 Planet Fedora
+ 1.1.1 General
+ 1.2.1 Fedora en Mexico
+ 1.2.2 Tips on Fedora 11 release events
+ 1.2.3 Announce your Fedora 11 events
+ 1.3.1 Test Days
+ 1.3.2 Weekly meetings
+ 1.3.3 Blocker bug review meeting
+ 1.3.4 Adobe Flash installation instructions
+ 1.3.5 Fedora 11 Common Bugs page
+ 1.3.6 Mozilla / Beagle blocker bug proposal
+ 1.3.7 New Bugzappers
+ 1.4.1 In a Flap Over Flags
+ 1.4.2 FESCo Election Questions
+ 1.4.3 Anaconda vs YUM Upgrades
+ 1.4.4 Broken Dependencies in Fedora 12 Development
+ 1.4.5 Too Many Conflicts
+ 1.5.1 Goodbye Fedora-art, Welcome Fedora-design
+ 1.5.2 Statistics Poster
1.6 Fedora Weekly Webcomic
1.7 Security Week
+ 1.7.1 Cloudy Trust?
+ 1.8.1 New Translations for Fedora Websites
+ 1.8.2 Zero-day Changes Made to the Release Notes
+ 1.8.3 system-config-kdump Not Enabled for Submission
+ 1.8.4 Sections of the Fedora Users-Guide Cannot be
+ 1.8.5 SELinux User Guide Now Available for Translation
1.9 Security Advisories
+ 1.9.1 Fedora 10 Security Advisories
+ 1.9.2 Fedora 9 Security Advisories
+ 1.10.1 Fedora Virtualization List
# 18.104.22.168 Rawhide Virtualization Repository
# 22.214.171.124 No libguestfs on Fedora 10
# 126.96.36.199 New Release virt-inspector
+ 1.10.2 Fedora Xen List
# 188.8.131.52 Xen 3.4.0 Released
+ 1.10.3 Libvirt List
# 184.108.40.206 Libvirt VMWare ESX Driver In Development
== Planet Fedora ==
In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora - an
aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide.
Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin
=== General ===
Michael DeHaan wrote an essay "Recognizing and Avoiding Common Open
Source Community Pitfalls" such as that "contributors appear overnight
out of the woodwork, that users grow on trees, and that its possible to
direct community members as if they were employees."
Thorsten Leemhuis asked: "What questions would you like to ask the
Fedora Board or FESCo Candidates?" for the upcoming Fedora Board and
FESCo elections. "Hence we need to prepare a few good questions that we
can send to the candidates once the nomination period ends. And that's
where I need *your help*"
Richard W.M. Jones announced the first proper version of
virt-inspector, "a command line tool that tells you whats in a virtual
machine. You just point it at a disk image or a libvirt domain" and it
can discover a number of pieces of information about the installed VM.
Thomas Canniot posted a How-To about running a successful release
event. "Fedora 11 is going to be released at the end of the month and
very soon, our massive army of ambassadors will want to spread how proud
they are of their Fedora 11 release to the masses."
Jef Spaleta calculated new Fedora usage statistics that combined the
Smolt and MirrorManager logs to come up with some very interesting new
Paul W. Frields responded to the recent discussions about the new
fedora-devel moderation policy. "Theres simply no place in free
software, and certainly not in Fedora, for that kind of abuse. Of course
harsh words arent the end of the world. When we let them become the
noise that drowns out the signal, though, were putting the project at
risk. If contributors feel their time in community discussions are
wasted, they will either hold them elsewhere, or simply go away."
Jack Aboutboul interviewed Lennart Poettering ("Red Hat Desktop Team
Engineer and resident audio guru") about Pulse Audio and audio in
Susan Lauber wrote about "how can you - a Fedora contributor - assist
in making the wiki more useful for everyone?" For anyone wondering how
they can start contributing to Fedora, this is a great way to start,
without any long-term commitments.
Nicu Buceli reported from eLiberatica 2009 in Bucharest, Romania.
Jeff Sheltren discussed "Why Students should get Involved in Open
Source". Jeff says that "from my experience, open source experience has
given our student employees an enormous boost when looking for their
first jobs out of college."
Adam Williamson mentioned the Common F11 bugs wiki page, and how you
can help: "Its really easy - everything you need to know to add an
issue to the Common Bugs page is right there in the page source, as a
comment. If you edit the page youll see a few chunks of comments which
explain how to add an issue (including a template entry), and what else
to do when adding one..." James Laska also suggested that there are
still some high priority defects that could use some extra testing in
preparation for the imminent Fedora 11 release.
Thorsten Leemhuis explained that "There is one small change in
Fedora 11 that I guess will confuse Fedora and RPM Fusion users with
x86-32 (aka i386/ix86) systems quite a lot, but afaics did not get
enough attention yet: By default, the PAE kernel will be used on 32-bit
hardware, where appropriate."
== Ambassadors ==
In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project.
Contributing Writer: Larry Cafiero
=== Fedora en Mexico ===
Alejandro Acosta recently presented the remixes workshop at the May
session of the local Linux User Group know as Gluch in Chihuahua,
Mexico. The reason is that many of the members of the Gluch could not
attend the workshop at Flisol since they where helping out in other
Alejandro created a customized distro based on Fedora AKA Remix and then
tested it on a LiveUSB.
A report on the activities can be found here  and at the Fedora
Mexico Facebook page here .
In addition, Alejandro also gave a talk about Fedora to COPI (an
organization of college IT professionals) at their May 2009 meeting. A
report on the talk at COPI can be found here .
=== Tips on Fedora 11 release events ===
Thomas Canniot posted a very helpful guide in his blog for those who are
holding events around the upcoming Fedora 11 release.
Thomas' blog can be found here .
=== Announce your Fedora 11 events ===
With the upcoming release of Fedora 11, posting your event on Fedora
Weekly News can help get the word out. Contact FWN Ambassador
correspondent Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-AT-fedoraproject-DOT-org with
announcements of upcoming events (and don't forget to e-mail reports
after the events as well).
== QualityAssurance ==
In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team.
Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson
=== Test Days ===
There was no Test Day last week, as we are deep in the Fedora 11 final
Currently, no Test Day is scheduled for next week - it is too close to
the scheduled release of Fedora 11 for any testing to produce results
directly in Fedora 11 final release, but if you would like to propose a
test day which could result in changes for post-release updates, or an
early test day for Fedora 12, please contact the QA team via email or
=== Weekly meetings ===
The QA group weekly meeting was held on 2009-05-20. The full log is
available. Adam Williamson reported that he had filed a ticket to
have Bodhi use the appropriate resolution for bugs fixed with stable
release updates. Luke Macken said he would take care of the ticket. Adam
also reported that he had not yet remembered to ask the Bugzilla team to
add a link to the Fedora bug workflow page.
James Laska reported that he had not yet sent out a Test Day feedback
survey to previous participants, but had a draft ready and would
continue to work on it.
John Poelstra said that he had not yet finalized a schedule for blocker
bug reviews during the Fedora 12 cycle, as the overall Fedora 12 cycle
was still not finalized. He will revisit the issue next week.
Will Woods reported there had been little work on the autoqa project or
adding upgrade test cases to the Wiki during the week, as testing for
Fedora 11 release had taken priority.
The group discussed the Fedora 11 release situation, and noted that the
release had been pushed back one week. They examined the blocker bug
list, and found it was generally manageable. Francois Cami noted that
major fixes to X.org's core or the ATI driver were unlikely as Dave
Airlie is on vacation. The group noted that most remaining X.org
blockers were in the Intel driver, and assigned to
The group then discussed the Fedora 11 Common Bugs page. Adam
Williamson volunteered to revise the existing page to match the format
used for previous releases, initiate a few other changes based on his
previous work on Mandriva Linux Errata pages, and talk to other groups
about the use of the page, including the Documentation group, and the
IRC, mailing list and forum support teams. Francois Cami volunteered to
help ensure all appropriate X.org issues are tracked on the page.
In open discussion, Francois Cami noted that for Fedora 11, users of
several generations of ATI Radeon cards would now only have the free
drivers as a viable choice, whereas previously they would be able to use
the ATI proprietary driver from third-party repositories. It was also
noted that, at release time, the commonly-used RPMFusion repository
would have no packages available for the proprietary driver even for
cards for which it is still available, due to the lack of a reliable
patch for kernel 2.6.29. The group discussed whether this could be
explained in the release notes (with no definite resolution, but advice
to check with the Documentation team), and how to note the requirements
for a full and useful bug report for problems with the free driver from
such users. Adam Williamson noted that the appropriate venue for such
information would be the Bugs and Feature Requests Wiki page.
The Bugzappers group weekly meeting was held on 2009-05-19. The full
log is available. John Poelstra reported on progress of the
housekeeping changes for Fedora 11's release, and the group agreed that
he was doing a fine job and should keep it up.
Adam Williamson reported on the progress of the triage metric system.
Brennan Ashton has again been busy (and without access to a regular
internet connection), so progress has been slow. Adam clarified that the
main choke point now was the lack of a set of test data for the scripts,
to ensure that they were working correctly, and explained he was doing
his best to get this data made available. Once it is available, work on
the system is no longer solely dependent on Brennan being available.
Adam Williamson also reported on the progress of the proposal to include
setting the priority / severity fields as part of triage. He had sent
out the mail asking for feedback on how to proceed, but had received
none yet. The group agreed that he should send out another mail as a new
thread, and set a deadline of the end of the week; if no significant
feedback to the contrary was received by that point, the group agreed
they should proceed using the method proposed by Matej Cepl.
The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-05-27 at 1600 UTC in
#fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-05-26 at
1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting.
=== Blocker bug review meeting ===
John Poelstra announced a joint QA / Release Engineering Fedora 11
blocker bug review meeting on Friday 2009-05-22. The meeting was not
logged, but all outstanding release blockers were reviewed, some were
closed or downgraded, and action plans were decided for several.
=== Adobe Flash installation instructions ===
Christopher Beland explained that he had updated the Wiki page on
Flash with the latest instructions on installing it on x86-64
systems. Adam Williamson noted that the page should emphasize free
software alternatives as well as the proprietary Adobe Flash system.
Paul Frields announced that he had made such a change.
=== Fedora 11 Common Bugs page ===
Adam Williamson announced his revisions to the Fedora 11 Common Bugs
page, and asked the group to contribute to expanding and maintaining the
page and consistently refer to it when explaining problems. He also
explained some of the planned improvements to the content of the page
and its interaction with Bugzilla.
=== Mozilla / Beagle blocker bug proposal ===
Jonathan Kamens asked whether a bug preventing Beagle from searching
Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird data should be a release blocker, on the
basis that desktop search is a key function for some users and web
browser and email data are important sets which someone may wish to
search. Brian Pepple pointed out that it did not meet the official
release blocker criteria, but Jonathan responded that the page admits
this is a subjective judgment, and many bugs that do not strictly meet
those criteria are in fact considered blockers. In the end, it was
mostly agreed that, because Beagle is not installed by default and so is
not considered core functionality, the issue should not be considered a
=== New Bugzappers ===
Two new Bugzappers volunteers introduced themselves this week: Xia Shing
Zee and Alex Turner.
== Developments ==
In this section the people, personalities and debates on the
@fedora-devel mailing list are summarized.
Contributing Writer: Oisin Feeley
=== In a Flap Over Flags ===
This week's "frank and open exchange of views" took the (non)inclusion
of country flags as its subject. A reminder was posted by Kevin Fenzi
of a previous FESCo decision to split flags representing geopolitical or
ethnocultural concepts into separate subpackages. Tom Callaway posted
the history of how he had come to draft the proposal and noted that the
inclusion of the Taiwan/Republic of China flag and possible consequences
to the distributability of Fedora in the P.R.C. were the initial
impetus. Upon request Josh Boyer provided the relevant IRC log of the
2009-03-27 FESCo meeting.
Lots of discussion was had in several separate threads. FESCo was
criticized repeatedly for taking the decision.
When Project Leader Paul W. Frields was pressed to comment he replied
that it was not his job to interfere with FESCo decisions of this sort
and that he agreed with David Woodhouse's take: namely, that while
disapproving of censorship, there was precedent for removing material
deemed likely to offend the sensibilities of some users.
Although Bill Nottingham thought that it was absurd Toshio Kuratomi and
Seth Vidal explored some ideas about how YUM plugins and a new entry
in the Provides namespace might enable a technical solution.
Jesse Keating outlined the advantages of a "no flags" policy in
gaining possible contributors from the PRC and also getting wider
exposure for software in RHEL.
Denis Leroy was a persistent critic of the decision and called for
most of FESCo to resign.
Patrice Dumas kicked off a fresh instance of the thread which recast
the discussion in terms of two separate issues: legality and giving
Christoph Wickert started a fresh instance of the thread because:
"[t]he `Package Maintainers Flags policy" thread already counts more
than 225 mails, but nobody bothered to answer 7 simple (?) questions I
asked in my mail, although it was one of the very first three mails on
the topic. So what did I do wrong? Was it that I mentioned the missing
FESCo meeting minutes? If 8 out of 21 summaries are missing, IMHO this
is a fact worth mentioning. I'm one of the few maintainers who directly
is affected by the policy. Would somebody - preferably a FESCo member,
who voted for the flags proposal - please be so kind to answer my
questions. TIA!" Josh Boyer answered pretty thoroughly. He included
the information that the policy would be revisited in the next meeting
and an explanation that the FESCo meeting summaries were incomplete due
to the failure of an attempt to rotate the onerous minute taking duties.
Bill Nottingham added that the missing items should now be
Yet a further thread was started by Martin Sourada as a proposal to
create icon-themes as a long-term support solution.
The policy, as currently formulated is posted on the wiki.
The 2009-05-22 FESCo meeting voted to overturn the flag policy and
to start gathering information on the actual scope of the problem. Kevin
Kofler started a thread to this end.
=== FESCo Election Questions ===
John Stanley reminded everyone that nominations for five FESCo seats
are open until 2009-05-29 for "[a]ny interested Fedora packager [...]
the only requirement is membership in the 'packager' group in FAS."
Given the rumblings over the geopolitical flags issue (and other signs
of discontent) it may be that this will be an interesting election.
The requirement to be a packager was a new one and raised questions
from John Poelstra and Rahul Sundaram. Jesse Keating argued that
FESCo was "[...] primarily concerned with the packages and distribution
release side of the house." This was disputed by several commenters who
referenced decisions made by FESCo which affected documentation, artwork
John Rose wanted to know why the voting-pool was not the same as the
candidate-pool and Josh Boyer responded that the issue should be
raised by filing a ticket with FESCo. Andreas Thiemann and John Rose
agreed that there was a culture of meritocracy in the Fedora Project
and John Rose observed that: "The Fedora Board and FESCo and others
think of themselves as being part of a meritocracy (at least that is my
perception of what they think) but at the same time are trying to
encourage more widespread democratic participation which naturally runs
counter to perpetuating the meritocracy."
A subsequent 2009-05-22 FESCo meeting addressed the issue of restricting
its membership to packagers and ratified the current practice while
leaving open the door for further discussion if need be. The meeting
summary (posted by Bill Nottingham) noted that no one who lacked
packager status had actually expressed interest in running.
Thorsten Leemhuis asked for participation in preparing questions to
pose to the candidates once the nominations are closed.
=== Anaconda vs YUM Upgrades ===
A brief thread initiated by David Timms explored why it has been
easier to upgrade a system with anaconda rather than YUM. David
referenced a suggestion that: "anaconda is cheating (ie running --nodeps
installs). This would allow it to complete an upgrade where dependencies
lead to unavailable packages that are not on the dvd, but are in the
complete Fedora, and or non- fedora repositories, that are not available
at upgrade time."
Seth Vidal replied that as anaconda was running outside of the system
experiencing the update it was free to use "--nodeps [without] a concern
for not being able to complete the transaction." Anaconda's ability to
use blacklists to exclude particular items from such transactions is now
available to preupgrade as a YUM plugin.
Jeremy Katz added that: "It also means that we can do things like use
a newer version of rpm or a new kernel with ext4 support to (eventually)
allow for migrating from ext3->ext4[.]"
=== Broken Dependencies in Fedora 12 Development ===
Michael Schwendt posted three lists of broken dependencies in Fedora 12
=== Too Many Conflicts ===
Michael Schwendt reminded the list that packagers were ignoring
conflicts too readily.
== Artwork ==
In this section, we cover the Fedora Artwork Project.
Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei
=== Goodbye Fedora-art, Welcome Fedora-design ===
Máirín Duffy announced a major rebranding: "we are going to rebrand
ourselves as the Fedora Design team rather than the Fedora Art team,
both in hopes of attracting more UX designers, and also since it's a
more accurate representation of the team so folks needing help with UI
design will know where to go." The change involves modification in the
mailing list, IRC channel, the Fedora Account System and awesome new
functionality, shared file storage "This means rather than painfully
uploading your work file-by-file to the wiki, you can just drag and drop
files in batches to the shared directory and link to the top level or
individual files from the wiki [...] This way, other folks on the design
team can collaborate and upload their improvements and remixes to the
same place so we don't have files for the same project all over the
=== Statistics Poster ===
Steven Moix asked of @fedora-design about an updated statistic
poster "Could someone have a look at the Statistics Poster to update
it to 4F standards and update it with recent statistics?", request
quickly accomplishedPaul Frields "It was very easy to do, thanks to
the way it was created -- whoever you are, thank you very much!" (as
discovered later, it was developed by Dimitris Glezos and Máirín
== Fedora Weekly Webcomic ==
Nicu's latest and last webcomic
== Security Week ==
In this section, we highlight the security stories from the week in
Contributing Writer: JoshBressers
=== Cloudy Trust? ===
CIO.com has a nice article that points out some of the probably flaws in
cloud computing: Cloud Security: Danger (and Opportunity) Ahead.  In
theory, cloud computing is a fine idea that has the potential to lower
the cost of a CPU cycle dramatically. The thing nobody is really talking
about yet is keeping your data secure. Right now, it would be rather
unwise to presume that anything you send to the cloud won't be
compromised in some way. Securing a highly multi-user environment such
as this is going to pose a huge challenge. Problems nobody has even
though of are going to emerge, and will take a great deal of cooperation
and understanding to solve them. This is one of the places that Open
Source style collaboration will prove to be highly useful.
== Translation ==
This section covers the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n)
Contributing Writer: Runa Bhattacharjee
=== New Translations for Fedora Websites ===
Translations in Korean, Traditional Chinese, French, Japanese, and
Russian were added for the various Fedora-website pages for the first
time in Fedora 11.
=== Zero-day Changes Made to the Release Notes ===
Ruediger Landmann announced the zero day updates to the F11 Release
Notes which in include all the issues reported by the Translation and
Earlier, DomingoBecker reported the lack of references about the
'5.2.1. Fingerprint Readers' section in the Fedora 11 Release Notes.
PaulFrields suggested the addition of a link to a wiki page as the
reference with a mention of note for 'further information' and the note
could be easily translated by reusing translations from existing
=== system-config-kdump Not Enabled for Submission ===
Kris Thomsen brought forward a problem with the submission of the
system-config-kdump package via translate.fedoraproject.org. It was
later found that the user account 'transif' used to submit
translations via translate.fedoraproject.org had not been granted
submission privileges for this module. This problem is currently in
process of being resolved.
=== Sections of the Fedora Users-Guide Cannot be Translated ===
Daniel Cabrera reported that some lines from the Fedora User Guide
are missing from the .pot file and as a result these lines remain
untranslated in the final document. This was caused while merging the
many disparate files generated by publican.
=== SELinux User Guide Now Available for Translation ===
Scott Radvan, writer of the Fedora SELinux User Guide, announced the
availability of the document for translation. The disparate files have
been merged together into a single .pot file, which can be downloaded.
The translations for this document can be submitted via
== Security Advisories ==
In this section, we cover Security Advisories from
Contributing Writer: David Nalley
=== Fedora 10 Security Advisories ===
* ipsec-tools-0.7.2-1.fc10 -
* nsd-3.2.2-2.fc10 -
* memcached-1.2.8-1.fc10 -
* quagga-0.99.12-1.fc10 -
=== Fedora 9 Security Advisories ===
* ipsec-tools-0.7.2-1.fc9 -
* giflib-4.1.3-10.fc9 -
* nsd-3.2.2-1.fc9 -
== Virtualization ==
In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization
technologies on the @et-mgmnt-tools-list, @fedora-xen-list, and
@libvirt-list and lists.
Contributing Writer: Dale Bewley
=== Fedora Virtualization List ===
This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-virt list.
==== Rawhide Virtualization Repository ====
Mark McLoughlin announced the launce of the virt preview
repo(FWN#171). "We've set up a repository for people running Fedora
11 who would like to test the rawhide/F12 virt packages. To use it, do
$> cat > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-virt-preview.repo << EOF
name=Virtualization Rawhide for Fedora 11
$> yum update
Adding "this is very much a work-in-progress."
Mark McLoughlin decribed the different types of users consuming these
* 1) Users who want things to stay stable and who aren't necessarily
expecting new features until they update to F-12 - these are people
with just the updates repo enabled
* 2) Same as (1) but who are willing to help out testing updates for
the whole distro in order to catch things before they hit the people
in category (1) - these people have the updates and updates-testing
* 3) Mostly the same as (1) or (2), but have a specific interest in
testing new virt features and are willing to deal with virt
regressions - these people enable the updates, updates-testing and
* 4) People who are interested in helping with helping with F-12
development in general, not just virt - these people run rawhide
Daniel Berrange added "The virt-preview repo is intended primarily as
an aid to testing / early experimentation. It is not intended for
==== No libguestfs on Fedora 10 ====
Ján ONDREJ referenced FWN when asking if Richard Jones would
consider including qemu-0.10 into image:Echo-package-16px.pnglibguestfs
package to satisfy dependencies for Fedora 10.
Richard "had a go at backporting the changes to qemu that we ship in
F-10. qemu in F-10 is based on qemu 0.9, and doesn't include the
vmchannel patch." But "ended up with a qemu which compiled, but kept
segfaulting, and it was tricky to diagnose exactly why."
"Is it really a problem to use the libguestfs and/or qemu packages
from Fedora 11 builds? You can grab the latest builds out of Koji."
"This worked OK for me, although I have now moved to using Fedora
11-Preview, and have mostly abandoned Fedora 10."
Daniel B and Mark Mc concurred, Fedora 11 is the place to get libguestfs
==== New Release virt-inspector ====
Richard Jones announced "the first 'really working' version of
"This is a tool based around libguestfs which can inspect a virtual
machine disk image and tell you some interesting things about what's
Some of the things virt-inspector can tell you:
* What operating system(s) are installed, and what distros and
versions. It currently covers RHEL releases, Fedora releases, Debian
releases, and has limited support for Windows.
* How disk partitions are expected to be mounted (eg. /dev/sda1 ->
* What applications are installed.
* What kernel(s) are installed.
* What kernel modules are installed.
=== Fedora Xen List ===
This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-xen list.
==== Xen 3.4.0 Released ====
Pasi Kärkkäinen forwarded an announcement from the Xen list.
"This release contains a number of important new features and updates
* Device passthrough improvements, with particular emphasis on
support for client devices (further support is available as part of
the XCI project)
* RAS features: cpu and memory offlining
* Power management - improved frequency/voltage controls and
deep-sleep support. Scheduler and timers optimised for peak power
* Support for the Viridian (Hyper-V) enlightenment interface
* Many other x86 and ia64 enhancements and fixes
Fedora 11 includes Xen version 3.3.1.
=== Libvirt List ===
This section contains the discussion happening on the libvir-list.
==== Libvirt VMWare ESX Driver In Development ====
Matthias Bolte announced "a project of the Paderborn Center for
Parallel Computing" having "a subgoal is to extend the driver base of
libvirt. We've started an VMware ESX driver and are investigating
"The ESX driver isn't complete yet, currently it supports:"
* domain lookup by ID, UUID and name
* domain listing
* domain suspend and resume
* domain reboot, if the VMware tools are installed inside the domain
* domain start and shutdown
* domain migration
"We think this code might be useful for others and would be glad if the
driver could be merged into libvirt in medium term." Matthias was met
with enthusiasm from the core libvirt developers.
In a meeting today between Release Engineering, QA, and various team
leads, we decided to enact a 7 day slip of the Fedora 11 release date.
The primary reason behind this slip is the state of our blocker bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F11Blocker&hide_res... We cannot begin Release Candidate phase until the blocker bugs are closed or at least in MODIFIED state. We are not there today, which would be our last day to enter RC phase and still have enough time to release on the 26th. We hope to enter RC phase in the next couple days, and hit our new target, June 2nd.
Freeze breaks for critical bugs will still be accepted, however trivial
bug fixes should be pushed as updates via bodhi. Thanks!
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
It's that time of year again. Time to start the naming process
for the next Fedora release.
To recap on the rules:
1) <NewName> must have some link to Leonidas
More specifically, the link should be
Leonidas is a <blank> and
<NewName> is a <blank>
Where <blank> is the same for both
2) The link between <NewName> and Leonidas cannot be the same as
between Cambridge and Leonidas. That link was "was a ship in the Union navy".
We're repeating the collection process we used for Fedora 11 this
time. Contributors wishing to make a suggestion are asked to go to
the F11 naming wiki page, and add an entry to the suggestion table
The naming submissions are open starting now until May 23. The
rest of the schedule is outlined on the wiki page.
So, put on your thinking caps and come up with some really good
Fedora IRC Classroom for May 2009 was completed successfully with 3
Fedora Ambassador Tips & Training -- Max Spevack
What is SELinux trying to tell me? - The 4 key causes of SELinux errors
-- Daniel Walsh, lead SELinux developer at Red Hat
Introduction to libvirt - The virtual machine manager -- Kevin Fenzi
Find the IRC logs at
Thank you for your participation.