1 Fedora Weekly News Issue 184
1.1.1 Fedora 9 (Sulphur)
1.1.2 Meeting Logging
1.1.3 Fedora Packaging Committee
1.1.4 Resources for packagers
1.1.5 Upcoming Events
1.2 Planet Fedora
1.3.1 Release event in Vancouver, Washington
1.3.2 Release event in Petaling Jaya, Malaysia
1.3.3 Release event in Pune, India
1.3.4 Get on the map
1.3.5 Get the word out about your F11 event
1.4.1 Setroubleshoot translations are inconsistent with original messages
1.4.2 Bosnian Translations for Fedora 11 Users' Guide is Now Available
1.4.3 New Transifex .po Files Available for Translations
1.4.4 Transifex Component in Bugzilla Removed
1.4.5 New members in FLP
1.5.1 A Gallery in the Works
1.5.2 New Wallpapers Coming
1.5.3 Continual Brainstorming for Constantine
1.6.1 Enterprise Management Tools List
188.8.131.52 More Device Support in virt-manager
184.108.40.206 Xen, Windows, and ACPI
1.6.2 Fedora Virtualization List
220.127.116.11 Fedora Virt Status Update
18.104.22.168 New Mailing List and New Releases of libguestfs
22.214.171.124 USB Passthrough to Virtual Machines
1.6.3 Libvirt List
126.96.36.199 New Release libvirt 0.6.5
188.8.131.52 libvirt Repositories Mirrored on Gitorious
184.108.40.206 The Role of libvirtd
220.127.116.11 Storage cloning for LVM and Disk backends
1.6.4 Fedora-Xen List
18.104.22.168 Xen dom0 Forward Ported to Latest Kernel
- Fedora Weekly News Issue 184 -
Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 184 for the week ending July 12, 2009.
Here are a few highlights from this week's issue. This past week marked the end of
life for Fedora 9, and the launch of a new logging tool to help facilitate reporting for
Fedora IRC meetings. In news from the Fedora Planet, an overview of the development
changes for Fedora 12, and several posts around Mono in light of Microsoft's recent
Community Promise. In Ambassador news, coverage of recent Fedora release events in
Vancouver, Washington, Malaysia and India. In Translation news, a new Fedora 11 Users'
Guide is now available in Bosnian, changes in Transfix, and new members of the Fedora
Localization Project. In Design news, details on a new Gallery test instance for
development of in-process works by the Art Team. Also some new wallpapers, and more
theming discussion around Fedora 12 'Constantine.' The issue rounds out with news
from virtualization-related efforts, including news of more device support in
virt-manager, announcement of a new list for discussion of
"libguestfs/guestfish/virt-inspector discussion/development." These are but a
sampling of this week's Fedora Weekly News -- we hope you enjoy it!
If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join'
page. We welcome reader feedback:
FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Adam Williamson
-- Announcements --
In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project  .
Contributing Writer: Max Spevack
--- Fedora 9 (Sulphur) ---
Fedora 9 has reached its end-of-life and will no longer receive any updates.
Fedora 10 will continue to receive updates until about 1 month after Fedora 12's
release, and Fedora 11 will be updated until about 1 month after Fedora 13.
--- Meeting Logging ---
A new tool for IRC meeting management is available for Fedora channels on Freenode. Jon
Stanley explained that the tool "was developed by our friends over at Debian, who
are using it to record their meetings as well. We would like all Fedora meetings to be
recorded using this mechanism, such that there's one format for all of the
--- Fedora Packaging Committee ---
There is an open seat on the Fedora Packaging Committee. Those who are interested
should contact Tom Callaway.
--- Resources for packagers ---
Kevin Fenzi has "setup some machines/virtual instances here to assist maintainers
that might not have access to all versions/arches Fedora runs on.". If you want
more information, see the appropriate wiki page.
--- Upcoming Events ---
Consider attending or volunteering at an event near you!
North America (NA)
Central & South America (LATAM)
Europe, Middle East, and Africa (EMEA)
India, Asia, Australia (India/APJ)
-- Planet Fedora --
In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora - an aggregation of blogs
from Fedora contributors worldwide.
Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin
--- General ---
Karsten Wade presented the position for relicensing the Fedora documentation (wiki,
, upstream guides at fedorahosted.org
) from OPL to Creative Commons
(CC) Attribution-Share Alike (BY SA) 3.0.
Paul W. Frields outlined the (shortened) development process and schedule going forward
for Fedora 12. The feature freeze (July 28) rapidly approaches!
Steven Fernandez asked "Is Red Hat really an Open Source company?" Steven
explained the background behind the post: "This question keeps cropping up every once
in a while on different LUG lists where I lurk. It is a fairly established fact now in the
FOSS world (or for that matter in the software world) that businesses can be both Open
Source as well as commercial (ie: for profit). However, the specifics of the mechanism for
doing this is still not well understood."
There was a bit of discussion in the blogosphere around Microsoft's recent decision
to apply their Community Promise (covenant not to sue) to the C# language specification
and Common Language Infrastructure (CLI). Ismael Olea excerpted an excited e-mail from
the fedora-mono mailing list. Not everyone was quite so optimistic however.
Michael DeHaan reminded us that only the core language and libraries are covered under
the promise, and notably absent are some of the components that would make it useful
including Windows Forms and ADO. Michael added "My long held theory is that mono was
never to be considered a legal threat, it is a tool to be used in a strategy of erosion …
insert a compelling technology, then provide a migration path by adding on proprietary
extensions. It erodes Linux and it erodes OSS… and advocacy for it, even in purely
legal/ethical ways, using just the free bits, and so forth, help enhance that position and
Alex Hudson pointed out that "this is going to have a surprisingly negative effect
within the community, however. It validates the arguments of people worried about Mono,
and this proposed split of Mono into “Standard bits covered by MCP” and “Other bits not
covered by MCP” is actually going to fuel the flames: inevitably, people will assume the
non-MCP bits are a total patent mine-field, no matter what is actually in that area. Parts
that people are quite happily shipping right now - such as ASP.net
- will be targetted
next by people “anti” Mono. And for the parts covered by MCP; well, I expect not much to
change: certainly, it’s not likely to convert many people to Mono."
David Woodhouse shared an amusing (true) story about trying to recover the cost of
Windows Vista, from a brand new laptop.
Michael DeHaan trialed Ubuntu Netbook Remix on a netbook and found a number of areas
where Fedora may be able to improve its user experience.
Vincent Danen discussed the idea of "responsible disclosure" in response to
rumors of a mysterious OpenSSH 0-day exploit floating around the internet.
Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail posted an event report (and photos!) from a Fedora 11
Release Event held by the Fedora Malaysia team.
Chitlesh Goorah announced that the Fedora Electronic Lab will be switching the default
desktop from KDE to Gnome.
Scott Williams built a set of RPMs containing drivers for some ATI Radeon HD video
cards, from a new experimental branch that contains 3D support. "You will need both
the driver and the mesa package to enjoy all the 3d stuffs. Again, experimental – use at
your own risk."
-- Ambassadors --
In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project.
Contributing Writer: Larry Cafiero
--- Release event in Vancouver, Washington ---
Kevin Higgins reports that the Fedora 11 release event in Vancouver, Washington, was the
first Fedora event of any kind there, and the first Linux event in Clark County since June
4th, 2005. Matt McKenzie also reports from the event as well
For more on the event, visit http://crossbytes.wordpress.com/
--- Release event in Petaling Jaya, Malaysia ---
Izhar Firdaus reports that on 4th July 2009, the Fedora Malaysia Team, in collaboration
with Saito College held a Fedora 11 Release Event on campus in Petaling Jaya, Malaysia.
Izhar says that they had more than 90 people attend.
For more on the event, visit
--- Release event in Pune, India ---
Nilesh Govande reports that July 5 was a celebration day at Red Hat’s Pune Marigold office
— courtesy of the Fedora 11 release. The event was totally informal where the developers
and college students had a chance to interact with each other. Attendees asked questions
and the answers came from actual contributors of distribution.
For more on the event, visit
--- Get on the map ---
Want to find the nearest ambassador? How about one in Romania? Now you can.
Susmit Shannigrahi reports that finding out the nearest ambassadors, which was once a
tedious task, is now as simple as viewing a map. The map is at
and instructions on how to place yourself on the
map can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_ambassadors_map
--- Get the word out about your F11 event ---
Fedora 11 was released on Tuesday, June 9, and with it a variety of activities around the
release will be forthcoming. As such, with the upcoming release of Fedora 11, this is a
reminder that posting your event on Fedora Weekly News can help get the word out. Contact
FWN Ambassador correspondent Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-AT-fedoraproject-DOT-org with
announcements of upcoming events -- and don't forget to e-mail reports after the
events as well.
-- Translation --
This section covers the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n) Project.
Contributing Writer: Runa Bhattacharjee
--- Setroubleshoot translations are inconsistent with original messages ---
Domingo Becker reported presence of setroubleshoot audit strings in English inspite of
complete translation in the particular language. The rapid changes in the module cause
the .pot files to be changed frequently. Some of the possible reasons for the
inconsistency are: the strings have not been marked for translation or inclusions, the
translations have not been merged when the .pot files have been updated. Piotr Drąg
also informed that the translations may not have been included with the latest builds of
--- Bosnian Translations for Fedora 11 Users' Guide is Now Available ---
Arnes Arnautović has translated the Fedora 11 Users' Guide to Bosnian and the
document has been published to the Fedora Docs website by Ruediger Landmann.
--- New Transifex .po Files Available for Translations ---
Dimitris Glezos informed the list about the availability of updated .po files for
translation of the transifex module.
--- Transifex Component in Bugzilla Removed ---
The deprecated 'Transifex' component under the 'Fedora Localization'
product has been removed from the Red Hat Bugzilla and all the relevant bugs have been
moved to the 'Website' component.
--- New members in FLP ---
Aveek Sen (Hindi & Bengali-India), Igor Gorbounov (Russian), Tomek
Chrzczonowicz (Polish) joined the Fedora Translation Project recently.
-- Artwork --
In this section, we cover the Fedora Design Team.
Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei
--- A Gallery in the Works ---
Máirín Duffy informed on @design-team about a test instance of a gallery software,
something being a wishlist item for a long time, and asked about ways to use it "How
do you think we should proceed with it?". Martin Sourada suggested using it for a
while "perhaps make it accessible to design team members and start filling it with
extra wallpapers and see how it works? And hold a session after some time (perhaps a
month) to discuss whether the test instance works as we'd like or not" and
[[User:luya|Luya Tshimbalanga] proposed some categories "Could it be used to
display past Fedora release wallpapers, contributors wallpaper like Martin mentioned
similar to what Fedora Forum used to have until vBulletin upgrade, sketches."
--- New Wallpapers Coming ---
María Leandro asked for feedback on @design-team about a few wallpaper concepts, which
were received positively, as for example by Máirín Duffy "I think these works are
a very good start start; I think the shading and coloring on mosaico2 is very suitable for
a background. It's not too high-contrast, or stark, or distracting which is good for a
wallpaper" along with a number of improvement ideas from various members of the team,
on which Maria based a second iteration, also received positively "This one is
great. The lighting is perfect."
María also showed a number of wallpaper proposals she did for the Education SIG,
which, as Máirín Duffy observed, didn't comply with the logo usage guidelines
"I have a concern here with the logo - we're not supposed to change the Fedora
logo like that, it's really really against the guidelines". On a tangent, a
sub-logo for the education SIG was created by Máirín.
--- Continual Brainstorming for Constantine ---
Máirín Duffy reviewed a stalled conversation about creating a theme linked to the Fedora
12 codename, a good opportunity for Paul Frields and Nicu Buculei  to chime-in with
their (to long for this report) replies on the issue.
On the same 'Constantine' concept Samuele Storari explored a column "maybe
we can work on the Roman Art Style and not only havin focus on the mosaic, there're
the basrelief or the Monumental sketch or the Bas-relief decoreting the Constantine
Column" and Angella Inzinga with a coin "I've been toying with a
coin-imagery based idea of the campgate. [...] I'm hoping to have something up to post
-- Virtualization --
In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization technologies on the
@et-mgmnt-tools-list, @fedora-xen-list, @libvirt-list and @ovirt-devel-list lists.
Contributing Writer: Dale Bewley
--- Enterprise Management Tools List ---
This section contains the discussion happening on the et-mgmt-tools list
---- More Device Support in virt-manager ----
Cole Robinson patched virt-manager to implement adding of virtual video devices in the
'Add Hardware' wizard. Cole also implemented attaching serial and parallel
Both these features were added to virt-install. Serial ports can be directed to sockets
listening on remote hosts. For example: --serial udp,host=192.168.10.20:4444. That may
come in handy for the F12 Hostinfo feature.
---- Xen, Windows, and ACPI ----
Guido Günther noted that virt-install disables ACPI and APIC for Windows XP guests.
Adding, that it seems "that Windows XP is working fine with acpi/apic enabled which
has the immediate advantage that poweroff via ACPI works as expected. So does it make
sense to handle winxp the same win2k3?". Windows 2003 guests have ACPI enabled.
Pasi Kärkkäinen went to the xen-devel list and confirmed and relayed "Keir Fraser
replied that ACPI with Windows has been working properly at least since Xen 3.1.0
days". Pasi then updated the Xen wiki page.
--- Fedora Virtualization List ---
This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-virt list.
---- Fedora Virt Status Update ----
Mark McLoughlin posted another Fedora Virt Status Update reminding that Fedora 12 is
quickly approaching with the Feature Freeze on 2009-07-28.
Also mentioned were:
Details of a fix for "a dramatic slowdown in virtio-blk performance in F-11
Note on Xen Dom0 support.
New wiki pages created.
Detailed run-down of current virt bugs.
---- New Mailing List and New Releases of libguestfs ----
Richard Jones announced the creation of a new list dedicated to
The current release is now 1.0.57, but Richard is so fast that may change by the time
you read this.
Recent new features:
virt-df - like 'df' for virtual machines
New Perl library called Sys::Guestfs::Lib
Now available for EPEL
Tab completion in guestfish now completes files and devices
Big change to the code generator
Lots more regression tests
guestfish commands: time, glob, more, less
new commands: readdir, mknod*, umask, du, df*, head*, tail*, wc*, mkdtemp, scrub, sh,
Debian native (debootstrap, debirf) support
See previous release announcement for 1.0.14 in FWN#179 and be sure to see the project
homepage for extensive usage examples.
---- USB Passthrough to Virtual Machines ----
Mark McLoughlin posted instructions for attaching a USB device to a guest using
virt-manager in Fedora 11. This could previously (FWN#165) be accomplished only on the
Unfortunately, those wishing to manage their iPhone or newer iPods in a guest (yours truly
included), KVM does not yet support the required USB 2.
--- Libvirt List ---
This section contains the discussion happening on the libvir-list.
---- New Release libvirt 0.6.5 ---
Daniel Veillard announced a new libvirt release, version 0.6.5. "This is mostly a
bug fix release, though it includes some serious improvements for storage/NPIV and on
the OpenNebula driver."
create storage columes on disk backend (Henrik Persson)
drop of capabilities based on libcap-ng when possible (Daniel Berrange)
create and destroy NPIV support (David Allan)
networking in UML driver (Daniel Berrange)
HAL driver restart thread safety (Daniel Berrange)
capabilities and nodeinfo APIs for LXC (Daniel Berrange)
iNUMA API for VBox (Daniel Berrange)
dynamically search and use kvm-img qemu-img or qcow-create (Doug Goldstein)
fix qemu and kvm version parsing (Mark McLoughlin)
serial number for HAL storage (Dave Allan)
improve error reporting for virConnectOpen URIs (Daniel Berrange)
include OS driver name in device XML (Daniel Berrange)
fix qemu command flags fetching (Cole Robinson)
check that qemu support -drive format= (Cole Robinson)
improve emulator detection (Cole Robinson)
changes to config parser to accomodate VMX syntax (Matthias Bolte)
update network schemas and driver for missing elements (Satoru SATOH)
avoid changing file context if not needed (Tim Waugh)
skip labelling if no src path (Cole Robinson)
add arm emulation if qemu-system-arm is present (C.J. Adams-Collier)
libvirt 0.6.4 was released on May 29. Daniel Veillard is "shooting for a slightly
smaller development cycle, in order to be able to push the next version in time for Fedora
12 Beta, this means a new release at the end of July, so only a bit more than a couple of
weeks for pushing the changes, I really hope we will be able to include a first version of
the ESX driver and Power Hyprvisor, if it's the case I think it will be worth bumping
the release name to 0.7.0."
---- libvirt Repositories Mirrored on Gitorious ----
Development of libvirt recently moved to git as the source control management system.
Daniel Berrange announced "I have created a libvirt project on gitorious which
has a mirror of the master branch of the libvirt.git repository. This mirror is *readonly*
and updated automatically every 15 minutes. The purpose of this mirror is to allow people
to easily publish their personal libvirt working repos to the world. The master upstream
repository for libvirt does not change".
---- The Role of libvirtd ----
Hugh Brock described a client's desire to make "libvirtd be a one-stop shop
for everything they need to do on a virtualization host, including things we have
traditionally held out-of-scope for libvirt. A partial list of those things would
In-depth multipath config management
Hardware lifecycle management (power-off, reboot, etc.)
Hugh then asked "why *not* expand the scope of libvirtd to be a one-stop shop for
managing a node? Is there a really good reason it shouldn't have the remaining
capabilities libvirt users want?"
Daniel Berrange replied "This is essentially suggesting that libvirtd become a
general purpose RPC layer for all remote management tasks. At which point you have just
re-invented QPid/AMQP or CIM or any number of other general purpose message buses.
libvirtd has a core well defined goal:"
Provide a remote proxy for libvirt API calls
"If you want todo anything more than that you should be considering an alternative
remote management system. We already have 2 good ones to choose from supported with
QPid/AMQP, with libvirt-qpid agent + your own custom agents
CIM, with libvirt-CIM + your own custom CIM providers
"Furthermore, adding more plugins to libvirtd means we will never be able to reduce
its privileges to an acceptable level, because we'll never know what capabilities the
plugins may want."
Hugh countered  "given a libvirt-qpid daemon on the node that handles RPC over QMF
(for example), is there not some value in having libvirt expose a consistent API for the
operations people want to do on a host regardless of whether they have directly to do with
managing a virtual machine or not?"
Daniel Berrange didn't "really see any value in that" "You're just
putting in another abstraction layer where none need exist. Just have whatever QMF agent
you write talk directly to the thing you need to manage."
Hugh "I will note that when I presented the large client with the option of QMF
talking to multiple agents on the node but exposing (effectively) a single API and a
single connection, they seemed much happier. So perhaps the right way to attack this is
with the ovirt-qpid daemon we are currently working on."
Daniel Veillard was "a bit synpathetic to the suggestion though." "I
think libvirt API should help run those virtualization nodes, I would not open the gate
like completely, but if we could provide all APIs needed to manage the node on a day by
day basis then I think this is not really beyond our scope. I think that netcf(FWN#170)
is an example of such API where we start to add admin services for the purpose of running
virtualization. Things like rebooting or shutting down the node would fit in this, maybe
editing a drive partition too."
"Basically if we take the idea of a stripped down Node used only for virtualization,
then except for operations which are first time setup options or maintainance, I think we
should try to cover the requirements of normal operations of that node. To some extend
that means we would step on the toes of CIM, but we would stick to a subset that's
---- Storage cloning for LVM and Disk backends ----
Cole Robinson submitted a patch series which "implements cloning for LVM and disk
backends. Most of the functionality is already here, it just needed some reorganization to
be accessible for every backend."
"I verified the following scenarios produced a bootable image:"
Clone within a disk pool
Clone within a logical pool
Clone a raw file to a disk pool
Clone a disk pool to a logical pool
--- Fedora-Xen List ---
This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-xen list.
---- Xen dom0 Forward Ported to Latest Kernel ----
Previously, Xen dom0 support in Fedora was provided by forward porting the Xensource
patches from kernel 2.6.18 to the version found in the Fedora release at the time. This
consumed developer resources and led to separate kernel and kernel-xen packages for a
time. As of Fedora 9 this practice was deamed untenable, and support for hosting Xen
guests was dropped from Fedora.
Work has since focused on creating a paravirt operations dom0 kernel based on the most
recent upstream vanilla kernel. This work is incomplete and not expected to be done before
F12 or even F13. However, experimental dom0 kernels have been created for the
Pasi Kärkkäinen tells us the Xen 2.6.18 patches have now been forward-ported to the
current 2.6.29 and 2.6.30 kernel. "Forward-porting has been done by Novell for
OpenSUSE. Novell also has a forward-port to 2.6.27 for SLES11."
The patches can be found here here  and here.
Pasi added "These patches are still more stable and mature than the pv_ops dom0
code.. Also, these patches have the full Xen feature set (pv_ops still lacks some
More history is avilable.
--- end FWN 184 --
Pascal Calarco, Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA