[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request] India

[Sumantro Mukherjee]

sumantrom reported a new issue against the project: `ambassadors-apac` that you are
following:
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Hey , It's time that we have some swags in India. I would like to request for Fedora
Pins, Banners and T-shirts.I would like fellow Ambassadors to  up vote this request as I
work on the cost per unit and propose a definite monetary unit.
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[Ziqian SUN (Zamir)]

The issue: `[Swag Request] India` of project: `ambassadors-apac` has been assigned to
`pjp` by zsun.

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[Ziqian SUN (Zamir)]

zsun added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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IMO we don't distribute T-shirts among APAC. It's over the budget we can have.
Banners, if I understand you correctly, classified to reusable promoting material instead
of swags for distribution.
I think pins and stickers should be fine. But please confirm with @pjp to make sure what
we have in APAC, as PJP physically lives in India and he was helping with swags for the
last two years or so. 
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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Sumantro Mukherjee]

sumantrom added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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@zsun we have been doing events in India since last year and events ave never seen the
face of a banner or any kind of swags except which was made from our own pockets and some
which was given by people who supported the events locally inside Red Hat. I totally get
banners are supposed to be re-used but seems like the whereabouts of one in India is in
doubt. I inquired couple of times for the same to local ambassadors but those raised more
question than answers. I am in touch with @pjp and I will definitely seek his
help/guidance as he is more involved.
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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

sankarshan added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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My suggestion is that we look at this topic in the form which allows the formulation of a
plan related to swags for Fedora events in India. It is perfectly alright if the
conclusion that is arrived at is "Fedora will never allocate funds to produce swag
for events in India". But that needs to be written down and made public in some
form.

For "stuff we all get" at events, it might just be good to ascertain the ones
which are easily produced at a low per unit cost and the economics work well for bulk
production. These might be stickers; badges; buttons; pins; pens; keyrings and such. If
there are no (re)usable banners for enhancing visibility at events around India, it would
worthwhile to check if there are requirements for a new design and the cost(s) of
producing such banners/posters. DIY or, self-funded swag was a great and exciting thing a
decade ago. It isn't such a good model to have today. We will essentially be demanding
that volunteers "pay-to-play" for organizing and being accountable for events.

A rudimentary glance at https://budget.fedoraproject.org/budget/FY18/apac.html seems to
indicate that there is a possibility of monies being available if a proper plan of action
is created. This requires someone to be responsible for the production of a defined
selection of swag and being accountable for the distribution (and tracking) as and when
appropriate. Perhaps, seeking to federate the locations of swag availability might help.

T-shirts are a great event presence. They clearly communicate a message that the project
desires to put across. However, producing good quality T-shirts is expensive unless done
in a sizeable volume. So, that part might just need to be discussed.

If you've read until here - thank you. I would request that this plan of swag for
India be discussed on the Ambassadors list.
``

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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Sachin S Kamath]

skamath added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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@pjp, can you tag this for next meeting? :) I think this is something that should be
sorted out soon. 

+100 to  @sankarshan's thoughts. 
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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Brian Exelbierd (bex)]

bex added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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Swag is very able to be budgeted and there is definitely funding available for this.  The
APAC budget currently has over $4500 available and more can be asked for from the
council.

In LATAM they are looking at following the model EMEA (and I believe NA) use where a lot
of swag is ordered at one time and then shipped as needed.  While I realize that APAC is
both large and has greater shipping/customs issues, I believe that we could work together
to increase quality and reduce costs.  LATAM is doing this and I am happy to help APAC do
this.  We have money and assistance from Red Hat to do this.

https://budget.fedoraproject.org/budget/FY18/apac.html
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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Mohan Prakash]

mpduty added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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Can we consider sending matter for reusable banners to individual ambassadors, asking them
to print the banners at their place and reimburse them later? Maybe it will save shipping
costs and hassles? 
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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

sankarshan added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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>  Can we consider sending matter for reusable banners to individual
> ambassadors, asking them to print the banners at their place and reimburse them later?
> Maybe it will save shipping costs and hassles?
>  
That is one of the items I highlighted in my comment - whether there is a need to do
designs (implied is that designs may vary for appropriate sizes of banners).


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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Ziqian SUN (Zamir)]

zsun added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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>  Swag is very able to be budgeted and there is definitely funding
> available for this.  The APAC budget currently has over $4500 available and more can be
> asked for from the council.
>  In LATAM they are looking at following the model EMEA (and I believe NA) use where a lot
> of swag is ordered at one time and then shipped as needed.  While I realize that APAC is
> both large and has greater shipping/customs issues, I believe that we could work together
> to increase quality and reduce costs.  LATAM is doing this and I am happy to help APAC do
> this.  We have money and assistance from Red Hat to do this.
>  https://budget.fedoraproject.org/budget/FY18/apac.html
>  
Bex,
We have been discussing and running a central production for swags in APAC since FAD Phnom
Penh. And we've been doing central production for DVDs and stickers in 2015 ~ 2016
IIRC. All these are produced in India and sent to other places. China is the only
exception as we face unresolvable regulation issue. That is why I suggest the reporter to
confirm with PJP first, as PJP helped with swgas last year and they both live in India.

Budget wise, we had budget planning meetings before. However that is totally another
story.

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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Ziqian SUN (Zamir)]

zsun added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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>  @pjp, can you tag this for next meeting? :) I think this is something
> that should be sorted out soon.
>  
I'll tag this ticket with meeting keywords
``

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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

sankarshan added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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>  Bex,
>  We have been discussing and running a central production for swags in APAC since FAD
> Phnom Penh. And we've been doing central production for DVDs and stickers in 2015 ~
> 2016 IIRC. All these are produced in India and sent to other places. China is the only
> exception as we face unresolvable regulation issue. That is why I suggest the reporter to
> confirm with PJP first, as PJP helped with swgas last year and they both live in India.
>  
To avoid the unfortunate conclusion that this discussion is intended to circumvent
Prasad's presence, help and experience - let me emphatically state that it is not so.
The original ticket was filed to start off a conversation around swag specific to India.
My comments thereafter have been as a suggestion that it would be optimal to have a
comprehensive plan that identifies the production and distribution of swag in India (to
meet the substance of this ticket) and APAC (to continue with the precedent set).

I am not sure I completely comprehend what specifically has to be confirmed with Prasad.
He is already copied/tagged into this ticket and will certainly respond once this is
brought to his attention and he gets the time.

>  Budget wise, we had budget planning meetings before. However that is
> totally another story.
>  
This seems like a topic best not mixed in this ticket. 
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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Ziqian SUN (Zamir)]

zsun added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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>  To avoid the unfortunate conclusion that this discussion is intended
> to circumvent Prasad's presence, help and experience - let me emphatically state that
> it is not so. The original ticket was filed to start off a conversation around swag
> specific to India. My comments thereafter have been as a suggestion that it would be
> optimal to have a comprehensive plan that identifies the production and distribution of
> swag in India (to meet the substance of this ticket) and APAC (to continue with the
> precedent set).
>  
Oh, sorry, I mis-understand it before. So to be clear, this is meant to be a ticket for
swags all over India then.

>  I am not sure I completely comprehend what specifically has to be
> confirmed with Prasad. He is already copied/tagged into this ticket and will certainly
> respond once this is brought to his attention and he gets the time.
>  
> > Budget wise, we had budget planning meetings before. However that is totally another
> story.
>  
>  This seems like a topic best not mixed in this ticket.
>  
Right this is why I didn't say much.
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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Brian Exelbierd (bex)]

bex added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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Rather than have swag produced at multiple sites (or banners) which puts extra demands on
design and can cause large quality variance, lets focus on figuring out what we need to be
effective and then just print it all in high quality in one place and ship it.

I understand that it will possibly (although not necessarily) cost more, however our
constrained resource is people power not money.  I am not going to claim we have an
infinite supply of money, but I would rather ask the council for a bit more budget than
have swag that looks bad, no swag, or swag paid for privately and never reimbursed.

If production in India is able to be both a) of good quality and b) easily shipped to most
of APAC (not China it sounds like) I am also happy to ask if either of the two RH offices
in India would be willing to warehouse the swag for us and send it on demand.  We can do
that in NA and EMEA so lets do it in APAC to if it will help.

The EMEA model has really helped focus conversations and efforts on impact and not swag
and money discussions.  Lets do that here too!
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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Brian Exelbierd (bex)]

bex added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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This ticket is still open.  This leads me to believe we haven't resolved this issue.

I suggest we go forward one event at a time and work through stock I have access too. 
Please allow lead time for shipping and we can keep unit cost low.

Rather than produce swag for unknown events, lets stick to sending swag for events we know
about and understand why we need to be at and need swag for.

As for banners, let's coordinate a design with the design team and figure out what the
next step is.
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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Sumantro Mukherjee]

The status of the issue: `[Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India` of project:
`ambassadors-apac` has been updated to: Closed as Invalid by sumantrom.

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[ambassadors-apac] Issue #278: [Swag Request][Banner Request] Events in India

[Sumantro Mukherjee]

sumantrom added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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We are moving to a event by event basis process and this ticket doesnt make much sense
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