6:34 a.m.
amsharma reported a new issue against the project: `ambassadors-apac` that you are
following:
``
New Fedora t-shirts printing along with ambassador t-shirt.
Budget - ??
Numbers - 50 Fedora T-shirts and 5 ambassador t-shirts
We can get it done by local vendors if possible at one place for cost effectiveness.
``
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midnight
skamath added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
I don't think the new ambassadors have the t-shirts yet. It'd be nice to have one.
+1
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12:04 a.m.
siddharthvipul1 added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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+1
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12:56 a.m.
pjp added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
- Do we know how many new Ambassador's did we add recently?
- Why 50 Fedora t-shirts?
If we are printing Fedora t-shirts with DevConf.in in mind, that should be at least 200.
Let's try to get real numbers, so that we can budget properly.
Thank you.
``
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1:28 a.m.
sumantrom added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
+1 as new Fedora Ambassadors should a t-shirt
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5:52 a.m.
amsharma added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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New Ambassadors (since few listed here are more than a year old , but still )
@sumantrom @amsharma @skamath @siddharthvipul1
anyone else?
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7:34 a.m.
gnokii added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@amsharma you know what your problem is? You mixing anywhere in without deeper knowledge,
we still have a lot Ambassador shirts left.
Not seen a ticket to get it. So you managed more then a year not to raise the ticket, I
asked before FUDCon who needs one, not seen that you said that you need one. Same for FAD
KUL I asked nobody reacted.
``
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8 a.m.
amsharma added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@gnokii If you have seen the list, it is not just me. So, please be respectful while you
pass on your opinions about me or anyone else.
As far as the t-shirts are concerned, it is good to know that we have them already. But
in today's meeting there were more than 7 people, and noone shared this information
(It seems noone know about it).
``
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8:18 a.m.
gnokii added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@amsharma, you know I have a mind like an elephant. If I remember right and I would find
this logfile and was someone with the nick amsharma, as we planned to do the shirts that
they can be done cheaper in India. So far of knowledge, so dont tell ever again nobody
shared this information.
nobody would have kept you from asking before making a ticket, if we still have Ambassador
shirts
You saying here I have seen the list and I dont know which list you talking about, I dont
care about fedora-india list or what list do you mean, I have not seen any mail on this
topic at the Ambassadors list nor have I seen a ticket assigned to me to get a shirt
``
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8:24 a.m.
amsharma added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
I am talking about today's APAC ambassador meeting and last APAC ambassador meeting
and the list above with names.
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8:50 a.m.
gnokii added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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@amsharma I dont care about a list with names that been in the meeting, it starts with
you. I proved here, that you had the knowledge so why didnt you share? Well when I see the
names, all young Ambassadors so you expect them to know it?
``
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9:09 a.m.
amsharma added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
you don't care :D
okay, see here is the thing, if you try to understand it with open mind ->
1. I was not the ambassador during FUDCon or FAD KUL and seriously I don't remember
when did you ask me about t-shirts.
2. All young Ambassadors in the list (in your opinion ) was ambassadors even before me :)
, so now you may calculate who is the younger one.
3. I have no agenda to blame you for anything. If asking for a t-shirt in an open ticket
where I nowhere even tagged you, is so much bothering you, then I can close this ticket
and we can put this discussion to close.
Also, please note that this is my last comment in this ticket, I don't want to put my
energy and time into this beyond this point.
Sometimes it is good to chill and enjoy life and don't stretch things unnecessarily
when there is no need.
``
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9:15 a.m.
gnokii added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
you know what you can have last word, useless to tell you something.
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11:12 a.m.
bex added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@gnokii your communication here is problematic because it takes a very antagonistic
position. Instead of attacking, this is an opportunity for you to share your knowledge
about how to get a shirt, for example, by posting a link to the process that should be
followed. This is also your chance to share the link to where you are maintaining the
inventory to help the group make an informed decision about printing more shirts.
Please share those links here now.
@amsharma I believe @pjp is right regarding devconf.IN. What was the need for the 50
shirts you mentioned?
``
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11:47 a.m.
gnokii added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@bex dont you see, its just we need just some shirts for something, you always tell if
there is a good reason, so whats the reason here I dont see, its just want to have
t-shirts.
This is about things we agreed as a community, how to handle it and it gets in a constant
ignored. Its about reading log files and keep yourself up to date.
That is our inventory: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/shirts
its provable, that the complaining person was Ambassador during last FUDCon, its also
proven that i reminded on the shirts and its also proven that there been Indians who could
have taken it back, to save postal fees which make it always hard to have centralized swag
in APAC.
But no, we using now the ways the Diversity Team uses, we need just say we want to spend
and they get, and this method we transfer now to the Ambassadors. Speaking about getting
it cheaper with a sum of 5 is just a joke. We did a larger batch of this shirt for a
reason, to stop this local production in a different look thing. We dont want the
situation here, producing local shirts like in LATAM where is then written on Fedora
Brazil or whatever. We wanted to have all the same across APAC and we have not achieved it
to 100%, you can look how many mails went out to get to this 46 distributed. And the core
problem is this carelessness about what is going on.
``
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10:47 p.m.
mpduty added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
New Ambassadors (since few listed here are more than a year old , but
still )
@sumantrom @amsharma @skamath @siddharthvipul1
anyone else?
Hey add me too @mpduty :)
``
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3:21 p.m.
amitshah added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@gnokii please present a welcome tone to new ambassadors. After all, the community is
what its members are, and if this is the tone used to welcome them, it's all downhill
after. You're a senior member, and I'm sure you could find a different way if you
want to convey your displeasure.
You've pointed to the wiki page where the shirts have been claimed or distributed, but
there's no count of shirts that are left in the inventory. Can you please share those
details (preferably on a wiki page)?
Also, since you're active on this ticket, can you please look at
https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/217 and get a shirt shipped to Woo? That was a
really bad experience for him.
Thanks,
``
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10:02 p.m.
gnokii added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@amitshah
* read wiki pages, learn simple arithmetics, there is a link to tickets where an amount is
in.
* start thinking on your "welcoming" behavior by yourself before educating
others on such matters.
* dont try ever to put me to work on things you want, do it by yourself - if you think
there must be something on a wiki page put that in by yourself
* same with send Woo a shirt, you not my boss or mother to order me things to do
and this is my last word to this.
I dont have my door closed, its still open for those who want to work with me, but I not
go to meetings anymore because of exactly that people like amitshah. I dont put a lot of
organizational effort into make sure that I have time during that time and also stable
internet, anymore. Its not worth it. I also stopped running behind people try to help
them, so I dont care who writes here add me to the list. You can be damn sure I see it but
I dont care anymore. If you do it right, fine then I will do, but not this way.
Reflect all a bit on yourself here and as I said before, its my last word on this
``
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10:41 a.m.
bex added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@gnokii It is clear you do not want to do the things needed to manage these shirts, such
as shipping the shirts when needed and clearly reporting the inventory status. Please
ship them to me.
The address is:
Brian Exelbierd
Red Hat, Inc.
Purkyňova 71/99, Královo Pole
612 00 Brno
CZECH REPUBLIC
Fedora can either prepay the shipping (contact me directly for details) or I can reimburse
you when you have a receipt.
Please post a tracking number by Monday March 19th or post a complete inventory with an
explanation about why the shirts cannot be shipped. They may be shipped by DHL ground or
a similar style service that will deliver in less than 2 weeks.
While Mindshare works on the new ambassador structure I will happily manage the
distribution of these shirts and then relocate them as appropriate.
Thank you.
``
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10:51 a.m.
gnokii added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
read a bit more clear, I dont run behind people. What means I dont care if somebody makes
somewhere a ticket, if somebody mentions in some meeting or something like that. My task
is not to looking always around who needs something is that clear now? We had and have a
working system, when it gets ignored not my problem. I simple stop running behind the
people and pampering them POINT.
Second, you will not set me such deadlines, I am not employed by RH so you might ask me if
I can do and not demanding me. Where you living here? Out of your mind or something like
that? So please remind some people to make a ticket and assign it to the right person so
simple is that.
thank you
``
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12:53 a.m.
siddhesh added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Numbers - 50 Fedora T-shirts and 5 ambassador t-shirts
We can get it done by local vendors if possible at one place for cost effectiveness.
I have 2 ambassador t-shirts (Asian male L size) left over from the 2014 APAC FAD.
You're welcome to drop in at reserved-bit (337, Amanora Chambers, Above Amanora Mall)
to pick them up; it's pretty close to the RH office.
``
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10:05 a.m.
bex added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@gnokii I recognize that you are a volunteer contributor who doesn't work for Red Hat.
I understand that you don't have time to run around behind people and do things like
post the link to the directions (where is that link?) or help those who almost get the
process right, but miss some detail. I also hear you loud and clear that you don't
have time to do shipping at all.
I do have time in my day to be able to do these things so I need the physical shirts to be
able to help the project here. I again ask that you send me the shirts. Can you tell me
when you could ship them? If it is going to take a while I am going to need to print new
shirts to fill the existing demand until the shirts you are currently holding can be
folded into the inventory.
``
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10:26 a.m.
gnokii added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@bex you hear always what you want to hear, we make it short. I NEVER BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR
THIS SO BOTHER THE PERSON WHO IS RESPONSIBLE! You might have asked me nicely to organize
that the responsible person ships them but you failed and in you message still swings a
demand - "tell me when you can ship" and if you can not read and you dont get
the problem at all, then its not my problem.
``
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11:09 a.m.
bex added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@gnokii could you share with us who you understand the responsible person to be? So far
in this thread you have asserted responsibility and asserted that you have the shirts.
Your sharing this information is appreciated.
Hoarding knowledge and providing obtuse and unhelpful answers is not how we do things in
Fedora.
``
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2:11 p.m.
gnokii added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@bex you are a hopeless case, really. You assumed something, I never said I am responsible
nor asserted that I am, when somebody says "I shall ship a shirt to Woo" doesnt
make me responsible at all. I just said there are many shirts left and I even gave the
link to the inventory POINT.
You are not better then this person, who "demanded" me to do this task as you
not read the ticket otherwise you would not ask me such questions.
``
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10:54 a.m.
mattdm added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
The Fedora Council is working with Sirko on understanding and following the Code of
Conduct.
``
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11:03 a.m.
mattdm added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Let's move on and focus on the actual request. As I understand the policy from the
[2014 web page](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/shirts) the correct
procedure is to file a ticket in the "APAC Trac", which has now migrated to
_this tracker_. This request is basically that, except the ticket filer didn't know
that there might be shirts still available (which is reasonable, since 2014 was a long
time ago and there is no clear public tracking of any stock and it seems pretty
straightforward to assume that a page that hasn't been updated since December 2015
might not be accurate — even if one would know to start with that obscure wiki page).
So, no one has shown up saying that they have shirts to distribute to the new ambassadors,
except @siddhesh, who has two in male L size. That's clearly inadequate for the
request. So, let's go back to the beginning and figure out what's needed and then
get new shirts produced.
I suggest, though, that rather than doing this just in APAC, we should figure out what we
want to do globally. I'm not sure the best way to do that, but I think maybe closing
this ticket and opening one in Mindshare would be a good approach.
``
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1:56 p.m.
gnokii added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Working looks different
Am 28.03.2018 um 22:54 schrieb Matthew Miller:
The Fedora Council is working with Sirko on understanding and
following the Code of Conduct.
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4:17 p.m.
duffy added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Sometimes discussions that go downhill because of a misunderstanding can be put back on
track. It seems this was dragged down all around.
Since we're airing it all here altho thats probably not the most productive way
fwd....
There are some valid concerns here:
- Missing data : how many new ambassadors
- Missing data : context for t shirt need
- Concern : ambassadors who have been around more than a year not having t shirts - trying
to track down who needs one
- Concern : were spending more money instead of using resources we already have
- Concern: a discussion about this issue is happening elsewhere and isnt linked to here in
the ticket for better context in fulfilling it
- Concern: as new ambassadors come on board inventory data isnt being shared or tracked in
a consistent and discoverable way
- Concern: volunteers being demanded to do things
Instead of focusing on solving some of these problems there is a continual back and forth
of tone policing and he said she said in *multiple* directions.
Yet behind the scenes despite all this public airing of grievances gnokii is informed
privately hes banned from fedora for a lengthy period of time bc of this ticket? Ia that
how we resolve conflict now?
I have said my piece multiple times about concerns around wastefulness in terms of both
spending and the environment on swag. I wont reiterate that. But it is 2018, ambassadors
have been working with swag inventory for a long time. Ambassadors need to focus on
managing inventory if - as it seems from concerns raised here - this isnt managed
centrally and isnt kept updated. If this ticket was filed under design teams tracker - no
offense to anyone, we may have a very different style of ticket management but i suspect
from the back and forth here theres disagreement as to ambassadors ticket process - this
ticket does not have enough data to be actionable. If inventory was managed well it
wouldnt have been as necessary.
I get that Sirkos tone was blunt to start but it didnt go downhill until it was assumed to
be offensive, and you lead him down that path. Sirko is an extremely talented and
motivated volunteer in Fedora and if you could figure out how to harness his passion and
energy instead of assuming the worst and pushing him down a spiral like this you would
have a powerfull ally.
In the future if you have a concern about Sirko please reach out to me privately.
I also get btw we cant be perfect in everything, but why dont we try to be better.
``
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5:13 p.m.
mattdm added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
This ticket only demonstrates part of an ongoing pattern of behavior which does not seem
to be improving. That is destructive to the project overall and demoralizing and
discouraging to many other contributors. Let's keep this ticket to discussing shirts.
If you'd like to discuss the code of conduct action, please file a ticket with the
council.
``
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5:30 p.m.
duffy added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
I most certainly will!
``
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3:54 a.m.
bex added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
I am contacting @sumantrom @amsharma @skamath @siddharthvipul1 off ticket to inquire
about sizes and addresses. I am going to close this ticket when I have fulfilled these
requests.
``
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5:46 a.m.
bex added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Shirts for @sumantrom @amsharma and @siddharthvipul1 will mail this week. I am waiting on
information from @skamath
``
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6:47 a.m.
amsharma added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
I received one fedora ambassador t-shirt. Thanks.
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7:28 a.m.
sumantrom added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@bex Thanks a lot for sending the t-shirts :)
It landed on the perfect time (two days before the F28 Release Party)
``
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7:30 a.m.
siddharthvipul1 added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@bex Thanks a lot. Got the t-shirt :)
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11:46 a.m.
bex added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
I believe all shirts, except for @skamath have been shipped. As he is currently away, I
am request that we close this ticket. I will wait for his reply to direct email.
``
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7:35 a.m.
The status of the issue: `Fedora t-shirts` of project: `ambassadors-apac` has been updated
to: Closed as Fixed by sumantrom.
https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/291
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Matthew Miller
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Mohan Prakash
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Máirín Duffy
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Sirko Kemter
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Sumantro Mukherjee
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