Questions to Fedora on Pinebook Pro

[Andreas Reschke]

Hi there,

I'm working very often with my Pinebook Pro. Due the work I've a few 
question:

- USB-C port on the left, display output for external monitor didn't work
Is there a need to update firmware to flash ? Size of files are changed
Howto from Peter:

=> ls mmc 1:1
    167509   idbloader.img
    335872   idbloader.spi
    975872   u-boot.itb
   9331712   u-boot-rockchip.bin

actual uboot-images-armv8

-rw-r--r--. 1 root root  170708 15. Nov 20:28 idbloader.img
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root  344064 15. Nov 20:28 idbloader.spi
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root  988072 15. Nov 20:28 u-boot.itb
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 9343912 15. Nov 20:28 u-boot-rockchip.bin

- Wayland

Content of window ist missing, windows has to resize to show content, 
older X11 works fine.

- internal Speaker didn't work, not important for me as I'm using a 
Bluetooth speaker

All tested with up2date Fedora 35

Greetings

Andreas

**

[Peter Robinson]

Hi,
> I'm working very often with my Pinebook Pro. Due the work I've a few question:
> USB-C port on the left, display output for external monitor didn't work
>
> Is there a need to update firmware to flash ? Size of files are changed

It's not related to the firmware, it's not supported in the upstream
kernel. It comes down to how the HW implements the various "Alt"
options for USB-C and there needs to be work done on the rockchip
"USB-C multiplexer" driver that switches the functionality. When it
lands upstream it'll just work but I'm not aware of anyone actually
doing to work to get that upstream. There's been a bunch of hacks but
nothing that's maintainable upstream.
> Wayland
>
> Content of window ist missing, windows has to resize to show content, older X11 works fine.

What desktop or compositor? Need more details.
> internal Speaker didn't work, not important for me as I'm using a Bluetooth speaker

There's work needed on the Alsa UCM2 profiles here, there has been
some upstream work that has landed in Fedora but it didn't work for me
either, I've not had time to further investigate/debug this and the
documentation on how the alsa UCM profile stuff works is poor to say
the least and I'm not had time to dig deeper. Assistance is welcome
here.
> All tested with up2date Fedora 35
>
> Greetings
>
> Andreas
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[Ben Beasley]

> > Wayland
> >
> > Content of window ist missing, windows has to resize to show content, older X11 works fine.
>
> What desktop or compositor? Need more details.

I had similar Wayland problems after upgrading to F35 on PineBook Pro. I use a plain-vanilla default GNOME/Wayland session (i.e., install Fedora Workstation and don’t meddle with it). I haven’t taken the time to look into this myself or write up a decent bug report, but I can probably reproduce anything Andreas is seeing.

I also noticed that switching to an X11 session fixed a Wayland bug carried over from F34 (which I’ve also never written up properly), in which Thunderbird interacts badly with task switching, e.g., it can’t be Alt+Tab’ed to.

I’m not really asking for help with these issues, since I haven’t even bothered to document them. However, I’m happy to help reproduce, debug, or test if somebody does work on them.

– Ben

On 12/14/21 13:14, Peter Robinson wrote:
> Hi,
> > I'm working very often with my Pinebook Pro. Due the work I've a few question:
> > USB-C port on the left, display output for external monitor didn't work
> >
> > Is there a need to update firmware to flash ? Size of files are changed
>
> It's not related to the firmware, it's not supported in the upstream
> kernel. It comes down to how the HW implements the various "Alt"
> options for USB-C and there needs to be work done on the rockchip
> "USB-C multiplexer" driver that switches the functionality. When it
> lands upstream it'll just work but I'm not aware of anyone actually
> doing to work to get that upstream. There's been a bunch of hacks but
> nothing that's maintainable upstream.
> > Wayland
> >
> > Content of window ist missing, windows has to resize to show content, older X11 works fine.
>
> What desktop or compositor? Need more details.
> > internal Speaker didn't work, not important for me as I'm using a Bluetooth speaker
>
> There's work needed on the Alsa UCM2 profiles here, there has been
> some upstream work that has landed in Fedora but it didn't work for me
> either, I've not had time to further investigate/debug this and the
> documentation on how the alsa UCM profile stuff works is poor to say
> the least and I'm not had time to dig deeper. Assistance is welcome
> here.
> > All tested with up2date Fedora 35
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Andreas
> >
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[Paul Whalen]

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 1:51 PM Ben Beasley  wrote:
> > > Wayland
> > >
> > > Content of window ist missing, windows has to resize to show content,
>
> older X11 works fine.
> > What desktop or compositor? Need more details.
>
> I had similar Wayland problems after upgrading to F35 on PineBook Pro. I
> use a plain-vanilla default GNOME/Wayland session (i.e., install Fedora
> Workstation and don’t meddle with it). I haven’t taken the time to look
> into this myself or write up a decent bug report, but I can probably
> reproduce anything Andreas is seeing.

Interesting, not seeing this on my fully updated Pinebook Pro with Fedora
35 Workstation on Wayland. Is it all windows or just certain applications?
It would be great if we could get a bug report to get it fixed.
> I also noticed that switching to an X11 session fixed a Wayland bug
> carried over from F34 (which I’ve also never written up properly), in which
> Thunderbird interacts badly with task switching, e.g., it can’t be
> Alt+Tab’ed to.
>
> I’m not really asking for help with these issues, since I haven’t even
> bothered to document them. However, I’m happy to help reproduce, debug, or
> test if somebody does work on them.
>
> – Ben
>
> On 12/14/21 13:14, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > Hi,
> > > I'm working very often with my Pinebook Pro. Due the work I've a few
>
> question:
> > > USB-C port on the left, display output for external monitor didn't
>
> work
> > > Is there a need to update firmware to flash ? Size of files are changed
> >
> > It's not related to the firmware, it's not supported in the upstream
> > kernel. It comes down to how the HW implements the various "Alt"
> > options for USB-C and there needs to be work done on the rockchip
> > "USB-C multiplexer" driver that switches the functionality. When it
> > lands upstream it'll just work but I'm not aware of anyone actually
> > doing to work to get that upstream. There's been a bunch of hacks but
> > nothing that's maintainable upstream.
> > > Wayland
> > >
> > > Content of window ist missing, windows has to resize to show content,
>
> older X11 works fine.
> > What desktop or compositor? Need more details.
> > > internal Speaker didn't work, not important for me as I'm using a
>
> Bluetooth speaker
> > There's work needed on the Alsa UCM2 profiles here, there has been
> > some upstream work that has landed in Fedora but it didn't work for me
> > either, I've not had time to further investigate/debug this and the
> > documentation on how the alsa UCM profile stuff works is poor to say
> > the least and I'm not had time to dig deeper. Assistance is welcome
> > here.
> > > All tested with up2date Fedora 35
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Andreas
> > >
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[Ben Beasley]

I revisited this, and I’m still seeing some issues on GNOME/Wayland on 
Pinebook Pro, but not quite the same ones that I remember or that 
Andreas reported.

1. Fresh boot (just to be sure)
2. Select “GNOME” session (Wayland)
3. Open KeepassXC or Thunderbird
4. Application name appears next to “Activities” with a spinner; the 
spinner never goes away, and the main window never appears.
5. If I click the ”X” in the task switcher for the application, the “X” 
disappears as if a window was closed, but the white dot under the big 
icon at the bottom never does.

I took some screenshots in case that description is unclear, but I 
didn’t attach them. I didn’t see any way to resize the invisible/missing 
window, but maybe I overlooked a technique.

Some other applications I tried (Firefox, gnome-terminal) worked fine, 
and everything works as expected in X11.

If I have a chance I’ll try this again with strace. Right now I’m not 
sure to which component this bug belongs.

– Ben

On 12/14/21 16:49, Paul Whalen wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 1:51 PM Ben Beasley <[e-mail] 
> > wrote:
>  >> - Wayland
>  >>
>  >> Content of window ist missing, windows has to resize to show
> content, older X11 works fine.
>  > What desktop or compositor? Need more details.
>
> I had similar Wayland problems after upgrading to F35 on PineBook
> Pro. I use a plain-vanilla default GNOME/Wayland session (i.e.,
> install Fedora Workstation and don’t meddle with it). I haven’t
> taken the time to look into this myself or write up a decent bug
> report, but I can probably reproduce anything Andreas is seeing.
>
>
> Interesting, not seeing this on my fully updated Pinebook Pro with 
> Fedora 35 Workstation on Wayland. Is it all windows or just certain 
> applications? It would be great if we could get a bug report to get it 
> fixed.
> I also noticed that switching to an X11 session fixed a Wayland bug
> carried over from F34 (which I’ve also never written up properly),
> in which Thunderbird interacts badly with task switching, e.g., it
> can’t be Alt+Tab’ed to.
>
> I’m not really asking for help with these issues, since I haven’t
> even bothered to document them. However, I’m happy to help
> reproduce, debug, or test if somebody does work on them.
>
> – Ben
>
> On 12/14/21 13:14, Peter Robinson wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  >> I'm working very often with my Pinebook Pro. Due the work I've a
> few question:
>  >>
>  >> - USB-C port on the left, display output for external monitor
> didn't work
>  >> Is there a need to update firmware to flash ? Size of files are
> changed
>  > It's not related to the firmware, it's not supported in the upstream
>  > kernel. It comes down to how the HW implements the various "Alt"
>  > options for USB-C and there needs to be work done on the rockchip
>  > "USB-C multiplexer" driver that switches the functionality. When it
>  > lands upstream it'll just work but I'm not aware of anyone actually
>  > doing to work to get that upstream. There's been a bunch of hacks but
>  > nothing that's maintainable upstream.
>  >
>  >> - Wayland
>  >>
>  >> Content of window ist missing, windows has to resize to show
> content, older X11 works fine.
>  > What desktop or compositor? Need more details.
>  >
>  >> - internal Speaker didn't work, not important for me as I'm
> using a Bluetooth speaker
>  > There's work needed on the Alsa UCM2 profiles here, there has been
>  > some upstream work that has landed in Fedora but it didn't work
> for me
>  > either, I've not had time to further investigate/debug this and the
>  > documentation on how the alsa UCM profile stuff works is poor to say
>  > the least and I'm not had time to dig deeper. Assistance is welcome
>  > here.
>  >
>  >> All tested with up2date Fedora 35
>  >>
>  >> Greetings
>  >>
>  >> Andreas
>  >>
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[Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski]

On Tuesday, 14 December 2021 at 19:14, Peter Robinson wrote:
> Hi,
> > I'm working very often with my Pinebook Pro. Due the work I've a few question:

[...]
> > internal Speaker didn't work, not important for me as I'm using a
> >
> > Bluetooth speaker
>
> There's work needed on the Alsa UCM2 profiles here, there has been
> some upstream work that has landed in Fedora but it didn't work for me
> either, I've not had time to further investigate/debug this and the
> documentation on how the alsa UCM profile stuff works is poor to say
> the least and I'm not had time to dig deeper. Assistance is welcome
> here.

Internal speakers work just fine after enabling some specific option(s)
in alsamixer. I don't have the machine up and running at the moment, so
I can't say exactly, which one.
> > All tested with up2date Fedora 35

Same here.

Regards,
Dominik

[Andreas Reschke]

Am 14.12.21 um 19:14 schrieb Peter Robinson:
> Hi,
> > I'm working very often with my Pinebook Pro. Due the work I've a few question:
> > USB-C port on the left, display output for external monitor didn't work
> >
> > Is there a need to update firmware to flash ? Size of files are changed
>
> It's not related to the firmware, it's not supported in the upstream
> kernel. It comes down to how the HW implements the various "Alt"
> options for USB-C and there needs to be work done on the rockchip
> "USB-C multiplexer" driver that switches the functionality. When it
> lands upstream it'll just work but I'm not aware of anyone actually
> doing to work to get that upstream. There's been a bunch of hacks but
> nothing that's maintainable upstream.
> > Wayland
> >
> > Content of window ist missing, windows has to resize to show content, older X11 works fine.
>
> What desktop or compositor? Need more details.
> > internal Speaker didn't work, not important for me as I'm using a Bluetooth speaker
>
> There's work needed on the Alsa UCM2 profiles here, there has been
> some upstream work that has landed in Fedora but it didn't work for me
> either, I've not had time to further investigate/debug this and the
> documentation on how the alsa UCM profile stuff works is poor to say
> the least and I'm not had time to dig deeper. Assistance is welcome
> here.
> > All tested with up2date Fedora 35
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Andreas
> >
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Thank you Peter for the explanation regarding USB-C.

Regarding Probs with Wayland:  I'm using KDE on my Pinebook Pro. With 
Wayland only the border of Firefox , Thunderbird and other non KDE 
Software appears. I have to downsize / upsize the window often to get 
normal behavior. KDE Software seems to work fine.

Hope this helps.

Andreas

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:17 PM Andreas Reschke  wrote:
> Am 14.12.21 um 19:14 schrieb Peter Robinson:
> > Hi,
> > > I'm working very often with my Pinebook Pro. Due the work I've a few question:
> > > USB-C port on the left, display output for external monitor didn't work
> > >
> > > Is there a need to update firmware to flash ? Size of files are changed
> >
> > It's not related to the firmware, it's not supported in the upstream
> > kernel. It comes down to how the HW implements the various "Alt"
> > options for USB-C and there needs to be work done on the rockchip
> > "USB-C multiplexer" driver that switches the functionality. When it
> > lands upstream it'll just work but I'm not aware of anyone actually
> > doing to work to get that upstream. There's been a bunch of hacks but
> > nothing that's maintainable upstream.
> > > Wayland
> > >
> > > Content of window ist missing, windows has to resize to show content, older X11 works fine.
> >
> > What desktop or compositor? Need more details.
> > > internal Speaker didn't work, not important for me as I'm using a Bluetooth speaker
> >
> > There's work needed on the Alsa UCM2 profiles here, there has been
> > some upstream work that has landed in Fedora but it didn't work for me
> > either, I've not had time to further investigate/debug this and the
> > documentation on how the alsa UCM profile stuff works is poor to say
> > the least and I'm not had time to dig deeper. Assistance is welcome
> > here.
> > > All tested with up2date Fedora 35
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Andreas
> > >
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>
> Thank you Peter for the explanation regarding USB-C.
>
> Regarding Probs with Wayland:  I'm using KDE on my Pinebook Pro. With
> Wayland only the border of Firefox , Thunderbird and other non KDE
> Software appears. I have to downsize / upsize the window often to get
> normal behavior. KDE Software seems to work fine.

Are you using the X11 or Wayland variant of firefox (rpm -qa
firefox*) and maybe install both and try them to see if there's one
that's better than the other and report a bug against it.

P