Acording to the documentation on raspberrypi.org, it would seem that Raspberry Pi are dropping Ubuntu in favour of Fedora because Ubuntu is dropping support for ARMv5/ARMv6 (yay!).
Also, according to the Raspberry Pi wiki, they expect that Eclipse will work. That doesn't appear to be the case at the moment. Has anybody managed to get Eclipse to build on ARM recently? Or has Eclipse ARM port been given up on?
Gordan
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Gordan Bobic gordan@bobich.net wrote:
Acording to the documentation on raspberrypi.org, it would seem that Raspberry Pi are dropping Ubuntu in favour of Fedora because Ubuntu is dropping support for ARMv5/ARMv6 (yay!).
Also, according to the Raspberry Pi wiki, they expect that Eclipse will work. That doesn't appear to be the case at the moment. Has anybody managed to get Eclipse to build on ARM recently? Or has Eclipse ARM port been given up on?
Eclipse requires Java. Java will be supported on F15+ without issue, if someone was interested in doing the work for F-14 it would be supported there as well.
Peter
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 12:18 +0000, Gordan Bobic wrote:
Acording to the documentation on raspberrypi.org, it would seem that Raspberry Pi are dropping Ubuntu in favour of Fedora because Ubuntu is dropping support for ARMv5/ARMv6 (yay!).
Also, according to the Raspberry Pi wiki, they expect that Eclipse will work. That doesn't appear to be the case at the moment. Has anybody managed to get Eclipse to build on ARM recently? Or has Eclipse ARM port been given up on?
We're working on the Raspberry Pi remix here (it has to be a remix rather than a spin for now). As I've written on the Raspi forums, anyone expecting to use Eclipse on a Pi is probably dreaming -- there's just not enough RAM. The model "B" device has 256M, but the GPU will normally be allocated 64M, leaving 192M for apps. You can boot in as little as 11M, but after X and a DE, it doesn't look like there will be enough RAM to use Eclipse without thrashing. (And frankly, until we get X connected up to the GPU, it will be too painful.)
gedit with plugins is probably a more appropriate choice :-)
-Chris
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:06:10 -0500, Chris Tyler chris@tylers.info wrote:
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 12:18 +0000, Gordan Bobic wrote:
Acording to the documentation on raspberrypi.org, it would seem that Raspberry Pi are dropping Ubuntu in favour of Fedora because Ubuntu is dropping support for ARMv5/ARMv6 (yay!).
Also, according to the Raspberry Pi wiki, they expect that Eclipse will work. That doesn't appear to be the case at the moment. Has anybody managed to get Eclipse to build on ARM recently? Or has Eclipse ARM port been given up on?
We're working on the Raspberry Pi remix here (it has to be a remix rather than a spin for now).
Why not the standard release? What's wrong with the vanilla version?
As I've written on the Raspi forums, anyone expecting to use Eclipse on a Pi is probably dreaming -- there's just not enough RAM. The model "B" device has 256M, but the GPU will normally be allocated 64M, leaving 192M for apps. You can boot in as little as 11M, but after X and a DE, it doesn't look like there will be enough RAM to use Eclipse without thrashing. (And frankly, until we get X connected up to the GPU, it will be too painful.)
gedit with plugins is probably a more appropriate choice :-)
I am in no way disagreeing. If you see my posts on the R-Pi forum, you'll see that my impression is that R-Pi has too little memory to be useful for most things, let along desktop use.
I have another reason for looking at getting Eclipse working since I am porting RHEL6 to ARM, and Eclipse is one of the last packages that I haven't been able to get to build.
Gordan
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 16:29 +0000, Gordan Bobic wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:06:10 -0500, Chris Tyler chris@tylers.info wrote:
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 12:18 +0000, Gordan Bobic wrote:
Acording to the documentation on raspberrypi.org, it would seem that Raspberry Pi are dropping Ubuntu in favour of Fedora because Ubuntu is dropping support for ARMv5/ARMv6 (yay!).
Also, according to the Raspberry Pi wiki, they expect that Eclipse will work. That doesn't appear to be the case at the moment. Has anybody managed to get Eclipse to build on ARM recently? Or has Eclipse ARM port been given up on?
We're working on the Raspberry Pi remix here (it has to be a remix rather than a spin for now).
Why not the standard release? What's wrong with the vanilla version?
There are a couple of proprietary pieces that are needed to lob stuff over the wall to the GPU. It's hoped that everything on the ARM side will be completely open-sourced in due course, but that won't happen before the release of the first batch.
-Chris
On 11/28/2011 04:06 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:
We're working on the Raspberry Pi remix here (it has to be a remix rather than a spin for now). As I've written on the Raspi forums, anyone expecting to use Eclipse on a Pi is probably dreaming -- there's just not enough RAM. The model "B" device has 256M, but the GPU will normally be allocated 64M, leaving 192M for apps. You can boot in as little as 11M, but after X and a DE, it doesn't look like there will be enough RAM to use Eclipse without thrashing.
I've been playing with it, and Eclipse works well from remote X (see attached), but not when run on the local display. Eclipse debugging seems to want about 135M, so it doesn't fit nicely with X.
Is there an F17 remix on the horizon?
Andrew.
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 17:56 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 11/28/2011 04:06 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:
We're working on the Raspberry Pi remix here (it has to be a remix rather than a spin for now). As I've written on the Raspi forums, anyone expecting to use Eclipse on a Pi is probably dreaming -- there's just not enough RAM. The model "B" device has 256M, but the GPU will normally be allocated 64M, leaving 192M for apps. You can boot in as little as 11M, but after X and a DE, it doesn't look like there will be enough RAM to use Eclipse without thrashing.
I've been playing with it, and Eclipse works well from remote X (see attached), but not when run on the local display. Eclipse debugging seems to want about 135M, so it doesn't fit nicely with X.
That's good to hear. Sounds like you need double Pi ... one for Eclipse and one for the X server :-)
Is there an F17 remix on the horizon?
Yes -- a group of students here have been hacking away on various pieces over the last semester. I'm moving their stuff to my research group for long-term maintenance and we'll push as much of it as appropriate into Fedora proper -- there will still be a very few bits with ugly license issues or where we need to build or optimize differently and haven't yet reconciled with the main Fedora package, but these are rare and should diminish over time.
-Chris
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Chris Tyler chris@tylers.info wrote:
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 17:56 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 11/28/2011 04:06 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:
We're working on the Raspberry Pi remix here (it has to be a remix rather than a spin for now). As I've written on the Raspi forums, anyone expecting to use Eclipse on a Pi is probably dreaming -- there's just not enough RAM. The model "B" device has 256M, but the GPU will normally be allocated 64M, leaving 192M for apps. You can boot in as little as 11M, but after X and a DE, it doesn't look like there will be enough RAM to use Eclipse without thrashing.
I've been playing with it, and Eclipse works well from remote X (see attached), but not when run on the local display. Eclipse debugging seems to want about 135M, so it doesn't fit nicely with X.
That's good to hear. Sounds like you need double Pi ... one for Eclipse and one for the X server :-)
Is there an F17 remix on the horizon?
Yes -- a group of students here have been hacking away on various pieces over the last semester. I'm moving their stuff to my research group for long-term maintenance and we'll push as much of it as appropriate into Fedora proper -- there will still be a very few bits with ugly license issues or where we need to build or optimize differently and haven't yet reconciled with the main Fedora package, but these are rare and should diminish over time.
Out of interest is there a wiki page with the details of the forked packages and what the changes are as well as a repo for the packages?
Peter
On 04/18/2012 05:29 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:
Is there an F17 remix on the horizon?
Yes -- a group of students here have been hacking away on various pieces over the last semester. I'm moving their stuff to my research group for long-term maintenance and we'll push as much of it as appropriate into Fedora proper -- there will still be a very few bits with ugly license issues or where we need to build or optimize differently and haven't yet reconciled with the main Fedora package, but these are rare and should diminish over time.
Very good. I'm interested in playing with OpenJDK on F17 if there's a filesystem image you can let me have.
Andrew.
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