Arndale Octa

[Richard W.M. Jones]

http://www.pyrustek.com/
$179 ex tax at the moment

Exynos 5420-based, ie. 8 core big.LITTLE.

What do people think about this one?

(Note I'm only interested in this for KVM development.)

Rich.

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[Jon]

Looks like a nice board.

The only disappointment is the console connectivity.
The board exposes a serial header, would have to wire-up connectivity yourself.
(DB9 connector would be nice)

The site mentioned code available from a "git-server".
Would be nice to see if they have kernel support, etc.
(Mostly we want a DTB for this specific board.)

The price is great, very affordable.
Go for it.

-Jon Disnard


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Richard W.M. Jones <rjones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  http://www.pyrustek.com/
>  $179 ex tax at the moment
>
>  Exynos 5420-based, ie. 8 core big.LITTLE.
>
>  What do people think about this one?
>
>  (Note I'm only interested in this for KVM development.)
>
>  Rich.
>
>  --
>  Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones
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-Jon

[Connie Sieh]

On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

>  http://www.pyrustek.com/
>  $179 ex tax at the moment
>
>  Exynos 5420-based, ie. 8 core big.LITTLE.
>
>  What do people think about this one?
>
>  (Note I'm only interested in this for KVM development.)
>
>  Rich.
>
>  -- 
>  Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones
>  Read my programming blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com
>  Fedora now supports 80 OCaml packages (the OPEN alternative to F#)
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There is also the odroid-xu at http://www.hardkernel.com/  for 169.00 .

-Connie Sieh

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 01:26:10PM -0500, Connie Sieh wrote:
>  There is also the odroid-xu at http://www.hardkernel.com/  for 169.00
> . 
Yup, got that.  Something of a pain so far.

Rich.

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[Richard W.M. Jones]

Unfortunately they only support wire transfers which are like £10 from
the UK and a giant PITA.  Come on guys, Paypal ...

Rich.

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[Connie Sieh]

On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

>  Unfortunately they only support wire transfers which are like £10
> from
>  the UK and a giant PITA.  Come on guys, Paypal ...
>
>  Rich.
>
>  -- 
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>  build Windows installers. Over 100 libraries supported.
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Does the product work?

-Connie Sieh

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 01:44:25PM -0500, Connie Sieh wrote:
>  Does the [ODROID-XU] product work? 
Yes and no.

Yes I've got it to work and I'm now using it for some light compiling.

However there are some major shortcomings from my point of view
(as someone looking specifically for a KVM / hardware virt development
platform):

 - No serial, impossible to see any boot messages.

 - Display did not work at all until I spend nearly £200 buying a new
   HDMI monitor and the weird uncommon micro-HDMI cable that the
   ODROID-XU uses.  Now it works after X starts, but not before.
   Still no boot messages.

 - Despite a lot of trying, I could not work out how to recreate the
   boot process from their wiki, so I'm using the ODROID-supplied F19
   disk image.

 - Can only use the Android 3.4 kernel.  Possibly an upstream kernel
   would work, but because I can't see any boot messages, I'm afraid
   to try because it would effectively brick it.

3.4 kernel doesn't support any KVM stuff, so it's useless for the
intended purpose.  We need to be running our own self-compiled
upstream kernels for serious development.

For some background on this, here's what I am looking for:

http://www.spinics.net/linux/fedora/fedora-arm/msg06946.html

Rich.

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[Sid Boyce]

The ODROID-XU is from the same stable as the earlier ODROID-X I use.

The main problem is with MAX98090 support where hardkernel have done 
their own thing which produces a driver that's way off what is possible 
with upstream kernel support and in an application like quisk for 
Software Defined Radio it's unusable and I have to use a USB sound card 
instead.

I have asked if their goad is eventually to merge with the upstream 
kernel and have been told never.
Their kernel support is not the best either, seems like it is a one man job.

The latest kernel I built and have running is 3.8.13.10 with Mali 400 
GPU support and 3.8.13.11 awaiting a reboot.
root@odroid:~# uname -r
3.8.13.10
root@odroid:~# cat /etc/os-release
NAME="Ubuntu"
VERSION="13.04, Raring Ringtail"
ID=ubuntu
ID_LIKE=debian
PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 13.04"
VERSION_ID="13.04"
HOME_URL="http://www.ubuntu.com/"
SUPPORT_URL="http://help.ubuntu.com/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/"

As for the platform itself, I natively build kernels and everything else 
including Qt-5.1.1 as it has enough power to not need cross-compiling 
anything.

The Wandboard (wandboard.org) looks a better proposition.
Regards
Sid.

On 29/10/13 18:59, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>  On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 01:44:25PM -0500, Connie Sieh wrote:
> > Does the [ODROID-XU] product work?
>  Yes and no.
>
>  Yes I've got it to work and I'm now using it for some light compiling.
>
>  However there are some major shortcomings from my point of view
>  (as someone looking specifically for a KVM / hardware virt development
>  platform):
>
>    - No serial, impossible to see any boot messages.
>
>    - Display did not work at all until I spend nearly £200 buying a new
>      HDMI monitor and the weird uncommon micro-HDMI cable that the
>      ODROID-XU uses.  Now it works after X starts, but not before.
>      Still no boot messages.
>
>    - Despite a lot of trying, I could not work out how to recreate the
>      boot process from their wiki, so I'm using the ODROID-supplied F19
>      disk image.
>
>    - Can only use the Android 3.4 kernel.  Possibly an upstream kernel
>      would work, but because I can't see any boot messages, I'm afraid
>      to try because it would effectively brick it.
>
>  3.4 kernel doesn't support any KVM stuff, so it's useless for the
>  intended purpose.  We need to be running our own self-compiled
>  upstream kernels for serious development.
>
>  For some background on this, here's what I am looking for:
>
>  http://www.spinics.net/linux/fedora/fedora-arm/msg06946.html
>
>  Rich.
>  

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[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 09:04:17PM +0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
>  The latest kernel I built and have running is 3.8.13.10 with Mali
>  400 GPU support and 3.8.13.11 awaiting a reboot. 
[...]
>  As for the platform itself, I natively build kernels and everything
>  else including Qt-5.1.1 as it has enough power to not need
>  cross-compiling anything. 
How do you compile these kernels?  I mean to say, do you just compile
the upstream 3.8.* stable kernels, or do you need to add patches, and
if so what patches and from where?

Rich.

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[Sid Boyce]

On 29/10/13 21:40, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>  On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 09:04:17PM +0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
> > The latest kernel I built and have running is 3.8.13.10 with Mali
> > 400 GPU support and 3.8.13.11 awaiting a reboot.
>  [...]
> > As for the platform itself, I natively build kernels and everything
> > else including Qt-5.1.1 as it has enough power to not need
> > cross-compiling anything.
>  How do you compile these kernels?  I mean to say, do you just compile
>  the upstream 3.8.* stable kernels, or do you need to add patches, and
>  if so what patches and from where?
>
>  Rich.
>  
I had problems after installing the HDMI image from 
http://www.odroid.in/mirror/old-releases/ODROID-X/fedora-18-3.6.8/ which 
date back to 2012. It's possible the later images for -XU will run on -XU.

This is under Ubuntu which would differ greatly from Fedora.
Rather lengthy but quite straightforward.
"git clone git://github.com/hardkernel/linux.git -b odroid-3.8.y" which 
creates a linux directory.
Checking  linux/Makefile
VERSION = 3
PATCHLEVEL = 8
SUBLEVEL = 13
EXTRAVERSION = .11
NAME = Remoralised Urchins Update

Then these commands:-
mv linux linux-3.8.13.11
cd linux-3.8.13.11
zcat /proc/config.gz > .config
make oldconfig
make-kpkg -j 4 --initrd linux_headers linux_image

which results in 2 .deb files
dkpg -i ../linux-headers-3.8.13.11_3.8.13.11-10.00.Custom_armhf.deb 
../linux-image-3.8.13.11_3.8.13.11-10.00.Custom_armhf.deb

Regards
Sid.

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[Sean Omalley]

Richard,
If you are looking for =cheap= virtualization support. It appears to be coming...
(no I don't expect you to make a board from the IC just pointing out there should be
cheap solutions fairly soon.) 


http://www.electronicproducts.com/Digital_ICs/Microprocessors_Microcontro...

The IC has a DDR3L/DDR4 
memory interface, a SATA3 6 Gbit/s interface, three triple speed 
Ethernet controllers, USB 3.0 with integrated PHY, PWM generation, and 
an LCD controller with touch support. It comes in a 19 x 19 mm package 
and LS1020A and LS1022A versions are also available. From $12.50 
ea/10,000, samples Q1 2014.




On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 7:37 PM, Sid Boyce <sboyce(a)blueyonder.co.uk&gt; wrote:
 
On 29/10/13 21:40, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 09:04:17PM +0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
> >> The latest kernel I built and have running is 3.8.13.10 with Mali
> >> 400 GPU support and 3.8.13.11 awaiting a reboot.
> > [...]
> >> As for the platform itself, I natively build kernels and everything
> >> else including Qt-5.1.1 as it has enough power to not need
> >> cross-compiling anything.
> > How do you compile these kernels?  I mean to say, do you just compile
> > the upstream 3.8.* stable kernels, or do you need to add patches, and
> > if so what patches and from where?
> >
> > Rich.
> >
> I had problems after installing the HDMI image from 
> http://www.odroid.in/mirror/old-releases/ODROID-X/fedora-18-3.6.8/ which 
> date back to 2012. It's possible the later images for -XU will run on -XU.
>
> This is under Ubuntu which would differ greatly from Fedora.
> Rather lengthy but quite straightforward.
> "git clone git://github.com/hardkernel/linux.git -b odroid-3.8.y" which 
> creates a linux directory.
> Checking  linux/Makefile
> VERSION = 3
> PATCHLEVEL = 8
> SUBLEVEL = 13
> EXTRAVERSION = .11
> NAME = Remoralised Urchins Update
>
> Then these commands:-
> mv linux linux-3.8.13.11
> cd linux-3.8.13.11
> zcat /proc/config.gz > .config
> make oldconfig
> make-kpkg -j 4 --initrd linux_headers linux_image
>
> which results in 2 .deb files
> dkpg -i ../linux-headers-3.8.13.11_3.8.13.11-10.00.Custom_armhf.deb 
> ../linux-image-3.8.13.11_3.8.13.11-10.00.Custom_armhf.deb
>
> Regards
> Sid.
>
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