Hi people, before all sorry for my bad english, I am latinoamerican Ambassador, especifically in Venezuelan, I have a smartphone Huawei, Model UM840. Actually is smartphone leader in Movilnet Carrier.
My idea is: Run Fedora in um840 to promote Fedora in my country.
um840 use a ARM11 Family processor, Qualcomm 7200A at 528Mhz with 198mb RAM.
The phone have Android OS (2.1).
if Android is based in Linux Kernel, then I think in port Fedora Linux to phone.
but I have two problems.
1) I don't know a bootloader to dual boot (Android + Fedora) 2) I don't know How to port Fedora 12 Arm in readable binary image for smartphone.
Again, sorry for my bad english & thanks.
Regards.
Kellerman Rivero (kelito) Fedora Ambassador
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 16:31 -0430, Kellerman wrote:
Hi people, before all sorry for my bad english, I am latinoamerican Ambassador, especifically in Venezuelan, I have a smartphone Huawei, Model UM840. Actually is smartphone leader in Movilnet Carrier.
My idea is: Run Fedora in um840 to promote Fedora in my country.
um840 use a ARM11 Family processor, Qualcomm 7200A at 528Mhz with 198mb RAM.
The phone have Android OS (2.1).
if Android is based in Linux Kernel, then I think in port Fedora Linux to phone.
but I have two problems.
- I don't know a bootloader to dual boot (Android + Fedora)
- I don't know How to port Fedora 12 Arm in readable binary image for
smartphone.
Hi Kellerman,
Running a distribution on a phone can be a challenge because drivers for the phone component are generally not available. There are some devices which clearly separate the phone and non-phone sides, and it's easier to load your own software on that type of device.
Perhaps the Fedora Meego people would have some good suggestions?
-Chris
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Kellerman kelito@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi people, before all sorry for my bad english, I am latinoamerican Ambassador, especifically in Venezuelan, I have a smartphone Huawei, Model UM840. Actually is smartphone leader in Movilnet Carrier.
My idea is: Run Fedora in um840 to promote Fedora in my country.
um840 use a ARM11 Family processor, Qualcomm 7200A at 528Mhz with 198mb RAM.
The phone have Android OS (2.1).
if Android is based in Linux Kernel, then I think in port Fedora Linux to phone.
but I have two problems.
- I don't know a bootloader to dual boot (Android + Fedora)
- I don't know How to port Fedora 12 Arm in readable binary image for
smartphone.
Again, sorry for my bad english & thanks.
Regards.
Kellerman Rivero (kelito) Fedora Ambassador
I think will be probably more usefull showing fedora running in a
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I have a genesi smarttop/smartbook
my plugcomputer (sheevaplug) died after working for almost 3 years.
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2011/9/27 Itamar Reis Peixoto itamar@ispbrasil.com.br
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Kellerman kelito@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi people, before all sorry for my bad english, I am latinoamerican Ambassador, especifically in Venezuelan, I have a smartphone Huawei,
Model
UM840. Actually is smartphone leader in Movilnet Carrier.
My idea is: Run Fedora in um840 to promote Fedora in my country.
um840 use a ARM11 Family processor, Qualcomm 7200A at 528Mhz with 198mb
RAM.
The phone have Android OS (2.1).
if Android is based in Linux Kernel, then I think in port Fedora Linux to phone.
but I have two problems.
- I don't know a bootloader to dual boot (Android + Fedora)
- I don't know How to port Fedora 12 Arm in readable binary image for
smartphone.
Again, sorry for my bad english & thanks.
Regards.
Kellerman Rivero (kelito) Fedora Ambassador
I think will be probably more usefull showing fedora running in a
Itamar, I dont have that hardware. I am Ambassador, I think in promote use of Fedora. I think Fedora in Smartphone is a perfect marketing tool to motive people to use fedora in my country.
plugcomputer.org
genesi-usa.com pandaboard.org trimslice.com
I have a genesi smarttop/smartbook
my plugcomputer (sheevaplug) died after working for almost 3 years.
Itamar Reis Peixoto msn, google talk: itamar@ispbrasil.com.br +55 11 4063 5033 (FIXO SP) +55 34 9158 9329 (TIM) +55 34 8806 3989 (OI) +55 34 3221 8599 (FIXO MG)
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Chris Tyler chris@tylers.info wrote:
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 16:31 -0430, Kellerman wrote:
Hi people, before all sorry for my bad english, I am latinoamerican Ambassador, especifically in Venezuelan, I have a smartphone Huawei, Model UM840. Actually is smartphone leader in Movilnet Carrier.
My idea is: Run Fedora in um840 to promote Fedora in my country.
um840 use a ARM11 Family processor, Qualcomm 7200A at 528Mhz with 198mb RAM.
The phone have Android OS (2.1).
if Android is based in Linux Kernel, then I think in port Fedora Linux to phone.
but I have two problems.
- I don't know a bootloader to dual boot (Android + Fedora)
- I don't know How to port Fedora 12 Arm in readable binary image for
smartphone.
Hi Kellerman,
Running a distribution on a phone can be a challenge because drivers for the phone component are generally not available. There are some devices which clearly separate the phone and non-phone sides, and it's easier to load your own software on that type of device.
Perhaps the Fedora Meego people would have some good suggestions?
Not really, MeeGo in Fedora is only aimed at netboos and there's a LOT of dependencies to get a complaint Fedora system that can handle the basic things people expect of a phone. As such its not a aim of Fedora Mobility and the MeeGo components of it.
You might want to look at MeeGo on that side of things.
That said you should be able to run Fedora on it (maybe dual boot from a SD card) if Huawei is meeting their GPL responsibility and has released the kernel source code. Not sure what you'll be able to do with it though.
Peter
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Kellerman kelito@fedoraproject.org wrote:
2011/9/27 Itamar Reis Peixoto itamar@ispbrasil.com.br
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Kellerman kelito@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi people, before all sorry for my bad english, I am latinoamerican Ambassador, especifically in Venezuelan, I have a smartphone Huawei, Model UM840. Actually is smartphone leader in Movilnet Carrier.
My idea is: Run Fedora in um840 to promote Fedora in my country.
um840 use a ARM11 Family processor, Qualcomm 7200A at 528Mhz with 198mb RAM.
The phone have Android OS (2.1).
if Android is based in Linux Kernel, then I think in port Fedora Linux to phone.
but I have two problems.
- I don't know a bootloader to dual boot (Android + Fedora)
- I don't know How to port Fedora 12 Arm in readable binary image for
smartphone.
Again, sorry for my bad english & thanks.
Regards.
Kellerman Rivero (kelito) Fedora Ambassador
I think will be probably more usefull showing fedora running in a
Itamar, I dont have that hardware. I am Ambassador, I think in promote use of Fedora. I think Fedora in Smartphone is a perfect marketing tool to motive people to use fedora in my country.
I don't disagree but the work to produce a working smart phone is not insignificant. Its not something we're currently aiming for. Tablets... well that's another thing. Its something that's actively being looked at from a number of perspectives.
Peter
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 15:01, Kellerman kelito@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi people, before all sorry for my bad english, I am latinoamerican Ambassador, especifically in Venezuelan, I have a smartphone Huawei, Model UM840. Actually is smartphone leader in Movilnet Carrier.
My idea is: Run Fedora in um840 to promote Fedora in my country.
um840 use a ARM11 Family processor, Qualcomm 7200A at 528Mhz with 198mb RAM.
The phone have Android OS (2.1).
if Android is based in Linux Kernel, then I think in port Fedora Linux to phone.
but I have two problems.
- I don't know a bootloader to dual boot (Android + Fedora)
- I don't know How to port Fedora 12 Arm in readable binary image for
smartphone.
I am not sure you will be able to dual boot android and fedora. Phones boot up in completely different way than IBM systems. Depending on the phone, the parts are hardwired in such a way to boot specifically to spot X which then must do a specific thing or the phone reboots itself or shuts down. This makes it so you can only have one image on a phone.
The second thing is that a phone is not a PC. This means that the various busses (PCI, etc) may exist only in some sort of emulated form IF the right kernel is booted. Basically I don't think it would be an easy push to get Fedora to work on the phone and there would be a very good chance we would permanently brick the phone in trying to do so.
Again, sorry for my bad english & thanks.
Your english is quite good. My apologies that I can not converse in Espanol.
Regards.
Kellerman Rivero (kelito) Fedora Ambassador
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2011/9/27 Stephen John Smoogen smooge@gmail.com
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 15:01, Kellerman kelito@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi people, before all sorry for my bad english, I am latinoamerican Ambassador, especifically in Venezuelan, I have a smartphone Huawei,
Model
UM840. Actually is smartphone leader in Movilnet Carrier.
My idea is: Run Fedora in um840 to promote Fedora in my country.
um840 use a ARM11 Family processor, Qualcomm 7200A at 528Mhz with 198mb
RAM.
The phone have Android OS (2.1).
if Android is based in Linux Kernel, then I think in port Fedora Linux to phone.
but I have two problems.
- I don't know a bootloader to dual boot (Android + Fedora)
- I don't know How to port Fedora 12 Arm in readable binary image for
smartphone.
I am not sure you will be able to dual boot android and fedora. Phones boot up in completely different way than IBM systems. Depending on the phone, the parts are hardwired in such a way to boot specifically to spot X which then must do a specific thing or the phone reboots itself or shuts down. This makes it so you can only have one image on a phone.
Stephen, that you say its true. The really is the phone is not IBM Based
but I had HTC Touch Pro II with same processor of Huawei um840 (msm7200A) and ubuntu running in it. Of course, its true the Touch Pro II run Windows Phone OS but with haret bootloader is possible running linux on that embedded processor.
I have some question, Fedora have capabilties to run in embbed devices? I remember Fedora running in Nokia N900, this had a OMAP microprocessor, but core of processor is ARM Cortex.
The second thing is that a phone is not a PC. This means that the various busses (PCI, etc) may exist only in some sort of emulated form IF the right kernel is booted. Basically I don't think it would be an easy push to get Fedora to work on the phone and there would be a very good chance we would permanently brick the phone in trying to do so.
The Linux Kernel is very adaptive, that means what Linux is portable, it can be run in diversity of devices. A IBM PC Compatible is only a little part where Linux runs. I see running Linux in Home Routers Cisco, with minimal hardware components such a Wireless Microprocessor.
Example: Atheros Wireless Integrated Chips.
Again, sorry for my bad english & thanks.
Your english is quite good. My apologies that I can not converse in Espanol.
Regards.
Kellerman Rivero (kelito) Fedora Ambassador
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-- Stephen J Smoogen. "The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance." Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University. "Let us be kind, one to another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle." -- Ian MacLaren
To ending, I say one thing:
In my country (Venezuela), the tablet devices are not popular as many as smartphone such as Blackberry, Samsung, etc. In consecuence, I Believe in power of fedora to gain hearts of people when running it on a smartphone.
Kellerman Rivero Fedora Ambassador
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:12:55 +0200, Chris Tyler wrote:
Running a distribution on a phone can be a challenge because drivers for the phone component are generally not available.
f13beta3 was running in chroot OK on N900 with Linux version 2.6.28.10-power48 but f14 in chroot aborts with "FATAL: kernel too old".
I guess it is just due to glibc --enable-kernel being too high. Maybe the Fedora arm port could use lower --enable-kernel? But I have not tried to rebuild glibc to test it.
Regards, Jan
On 28 Sep 2011 04:52, "Jan Kratochvil" jan.kratochvil@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:12:55 +0200, Chris Tyler wrote:
Running a distribution on a phone can be a challenge because drivers for the phone component are generally not available.
f13beta3 was running in chroot OK on N900 with Linux version
2.6.28.10-power48
but f14 in chroot aborts with "FATAL: kernel too old".
I guess it is just due to glibc --enable-kernel being too high. Maybe the Fedora arm port could use lower --enable-kernel? But I have not tried to rebuild glibc to test it.
No, you just need a kernel >= 2.6.32. Its an ancient kernel used on recent enterprise distros and android 2.3.x so its not a massive inconvience
Peter
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