PROPOSAL: Weekly conference on Thursdays (3pm UTC)

[Jon Masters]

Folks,

It is clear that we need to increase our co-ordination and communication
within this group. Therefore, I propose a weekly conference call/IRC to
take place at 10am Eastern on Thursdays (3pm UTC), moving with DST. I
will run this call, in collaboration with Jared Smith, and Chris Tyler.

Please let me know if this does not work. If it does, let's begin this
Thursday. The session will take up to 1 hour, and will use a combination
of IRC and a phone bridge (we are all fluent English speakers AFAIK).

Conference code: 617-759-1337 (no passcode required)

Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): [phone]
International Dial-In Number: [phone]

Global Access Numbers Tollfree:
Argentina Dial-In #: 8004441016
Australia Dial-In #: 1800337169
Austria Dial-In #: 0800005898
Bahamas Dial-In #: 18002054776
Bahrain Dial-In #: 80004377
Belgium Dial-In #: 080048325
Brazil Dial-In #: 08008921002
Bulgaria Dial-In #: 008001100236
Chile Dial-In #: 800370228
Colombia Dial-In #: 018009134033
Costa Rica Dial-In #: 08000131048
Cyprus Dial-In #: 80095297
Czech Republic Dial-In #: 800 701 035
Denmark Dial-In #: 80887114
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Estonia Dial-In #: 8000100232
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Germany Dial-In #: 08006647541
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Hungary Dial-In #: 0680016796
Iceland Dial-In #: 8008967
India Dial-In #: 0008006501533
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Israel Dial-In #: 1809462557
Italy Dial-In #: 800985897
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Japan Dial-In #: 0120934453
Korea (South) Dial-In #: 007986517393
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Malaysia Dial-In #: 1800814451
Mexico Dial-In #: 0018664590915
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Panama Dial-In #: 008002269184
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Poland Dial-In #: 008001210187
Portugal Dial-In #: 800814625
Russian Federation Dial-In #: 81080028341012
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Singapore Dial-In #: 8006162235
Slovak Republic Dial-In #: 0800001441
South Africa Dial-In #: 0800981148
Spain Dial-In #: 800300524
Sweden Dial-In #: 200896860
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Taiwan Dial-In #: 00801127141
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United Kingdom Dial-In #: 08006948057
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Uruguay Dial-In #: 00040190315
Venezuela Dial-In #: 08001627182

Jon.

Meeting tomorrow at 3pm UTC (10am EST)

[Jon Masters]

Hello,

I would like to remind everyone about this meeting scheduled for
tomorrow. Unfortunately, Chris cannot make this time slot so we will
look to change it in future meetings if needed, but let's have a meeting
tomorrow just to get some movement before the end of the week.

There is some interest in using the standard Fedora meeting process, but
for this week please do also dial into the call if you are able to. We
can assess whether a pure IRC approach is preferred in general.

Topics for discussion:

0). Package build status (Jon? Jared?)
	- How many packages are now build in Koji, which have failed.
	  how close are we to having the minimal install set?
1). Packages that require attention
	- We discussed gcc/glibc a bit so far
	- Also other packages, make sure everyone knows what's needed.
	- Timeline for being able to get these fixed.
2). Acceptable criteria for Fedora 15
	- We need to get this release out asap to get to rawhide
	- What is the minimal set from item 1 above we can take?
3). Plan for getting started with Rawhide work
	- Peter to help lead this effort, update us on strategy.
	- Need to target end of January pre-branch.
	- Backup plan for if we miss the branch.
4). Build system improvements
	- Keep to specific short term recommendations
	- Dennis suggests moving the database
	- Red Hat happy to fund some short lifespan SD Cards to move
	  buildroots temporarily while waiting on new server hardware. 
5). Any other business.
	- Raspberry Pi update (perhaps next week from Chris)
	- OLPC update, other boards and systems
	- Planning for FUDCon in January (demo? hackathon?)

Please reply with additional agenda items. I would prefer to keep items
4 and 5 above to the end, focusing on Fedora 15 building and Rawhide.

Jon.

On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 15:27 -0500, Jon Masters wrote:

>  It is clear that we need to increase our co-ordination and
> communication
>  within this group. Therefore, I propose a weekly conference call/IRC to
>  take place at 10am Eastern on Thursdays (3pm UTC), moving with DST. I
>  will run this call, in collaboration with Jared Smith, and Chris Tyler.
>  
>  Please let me know if this does not work. If it does, let's begin this
>  Thursday. The session will take up to 1 hour, and will use a combination
>  of IRC and a phone bridge (we are all fluent English speakers AFAIK).
>  
>  Conference code: 617-759-1337 (no passcode required)
>  
>  Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): [phone]
>  International Dial-In Number: [phone]
>  
>  Global Access Numbers Tollfree:
>  Argentina Dial-In #: 8004441016
>  Australia Dial-In #: 1800337169
>  Austria Dial-In #: 0800005898
>  Bahamas Dial-In #: 18002054776
>  Bahrain Dial-In #: 80004377
>  Belgium Dial-In #: 080048325
>  Brazil Dial-In #: 08008921002
>  Bulgaria Dial-In #: 008001100236
>  Chile Dial-In #: 800370228
>  Colombia Dial-In #: 018009134033
>  Costa Rica Dial-In #: 08000131048
>  Cyprus Dial-In #: 80095297
>  Czech Republic Dial-In #: 800 701 035
>  Denmark Dial-In #: 80887114
>  Dominican Republic Dial-In #: 18887512313
>  Estonia Dial-In #: 8000100232
>  Finland Dial-In #: 0800117116
>  France Dial-In #: 0805632867
>  Germany Dial-In #: 08006647541
>  Greece Dial-In #: 00800127562
>  Hong Kong Dial-In #: 800930349
>  Hungary Dial-In #: 0680016796
>  Iceland Dial-In #: 8008967
>  India Dial-In #: 0008006501533
>  Indonesia Dial-In #: 0018030179162
>  Ireland Dial-In #: 1800932401
>  Israel Dial-In #: 1809462557
>  Italy Dial-In #: 800985897
>  Jamaica Dial-In #: 18002050328
>  Japan Dial-In #: 0120934453
>  Korea (South) Dial-In #: 007986517393
>  Latvia Dial-In #: 80003339
>  Lithuania Dial-In #: 880030479
>  Luxembourg Dial-In #: 80026595
>  Malaysia Dial-In #: 1800814451
>  Mexico Dial-In #: 0018664590915
>  New Zealand Dial-In #: 0800888167
>  Norway Dial-In #: 80012994
>  Panama Dial-In #: 008002269184
>  Philippines Dial-In #: 180011100991
>  Poland Dial-In #: 008001210187
>  Portugal Dial-In #: 800814625
>  Russian Federation Dial-In #: 81080028341012
>  Saint Kitts and Nevis Dial-In #: 18002059252
>  Singapore Dial-In #: 8006162235
>  Slovak Republic Dial-In #: 0800001441
>  South Africa Dial-In #: 0800981148
>  Spain Dial-In #: 800300524
>  Sweden Dial-In #: 200896860
>  Switzerland Dial-In #: 800650077
>  Taiwan Dial-In #: 00801127141
>  Thailand Dial-In #: 001800656966
>  Trinidad and Tobago Dial-In #: 18002024615
>  United Arab Emirates Dial-In #: 8000650591
>  United Kingdom Dial-In #: 08006948057
>  United States Dial-In #: 8004518679
>  Uruguay Dial-In #: 00040190315
>  Venezuela Dial-In #: 08001627182

Meeting tomorrow at 3pm UTC (10am EST)

[Chris Tyler]

On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 13:25 -0500, Jon Masters wrote:
>  Hello,
>  
>  I would like to remind everyone about this meeting scheduled for
>  tomorrow. Unfortunately, Chris cannot make this time slot so we will
>  look to change it in future meetings if needed, but let's have a meeting
>  tomorrow just to get some movement before the end of the week. 
Actually, I'm going to skip my other meeting :-)

>  0). Package build status (Jon? Jared?)
>  	- How many packages are now build in Koji, which have failed.
>  	  how close are we to having the minimal install set?
>  1). Packages that require attention
>  	- We discussed gcc/glibc a bit so far
>  	- Also other packages, make sure everyone knows what's needed.
>  	- Timeline for being able to get these fixed.
>  2). Acceptable criteria for Fedora 15
>  	- We need to get this release out asap to get to rawhide
>  	- What is the minimal set from item 1 above we can take?
>  3). Plan for getting started with Rawhide work
>  	- Peter to help lead this effort, update us on strategy.
>  	- Need to target end of January pre-branch.
>  	- Backup plan for if we miss the branch.
>  4). Build system improvements
>  	- Keep to specific short term recommendations
>  	- Dennis suggests moving the database
>  	- Red Hat happy to fund some short lifespan SD Cards to move
>  	  buildroots temporarily while waiting on new server hardware.  
Brief pre-update on this...

Today:
- createrepo moved off HongKong to multiple x86 boxes
- postgresql moved to SSD on HongKong

New disks and SSDs are heading this way on Friday, so next week we'll be
spreading the load over more boxes and more spindles:

* HongKong
- koji hub + web
- no longer running the database and /mnt/koji NFS export

* Australia
- NFS export of scratch space for builders
- gains additional spindles

* Chile
- postgresql server (on SSD)

* Ireland
- /mnt/koji export (on SSD)
- createrepo

* England, NewZealand
- createrepo

This will involve some significant downtime next week (mail to follow
tomorrow afternoon).

>  5). Any other business.
>  	- Raspberry Pi update (perhaps next week from Chris)
>  	- OLPC update, other boards and systems
>  	- Planning for FUDCon in January (demo? hackathon?) 
+I'd like to talk about build-drive visibility.

--
Chris

Meeting tomorrow at 3pm UTC (10am EST)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Jon Masters <jcm(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  0). Package build status (Jon? Jared?)
>         - How many packages are now build in Koji, which have failed.
>           how close are we to having the minimal install set? 
We're fairly close to having the minimal install set done for F15 on
both v5 and v7hl.  I've knocked off all of the low hanging fruit for
the minimal install set (~198 packages), and am now working on the
low-hanging fruit of the "critical path" package set (~570 packages).

>  1). Packages that require attention
>         - We discussed gcc/glibc a bit so far
>         - Also other packages, make sure everyone knows what's needed.
>         - Timeline for being able to get these fixed. 
My list of problematic packages for the minimal installation set,
along a brief explanation of why they're failing:

coreutils
* Known problem -- pbrobinson emailed the list about it a few days
ago, with no response
findutils
* Known problem -- pbrobinson emailed the list about it a few days
ago, with no response
* May be related to
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnulib/2011-03/msg00308.html
gcc
* Who is building it, and what version?
gnupg2
* Build error: *** longjmp causes uninitialized stack frame ***:
../../agent/gpg-agent terminated
python
* Still building

There are still a long list of dependencies missing for "critical
path", but that's not as vital to move on to rawhide as the minimal
install set is.

--
Jared Smith
Fedora Project Leader