2:51 a.m.
I need to replace my Lenovo x120e duo core Fedora (F17 still) notebook
soon; I am getting USB errors...
So can I get a comparable arm notebook to get better battery etc and put
F19 on it? And will I get enough apps (I really only need fairly
'basic' 'office' apps) at this time. Oh and 'cheap' (< $400),
200+Gb,
and keyboard is manditory :)
I was pointed to the Asus TF700T, but it is only a 10" display.
My search fu is typically weak, and I have not found a list of systems
to evaluate that I could consider.
7:25 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com> wrote:
I need to replace my Lenovo x120e duo core Fedora (F17 still)
notebook soon;
I am getting USB errors...
So can I get a comparable arm notebook to get better battery etc and put F19
on it? And will I get enough apps (I really only need fairly 'basic'
'office' apps) at this time. Oh and 'cheap' (< $400), 200+Gb, and
keyboard
is manditory :)
I was pointed to the Asus TF700T, but it is only a 10" display.
My search fu is typically weak, and I have not found a list of systems to
evaluate that I could consider.
I personally don't think it's there yet. Probably the closest is the
ARM Chromebook but the desktop experience isn't great due to the lack
of half decent publicly available (open source or otherwise) graphics
drivers.
Peter
7:41 a.m.
2013/7/30 Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com>
I need to replace my Lenovo x120e duo core Fedora (F17 still)
notebook
soon; I am getting USB errors...
So can I get a comparable arm notebook to get better battery etc and put
F19 on it? And will I get enough apps (I really only need fairly 'basic'
'office' apps) at this time. Oh and 'cheap' (< $400), 200+Gb, and
keyboard
is manditory :)
I was pointed to the Asus TF700T, but it is only a 10" display.
My search fu is typically weak, and I have not found a list of systems to
evaluate that I could consider.
I Personally own a Toshiba AC100 which run fedora-19 armhfp with completely
opensource bootloader, kernel and 2D graphics.
This last is rather good supported for desktop usage.
Most of the work is upstream, only missing point is the panel activation
driver. I've also added and backported few patches:
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/kwizart/ac100/
This device isn't sold anymore, so you might find a second-hand. (If one is
mad enought to sell such amazing device).
The support for Asus TF700T could be close to the AC100 given that they are
both tegra based devices, But I doesn't know how close to upstream this
devices is.
Side Note: I someone want to send me such device, I could work on it ;)
Nicolas (kwizart)
7:50 a.m.
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:41:18 +0200, Nicolas Chauvet <kwizart(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
2013/7/30 Robert Moskowitz
I need to replace my Lenovo x120e duo core Fedora (F17 still)
notebook soon; I am getting USB errors...
So can I get a comparable arm notebook to get better battery etc and
put F19 on it? And will I get enough apps (I really only need fairly
'basic' 'office' apps) at this time. Oh and 'cheap' (<
$400),
200+Gb, and keyboard is manditory :)
I was pointed to the Asus TF700T, but it is only a 10" display.
My search fu is typically weak, and I have not found a list of
systems to evaluate that I could consider.
I Personally own a Toshiba AC100 which run fedora-19 armhfp with
completely opensource bootloader, kernel and 2D graphics.
This last is rather good supported for desktop usage.
Most of the work is upstream, only missing point is the panel
activation driver. I've also added and backported few patches:
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/kwizart/ac100/ [2]
This device isn't sold anymore, so you might find a second-hand. (If
one is mad enought to sell such amazing device).
The support for Asus TF700T could be close to the AC100 given that
they are both tegra based devices, But I doesn't know how close to
upstream this devices is.
+1 for the AC100.
It's not without it's limitations, but there are a number of
tweaks and modifications that can be applied to it to
improve it:
http://www.altechnative.net/tag/ac100/
Gordan
7:54 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Gordan Bobic <gordan(a)bobich.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:41:18 +0200, Nicolas Chauvet
<kwizart(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> 2013/7/30 Robert Moskowitz
>
> I need to replace my Lenovo x120e duo core Fedora (F17 still)
> notebook soon; I am getting USB errors...
>
> So can I get a comparable arm notebook to get better battery etc and
> put F19 on it? And will I get enough apps (I really only need fairly
> 'basic' 'office' apps) at this time. Oh and 'cheap' (<
$400),
> 200+Gb, and keyboard is manditory :)
>
> I was pointed to the Asus TF700T, but it is only a 10" display.
>
> My search fu is typically weak, and I have not found a list of
> systems to evaluate that I could consider.
> I Personally own a Toshiba AC100 which run fedora-19 armhfp with
> completely opensource bootloader, kernel and 2D graphics.
>
> This last is rather good supported for desktop usage.
> Most of the work is upstream, only missing point is the panel
> activation driver. I've also added and backported few patches:
> http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/kwizart/ac100/ [2]
>
>
> This device isn't sold anymore, so you might find a second-hand. (If
> one is mad enought to sell such amazing device).
>
> The support for Asus TF700T could be close to the AC100 given that
> they are both tegra based devices, But I doesn't know how close to
> upstream this devices is.
+1 for the AC100.
It's not without it's limitations, but there are a number of
tweaks and modifications that can be applied to it to
improve it:
You both missed the "but it is only a 10" display" on the other device
he looked at... so I suspect it rules out the AC100 too
Peter
8:35 a.m.
On 07/30/2013 02:25 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Robert Moskowitz
<rgm(a)htt-consult.com> wrote:
> I need to replace my Lenovo x120e duo core Fedora (F17 still) notebook soon;
> I am getting USB errors...
>
> So can I get a comparable arm notebook to get better battery etc and put F19
> on it? And will I get enough apps (I really only need fairly 'basic'
> 'office' apps) at this time. Oh and 'cheap' (< $400), 200+Gb, and
keyboard
> is manditory :)
>
> I was pointed to the Asus TF700T, but it is only a 10" display.
>
> My search fu is typically weak, and I have not found a list of systems to
> evaluate that I could consider.
I personally don't think it's there yet. Probably the closest is the
ARM Chromebook but the desktop experience isn't great due to the lack
of half decent publicly available (open source or otherwise) graphics
drivers.
Thanks. I will try and live with this box for a bit longer. Perhaps get
a new drive to put F19 on instead of risking an upgrade. Then wait for
F20 and look around again.
And for years I ran Centos on my notebooks before I finally took the
dive to Fedora for the notebook and Centos for the servers. I think
that was back in F9 days. So I can live with less than decent.
8:43 a.m.
On 07/30/2013 02:54 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Gordan Bobic
<gordan(a)bobich.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:41:18 +0200, Nicolas Chauvet <kwizart(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 2013/7/30 Robert Moskowitz
>>
>> I need to replace my Lenovo x120e duo core Fedora (F17 still)
>> notebook soon; I am getting USB errors...
>>
>> So can I get a comparable arm notebook to get better battery etc and
>> put F19 on it? And will I get enough apps (I really only need fairly
>> 'basic' 'office' apps) at this time. Oh and 'cheap'
(< $400),
>> 200+Gb, and keyboard is manditory :)
>>
>> I was pointed to the Asus TF700T, but it is only a 10" display.
>>
>> My search fu is typically weak, and I have not found a list of
>> systems to evaluate that I could consider.
>> I Personally own a Toshiba AC100 which run fedora-19 armhfp with
>> completely opensource bootloader, kernel and 2D graphics.
>>
>> This last is rather good supported for desktop usage.
>> Most of the work is upstream, only missing point is the panel
>> activation driver. I've also added and backported few patches:
>> http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/kwizart/ac100/ [2]
>>
>>
>> This device isn't sold anymore, so you might find a second-hand. (If
>> one is mad enought to sell such amazing device).
>>
>> The support for Asus TF700T could be close to the AC100 given that
>> they are both tegra based devices, But I doesn't know how close to
>> upstream this devices is.
>
> +1 for the AC100.
>
> It's not without it's limitations, but there are a number of
> tweaks and modifications that can be applied to it to
> improve it:
You both missed the "but it is only a 10" display" on the other device
he looked at... so I suspect it rules out the AC100 too
I have an Asus eee900 with F18 that has a 10" screen. I find it hard to
work with for 'real' office docs. And ppts from windows systems do not
render properly (no problem on my Lenovo x120e 12" with F17).
So I REALLY like 12" for general use and AIRPLANE use (how do people
work with 14" in those squished seating), I have found the 10" format
really not enough for general purpose use.
Thanks all for the update.
8:51 a.m.
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:43:17 +0200, Robert Moskowitz
<rgm(a)htt-consult.com> wrote:
On 07/30/2013 02:54 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Gordan Bobic <gordan(a)bobich.net>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:41:18 +0200, Nicolas Chauvet
>> <kwizart(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 2013/7/30 Robert Moskowitz
>>>
>>> I need to replace my Lenovo x120e duo core Fedora (F17 still)
>>> notebook soon; I am getting USB errors...
>>>
>>> So can I get a comparable arm notebook to get better battery etc
>>> and
>>> put F19 on it? And will I get enough apps (I really only need
>>> fairly
>>> 'basic' 'office' apps) at this time. Oh and 'cheap'
(< $400),
>>> 200+Gb, and keyboard is manditory :)
>>>
>>> I was pointed to the Asus TF700T, but it is only a 10" display.
>>>
>>> My search fu is typically weak, and I have not found a list of
>>> systems to evaluate that I could consider.
>>> I Personally own a Toshiba AC100 which run fedora-19 armhfp with
>>> completely opensource bootloader, kernel and 2D graphics.
>>>
>>> This last is rather good supported for desktop usage.
>>> Most of the work is upstream, only missing point is the panel
>>> activation driver. I've also added and backported few patches:
>>> http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/kwizart/ac100/ [2]
>>>
>>>
>>> This device isn't sold anymore, so you might find a second-hand.
>>> (If
>>> one is mad enought to sell such amazing device).
>>>
>>> The support for Asus TF700T could be close to the AC100 given that
>>> they are both tegra based devices, But I doesn't know how close to
>>> upstream this devices is.
>>
>> +1 for the AC100.
>>
>> It's not without it's limitations, but there are a number of
>> tweaks and modifications that can be applied to it to
>> improve it:
> You both missed the "but it is only a 10" display" on the other
> device
> he looked at... so I suspect it rules out the AC100 too
I have an Asus eee900 with F18 that has a 10" screen. I find it hard
to work with for 'real' office docs. And ppts from windows systems
do
not render properly (no problem on my Lenovo x120e 12" with F17).
So I REALLY like 12" for general use and AIRPLANE use (how do people
work with 14" in those squished seating), I have found the 10" format
really not enough for general purpose use.
I suspect your opinion is skewed by the fact that most 10"
screens are 1024x600 which is so inadequate it beggars
belief that any netbooks were ever sold with that resolution;
I guess it proves that a lot of people will by any crap as
long as it's cheap.
You may find that with a higher resolution screen 10" is
fine - the link I posed earlier shows hot to upgrade
the AC100 from 1024x600 to 1280x720, which makes all
the difference between completely unusable and livable
with IMO. Asus Transformer packs 1920x1080 into 10".
Google Nexus 10 packs 2560x1600 into 10" (but you'd
have to get a bluetooth keyboard for it, and probably
run full fat Linux in a chroot with VNC access from
Android).
Gordan
9:05 a.m.
On 07/30/2013 03:51 PM, Gordan Bobic wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:43:17 +0200, Robert Moskowitz
<rgm(a)htt-consult.com> wrote:
> On 07/30/2013 02:54 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Gordan Bobic <gordan(a)bobich.net>
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:41:18 +0200, Nicolas Chauvet
>>> <kwizart(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 2013/7/30 Robert Moskowitz
>>>>
>>>> I need to replace my Lenovo x120e duo core Fedora (F17 still)
>>>> notebook soon; I am getting USB errors...
>>>>
>>>> So can I get a comparable arm notebook to get better battery etc
>>>> and
>>>> put F19 on it? And will I get enough apps (I really only need fairly
>>>> 'basic' 'office' apps) at this time. Oh and
'cheap' (< $400),
>>>> 200+Gb, and keyboard is manditory :)
>>>>
>>>> I was pointed to the Asus TF700T, but it is only a 10" display.
>>>>
>>>> My search fu is typically weak, and I have not found a list of
>>>> systems to evaluate that I could consider.
>>>> I Personally own a Toshiba AC100 which run fedora-19 armhfp with
>>>> completely opensource bootloader, kernel and 2D graphics.
>>>>
>>>> This last is rather good supported for desktop usage.
>>>> Most of the work is upstream, only missing point is the panel
>>>> activation driver. I've also added and backported few patches:
>>>> http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/kwizart/ac100/ [2]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This device isn't sold anymore, so you might find a second-hand. (If
>>>> one is mad enought to sell such amazing device).
>>>>
>>>> The support for Asus TF700T could be close to the AC100 given that
>>>> they are both tegra based devices, But I doesn't know how close to
>>>> upstream this devices is.
>>>
>>> +1 for the AC100.
>>>
>>> It's not without it's limitations, but there are a number of
>>> tweaks and modifications that can be applied to it to
>>> improve it:
>> You both missed the "but it is only a 10" display" on the other
device
>> he looked at... so I suspect it rules out the AC100 too
>
> I have an Asus eee900 with F18 that has a 10" screen. I find it hard
> to work with for 'real' office docs. And ppts from windows systems do
> not render properly (no problem on my Lenovo x120e 12" with F17).
>
> So I REALLY like 12" for general use and AIRPLANE use (how do people
> work with 14" in those squished seating), I have found the 10" format
> really not enough for general purpose use.
I suspect your opinion is skewed by the fact that most 10"
screens are 1024x600 which is so inadequate it beggars
belief that any netbooks were ever sold with that resolution;
I guess it proves that a lot of people will by any crap as
long as it's cheap.
You may find that with a higher resolution screen 10" is
fine - the link I posed earlier shows hot to upgrade
the AC100 from 1024x600 to 1280x720, which makes all
the difference between completely unusable and livable
with IMO. Asus Transformer packs 1920x1080 into 10".
Google Nexus 10 packs 2560x1600 into 10" (but you'd
have to get a bluetooth keyboard for it, and probably
run full fat Linux in a chroot with VNC access from
Android).
this does put a different perspective ( :) ) on things. I will look
into this some more. Thank you all for the great information.
9:36 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 01:25:34PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Robert Moskowitz
<rgm(a)htt-consult.com> wrote:
> I need to replace my Lenovo x120e duo core Fedora (F17 still) notebook soon;
> I am getting USB errors...
>
> So can I get a comparable arm notebook to get better battery etc and put F19
> on it? And will I get enough apps (I really only need fairly 'basic'
> 'office' apps) at this time. Oh and 'cheap' (< $400), 200+Gb,
and keyboard
> is manditory :)
>
> I was pointed to the Asus TF700T, but it is only a 10" display.
>
> My search fu is typically weak, and I have not found a list of systems to
> evaluate that I could consider.
I personally don't think it's there yet. Probably the closest is the
ARM Chromebook but the desktop experience isn't great due to the lack
of half decent publicly available (open source or otherwise) graphics
drivers.
I actually used the Chromebook for a couple of weeks while travelling
to do some development work. Graphics are a bit slow and mouse is
horrible, but over all it wasn't too bad. The thing is super-light,
has excellent battery life, and reasonably fast.
Rich.
--
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powerful monitoring features, net stats, disk stats, logging, etc.
http://people.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-top
11:54 a.m.
在 2013-8-1 PM10:37，"Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones(a)redhat.xn--com>:-0s6m5392c
> ARM Chromebook but the desktop experience isn't great due to
the lack
> of half decent publicly available (open source or otherwise) graphics
> drivers.
CB Pixel is too expensive, the normal version would be great.
But I've heard that octo-core new version of chromebook will be released,
better accelerated graphic support(not Linux maybe), lower battery
consumption and so on, thus I've been waiting for the next release to see
if it really worth buying.
Sent from S3
2:21 p.m.
On 08/01/2013 05:54 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
在 2013-8-1 PM10:37，"Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones(a)redhat.com
<mailto:rjones@redhat.com>>写道：
> > ARM Chromebook but the desktop experience isn't great due to the lack
> > of half decent publicly available (open source or otherwise) graphics
> > drivers.
CB Pixel is too expensive, the normal version would be great.
Chromebook Pixel is also x86 so not applicable if you are after an ARM
machine.
Gordan
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