Hi,
I have found an good comparison table about ARM devel boards - maybe this could be a great guide if someone needs it. HTH.
http://socialcompare.com/en/comparison/low-cost-arm-boards
Zoltan
Excellent resource, thanks for this. :)
There are at least two more worth considering for higher end purposes: Arndale (8-core (A7+A15), 3GB) Cornfed (4-core (A9), 4GB, SATA, ATX)
On 2014-02-11 12:28, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
Hi,
I have found an good comparison table about ARM devel boards - maybe this could be a great guide if someone needs it. HTH.
http://socialcompare.com/en/comparison/low-cost-arm-boards [1]
Zoltan
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On 2014-02-11 12:57, Christopher Meng wrote:
Yes, arndale is pretty nice.
Indeed, but the external power brick and "random-slab-of-PCB" form factor make it a bit messy.
The Cornfed servers motherboard is ATX with a PSU built onto the board, so it takes "kettle lead" AC power input. It means I can just drop it into a generic ATX case.
Gordan
Hi,
On 02/11/2014 01:28 PM, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
Hi,
I have found an good comparison table about ARM devel boards - maybe this could be a great guide if someone needs it. HTH.
I'm afraid I have to advice against using this, it clearly has not been updated in ages. IE where is the wandboard, or the cubieboard1 / 2 or the cubietruck, or the A10-olinuxino-lime (Only 30 eur board with native sata) ?
Also the prices seem to not have been updated ever. IE mk802 currently is closer to $ 40.
Regardsm
Hans
Yes, you are right, but I'm getting more and more deeply buried under within low cost arm boards - and when I try to select one - well simply I can't because not really supported within Fedora, or the board design forgets to include some things. Mostly confusing that there are no boards that is fully open source or have enough power at least reach a netbook level computing.
2014-02-11 14:24 GMT+01:00 Hans de Goede hdegoede@redhat.com:
Hi,
On 02/11/2014 01:28 PM, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
Hi,
I have found an good comparison table about ARM devel boards - maybe this could be a great guide if someone needs it. HTH.
I'm afraid I have to advice against using this, it clearly has not been updated in ages. IE where is the wandboard, or the cubieboard1 / 2 or the cubietruck, or the A10-olinuxino-lime (Only 30 eur board with native sata) ?
Also the prices seem to not have been updated ever. IE mk802 currently is closer to $ 40.
Regardsm
Hans
On 2014-02-11 13:31, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
Yes, you are right, but I'm getting more and more deeply buried under within low cost arm boards - and when I try to select one - well simply I can't because not really supported within Fedora, or the board design forgets to include some things. Mostly confusing that there are no boards that is fully open source or have enough power at least reach a netbook level computing.
Can you define what you mean by "netbook level computing"? If you are aiming for >= Atom N270, then any Cortex A9 or better reaches that level. Nvidia recently open sourced the Tegra drivers, so anything based on that should fit the requirements. Vivante GPUs have, AFAIK, open source drivers, as do Mali based ones. The only one that has no accelerated support is PowerVR.
Gordan
Well, one of my long time dream is to have an arm based hacker laptop that I have printed (CNC whatever) and designed, and can use with my beloved Fedora - of course when upgrade comes, simply I replace the complete board - and I have new system. Sadly this is only a dream yet.
If I would like to have normal-ish multitasking (not so intensive one), that surely requires more than 1 gig ram. I don't have huge needs, just a silent hacked laptop that based on arm and doesn't want to die when I open a Firefox, or bunch of libreoffice docs that I usually travel with, and of course can hack on ARM.
If I look around most of the allwinner boards are really mixed bag. The iMX boards are good, but not all is usable to be a base a kind of netbook - as very rare to have LVDS connector on board... Other thing is the battery support - eg. I was really surprised about the Cubietruck that has direct LiPo battery support, but they forgot to have the LCD connector support as it has been on the Cubieboard 2.
Zoltan
2014-02-11 14:43 GMT+01:00 Gordan Bobic gordan@bobich.net:
On 2014-02-11 13:31, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
Yes, you are right, but I'm getting more and more deeply buried under within low cost arm boards - and when I try to select one - well simply I can't because not really supported within Fedora, or the board design forgets to include some things. Mostly confusing that there are no boards that is fully open source or have enough power at least reach a netbook level computing.
Can you define what you mean by "netbook level computing"? If you are aiming for >= Atom N270, then any Cortex A9 or better reaches that level. Nvidia recently open sourced the Tegra drivers, so anything based on that should fit the requirements. Vivante GPUs have, AFAIK, open source drivers, as do Mali based ones. The only one that has no accelerated support is PowerVR.
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On 2014-02-11 14:43, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
Well, one of my long time dream is to have an arm based hacker laptop that I have printed (CNC whatever) and designed, and can use with my beloved Fedora - of course when upgrade comes, simply I replace the complete board - and I have new system. Sadly this is only a dream yet.
If I would like to have normal-ish multitasking (not so intensive one), that surely requires more than 1 gig ram. I don't have huge needs, just a silent hacked laptop that based on arm and doesn't want to die when I open a Firefox, or bunch of libreoffice docs that I usually travel with, and of course can hack on ARM.
Maybe I'm missing a something, but it sounds very much like what you are after is actually a Chromebook (Samsung or HP, based on Exynos A15). I have one and it does all that and more quite effortlessly.
If I look around most of the allwinner boards are really mixed bag. The iMX boards are good, but not all is usable to be a base a kind of netbook - as very rare to have LVDS connector on board... Other thing is the battery support - eg. I was really surprised about the Cubietruck that has direct LiPo battery support, but they forgot to have the LCD connector support as it has been on the Cubieboard 2.
Sounds like an extremely expensive project. You are probably better off waiting for the EOMA68 project to produce some usable hardware. You then need some contacts to find some left-over laptop chassies from another suitable machine, and get somebody to design a motherboard that will take an EOMA68 card and simply acts as a break-out board for the EOMA68's functionality. You would then end up with something you can upgrade by simply replacing the EOMA card (PCMCIA form factor) when a better EOMA card is available without rebuilding the whole laptop around a completely different motherboard.
Gordan
W dniu 11.02.2014 15:58, Gordan Bobic pisze:
Well, one of my long time dream is to have an arm based hacker laptop that I have printed (CNC whatever) and designed, and can use with my beloved Fedora - of course when upgrade comes, simply I replace the complete board - and I have new system. Sadly this is only a dream yet.
If I would like to have normal-ish multitasking (not so intensive one), that surely requires more than 1 gig ram. I don't have huge needs, just a silent hacked laptop that based on arm and doesn't want to die when I open a Firefox, or bunch of libreoffice docs that I usually travel with, and of course can hack on ARM.
Maybe I'm missing a something, but it sounds very much like what you are after is actually a Chromebook (Samsung or HP, based on Exynos A15). I have one and it does all that and more quite effortlessly.
I suggest Samsung one. Both lack any community but for this one we have few developers in Fedora community.
On 2014-02-11 15:34, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
W dniu 11.02.2014 15:58, Gordan Bobic pisze:
Well, one of my long time dream is to have an arm based hacker laptop that I have printed (CNC whatever) and designed, and can use with my beloved Fedora - of course when upgrade comes, simply I replace the complete board - and I have new system. Sadly this is only a dream yet.
If I would like to have normal-ish multitasking (not so intensive one), that surely requires more than 1 gig ram. I don't have huge needs, just a silent hacked laptop that based on arm and doesn't want to die when I open a Firefox, or bunch of libreoffice docs that I usually travel with, and of course can hack on ARM.
Maybe I'm missing a something, but it sounds very much like what you are after is actually a Chromebook (Samsung or HP, based on Exynos A15). I have one and it does all that and more quite effortlessly.
I suggest Samsung one. Both lack any community but for this one we have few developers in Fedora community.
I haven't tried the HP one but my understanding is that internally they are virtually identical.
I understand what you mean about the lack of community, though. The Toshiba AC100 had a huge Linux community across multiple Linux distributions spring up around it, yet commercially it was a massive failure. It makes me wonder if maybe the reason why it has such a huge community following is because it took so much effort to get it to work fully with Linux (it shipped with Android). I still use mine fairly regularly, mainly when I need to do some more serious work because the keyboard and touchpad on it are vastly better than the Chromebooks. Linking big builds in 500MB of RAM can be a little uncomfortable, though.
Gordan
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