Fwd: Please REPLY to this mail (or you will be *removed* from the Ambassadors Country list)

[Angel]

Hi list,

This mail has been sent to every Bangladeshi Ambassador.
In case if you haven't received it for some reason,
please let me know.

Thanks.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ashiqur Rahman Angel 
Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:47 AM
Subject: Please REPLY to this mail (or you will be *removed* from the
Ambassadors Country list)

Hi,

You are receiving this message because you are listed as a member of the
Fedora Ambassadors Project and You are from Bangladesh.

I am performing some housekeeping as decided by FAmSCo.

If you would like to remain listed as an Ambassador, please respond to
this message letting me know that you are still with us.

Also please let me know what you are working on and if you need any
resources for that. We will work for arranging that.

If you do not want to remain listed as an Ambassador, please send me
an email saying that you wish to be removed.

If I don't hear from you by Saturday, 11 March, 2009, you will be
removed from this[1] country list of ambassadors.

Remember, nobody will be removed from Fedora Ambassadors, everyone in the
project will keep its place. This is just an initiative aimed to have a list
with people that could be contacted, in order to not have people (from the
outer world and ambassadors) complaining they don't receive any answer from
their country ambassadors. what you see, is direct to start creating an
Ambassadors Contact List (was country list).

Thanks a lot for all the efforts you are extending to Fedora.

Hope to hear from you soon.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList

[Russell John]

Finally they realised the necessity to do some housecleaning. =D

2009/3/2 Ashiqur Rahman Angel

Hi list,
> This mail has been sent to every Bangladeshi Ambassador.
> In case if you haven't received it for some reason,
> please let me know.
>
> Thanks.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ashiqur Rahman Angel 
> Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:47 AM
> Subject: Please REPLY to this mail (or you will be *removed* from the
> Ambassadors Country list)
>
> Hi,
>
> You are receiving this message because you are listed as a member of the
> Fedora Ambassadors Project and You are from Bangladesh.
>
> I am performing some housekeeping as decided by FAmSCo.
>
> If you would like to remain listed as an Ambassador, please respond to
> this message letting me know that you are still with us.
>
> Also please let me know what you are working on and if you need any
> resources for that. We will work for arranging that.
>
> If you do not want to remain listed as an Ambassador, please send me
> an email saying that you wish to be removed.
>
> If I don't hear from you by Saturday, 11 March, 2009, you will be
> removed from this[1] country list of ambassadors.
>
> Remember, nobody will be removed from Fedora Ambassadors, everyone in the
> project will keep its place. This is just an initiative aimed to have a list
> with people that could be contacted, in order to not have people (from the
> outer world and ambassadors) complaining they don't receive any answer from
> their country ambassadors. what you see, is direct to start creating an
> Ambassadors Contact List (was country list).
>
> Thanks a lot for all the efforts you are extending to Fedora.
>
> Hope to hear from you soon.
>
> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList
>
> --
> Angel
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel
> 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2
>
> Fedora -- Freedom² and rapid innovation
>
> Fedora-bangladesh-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-bangladesh-list

[Mustafa Golam -]

Bad Marketing!!!

2009/3/2 Russell John
> Finally they realised the necessity to do some housecleaning. =D

[Russell John]

Bad marketing?  Please explain.

2009/3/2 Mustafa Golam -

Bad Marketing!!!
> 2009/3/2 Russell John
> > Finally they realised the necessity to do some housecleaning. =D

[Mustafa Golam -]

There are many ambassador of  Fedora who are newbie.
They clicking rather than using commands.
And much more!!!
Does it make sense?
//Mustafa
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Russell John  wrote:
> Bad marketing?  Please explain.
>
> 2009/3/2 Mustafa Golam -
>
> Bad Marketing!!!
> >

[Russell John]

Yes it does.  The recruitment process should be changed.

2009/3/2 Mustafa Golam -

There are many ambassador of  Fedora who are newbie.
> They clicking rather than using commands.
> And much more!!!
> Does it make sense?
> //Mustafa
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Russell John  wrote:
> > Bad marketing?  Please explain.
> >
> > 2009/3/2 Mustafa Golam -
> >
> > Bad Marketing!!!
> > >

This email was sent to Fedora Bangladeshi Ambassadors, according to the
addresses taken by FAmSCo, who are not active from a long time.

For example, according to the Fedora Ambassador Country List[1], there has
some ambassadors who are old enough, but didn't even create there new wiki
page (Fedora Wiki migrated 10 months ago). And there has some other
Ambassadors who got reimbursements from Fedora for arranging Fedora Event,
but we didn't hear anything from them for a long time. This housekeeping is
only for old Fedora Ambassadors.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Russell John  wrote:
> Yes it does.  The recruitment process should be changed.
>
> 2009/3/2 Mustafa Golam -
>
> There are many ambassador of  Fedora who are newbie.
> > They clicking rather than using commands.
> > And much more!!!
> > Does it make sense?
> > //Mustafa
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Russell John wrote:
> > > Bad marketing?  Please explain.
> > >
> > > 2009/3/2 Mustafa Golam -
> > >
> > > Bad Marketing!!!
> > > >
>
> --
> No Microsoft products were used in the preparation or transmission of this
> message.
>
> Russell John | Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance
> 1024D/91F003D2 | (+88) 0161-Russell | http://russelljohn.info

Well the initiative sounds understandable. Ambassadors who do not
participate but got themselves listed to become famous are not really
deserving.
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2009/3/2
> This email was sent to Fedora Bangladeshi Ambassadors, according to the
> addresses taken by FAmSCo, who are not active from a long time.
>
> For example, according to the Fedora Ambassador Country List[1], there has
> some ambassadors who are old enough, but didn't even create there new wiki
> page (Fedora Wiki migrated 10 months ago). And there has some other
> Ambassadors who got reimbursements from Fedora for arranging Fedora Event,
> but we didn't hear anything from them for a long time. This housekeeping is
> only for old Fedora Ambassadors.
>
> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Russell John  wrote:
> > Yes it does.  The recruitment process should be changed.
> >
> > 2009/3/2 Mustafa Golam -
> >
> > There are many ambassador of  Fedora who are newbie.
> > > They clicking rather than using commands.
> > > And much more!!!
> > > Does it make sense?
> > > //Mustafa
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Russell John wrote:
> > > > Bad marketing?  Please explain.
> > > >
> > > > 2009/3/2 Mustafa Golam -
> > > >
> > > > Bad Marketing!!!
> > > > >
> >
> > --
> > No Microsoft products were used in the preparation or transmission of this
> > message.
> >
> > Russell John | Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance
> > 1024D/91F003D2 | (+88) 0161-Russell | http://russelljohn.info
>
> --
> Angel
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel
> 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2
>
> Fedora -- Freedom² and rapid innovation
>
> Fedora-bangladesh-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-bangladesh-list

WTF, you are replying in such small bursts??
Take you time and make the reply clear, consistent and lucid one!!!
//Mustafa

2009/3/2
> Well the initiative sounds understandable. Ambassadors who do not
> participate but got themselves listed to become famous are not really
> deserving.

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2009/3/2
> WTF, you are replying in such small bursts??

Is that a List lingo?  I guess thats too obscene to be used in a list lingo.
> Take you time and make the reply clear, consistent and lucid one!!!
> //Mustafa
>
> 2009/3/2
> > Well the initiative sounds understandable. Ambassadors who do not
> > participate but got themselves listed to become famous are not really
> > deserving.
>
> Fedora-bangladesh-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-bangladesh-list

> 2009/3/2
> > WTF, you are replying in such small bursts??
>
> Is that a List lingo?  I guess thats too obscene to be used in a list
> lingo.

Yes it was. And I'm sorry for that.
Please use the Admin email address for administrative purpose only.
//Mustafa

[Angel]

It is fixed now.

2009/3/2
> > 2009/3/2
> > > WTF, you are replying in such small bursts??
> >
> > Is that a List lingo?  I guess thats too obscene to be used in a list
> > lingo.
>
> Yes it was. And I'm sorry for that.
> Please use the Admin email address for administrative purpose only.
> //Mustafa
>
> Fedora-bangladesh-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-bangladesh-list

[Lenin]

Mr Something from fedora-bangladesh-list,
Are you mustafa?  Who are you addressing to?
What you meant all these times?
Please clarify them now one by one.

I wont make an opinion yet, but it totally sounds very rude and rubbish way
of replying in a list. And specially using the official mailing address its
not acceptable in any means.

Lenin

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2009/3/2
> > 2009/3/2
> > > WTF, you are replying in such small bursts??
> >
> > Is that a List lingo?  I guess thats too obscene to be used in a list
> > lingo.
>
> Yes it was. And I'm sorry for that.
> Please use the Admin email address for administrative purpose only.
> //Mustafa
>
> Fedora-bangladesh-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-bangladesh-list

[Angel]

Speaking from the view of an ambassador, I hope, that you don't communicate
ever such statements as above to users when acting as ambassador or when
representing Fedora. Surely you didn't meant the sentence such hard as you
have written it, nevertheless it seems you're lacking basics about Fedora.

Please read carefully http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct .

Although it was a option of Mailman Mailing list (Hide the sender of a
message, replacing it with the list address), and you didn't understand
this, but it's not mean, you can use such a harsh word on the list.

2009/3/2
> WTF, you are replying in such small bursts??
> Take you time and make the reply clear, consistent and lucid one!!!
> //Mustafa
>
> 2009/3/2
> > Well the initiative sounds understandable. Ambassadors who do not
> > participate but got themselves listed to become famous are not really
> > deserving.
>
> Fedora-bangladesh-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-bangladesh-list

[Mustafa Golam -]

2009/3/2 Ashiqur Rahman Angel
> Speaking from the view of an ambassador, I hope, that you don't communicate
> ever such statements as above to users when acting as ambassador or when
> representing Fedora. Surely you didn't meant the sentence such hard as you
> have written it, nevertheless it seems you're lacking basics about Fedora.

I don't want to work with those who does not respect the seniors.
You should know what I mean.
> Please read carefully http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct .

Thanks for your link.
//Mustafa

[Lenin]

Respect is what comes from inherited respect. If you conduct irresponsible
behavior even to toddlers or infants you would get the same. Because its
like a mirror. You see yourself in the others eyes.
I can definitely tell that most members who are reading this thread didn't
understand what was going on at all. About seniority I wont comment as I
dont know anyone other than Russell Jhon & Angel :)

Anyways peace be there upon all

Lenin

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2009/3/2 Mustafa Golam -
> 2009/3/2 Ashiqur Rahman Angel
> > Speaking from the view of an ambassador, I hope, that you don't
> > communicate
> > ever such statements as above to users when acting as ambassador or when
> > representing Fedora. Surely you didn't meant the sentence such hard as you
> > have written it, nevertheless it seems you're lacking basics about Fedora.
>
> I don't want to work with those who does not respect the seniors.
> You should know what I mean.
> > Please read carefully http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct .
>
> Thanks for your link.
> //Mustafa
>
> Fedora-bangladesh-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-bangladesh-list

[Angel]

Hi,
It was a option of the Mailman Mailing list (hide the sender of a message,
replacing it with the list address), that's why four mails of this thread,
you have seen, sender [e-mail]. But to seeing the
expression of Mustafa Gulam, I have disabled that option immediately.

This misunderstanding occurred because of me, that's right. And I apologies
for this.

[Imtiaz Rahi]

2009/3/2 Ashiqur Rahman Angel :
> Speaking from the view of an ambassador, I hope, that you don't communicate
> ever such statements as above to users when acting as ambassador or when
> representing Fedora. Surely you didn't meant the sentence such hard as you
> have written it, nevertheless it seems you're lacking basics about Fedora.
>
> Please read carefully http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct .
>
> Although it was a option of Mailman Mailing list (Hide the sender of a
> message, replacing it with the list address), and you didn't understand
> this, but it's not mean, you can use such a harsh word on the list.
>
> 2009/3/2
> > WTF, you are replying in such small bursts??
> > Take you time and make the reply clear, consistent and lucid one!!!
> > //Mustafa
> >
> > 2009/3/2
> > > Well the initiative sounds understandable. Ambassadors who do not
> > > participate but got themselves listed to become famous are not really
> > > deserving.
> >
> > Fedora-bangladesh-list mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-bangladesh-list
>
> --
> Angel
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel
> 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2
>
> Fedora -- Freedom² and rapid innovation

Preamble: When I replied this mail went to Angel only. Actually I
intended to send it to the list

First and foremost an Ambassador should have very good communication
skill by which he/she will command attention of others to listen to.
I can clearly see this lacking.

Mr. Angel,
we can see you are taking some initiative. But clearly the diplomacy
is missing which is expected from an Ambassador.
if you want to make all the Ambassadors in Bangladesh active then
steps should be different.
Or it is about getting them out.

Remember, all of us who enrolled and get ourself in the Ambassador
list used our time and energy to figure out things for ourselves.
And we all take activities which may very visible to merely visible.
But it give you very little or no right to do something like KHOBORDARI.

So, I will sum up. Refresh your word and try yourself to be more
acceptable which will be the biggest achievement of yours as an
Ambassador from Bangladesh.
remember, there is no loss if you show respect to your seniors. Only
you will gain more respect from others

Cheers,
Imtiaz Rahi
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Imtiaz

[Angel]

If you have any question about this housekeeping, why I am doing and what's
the reason, please contact with FaMSco, whatever you think this is
"Khobordari" or anything.

And I don't think, I disrespect anyone here. What happened here just a
misunderstanding.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Imtiaz Rahi wrote:
> 2009/3/2 Ashiqur Rahman Angel :
> > Speaking from the view of an ambassador, I hope, that you don't
>
> communicate
> > ever such statements as above to users when acting as ambassador or when
> > representing Fedora. Surely you didn't meant the sentence such hard as
>
> you
> > have written it, nevertheless it seems you're lacking basics about
>
> Fedora.
> > Please read carefully http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct.
> >
> > Although it was a option of Mailman Mailing list (Hide the sender of a
> > message, replacing it with the list address), and you didn't understand
> > this, but it's not mean, you can use such a harsh word on the list.
> >
> > 2009/3/2
> > > WTF, you are replying in such small bursts??
> > > Take you time and make the reply clear, consistent and lucid one!!!
> > > //Mustafa
> > >
> > > 2009/3/2
> > > > Well the initiative sounds understandable. Ambassadors who do not
> > > > participate but got themselves listed to become famous are not really
> > > > deserving.
> > >
> > > Fedora-bangladesh-list mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-bangladesh-list
> >
> > --
> > Angel
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel
> > 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2
> >
> > Fedora -- Freedom² and rapid innovation
>
> Preamble: When I replied this mail went to Angel only. Actually I
> intended to send it to the list
>
> First and foremost an Ambassador should have very good communication
> skill by which he/she will command attention of others to listen to.
> I can clearly see this lacking.
>
> Mr. Angel,
> we can see you are taking some initiative. But clearly the diplomacy
> is missing which is expected from an Ambassador.
> if you want to make all the Ambassadors in Bangladesh active then
> steps should be different.
> Or it is about getting them out.
>
> Remember, all of us who enrolled and get ourself in the Ambassador
> list used our time and energy to figure out things for ourselves.
> And we all take activities which may very visible to merely visible.
> But it give you very little or no right to do something like KHOBORDARI.
>
> So, I will sum up. Refresh your word and try yourself to be more
> acceptable which will be the biggest achievement of yours as an
> Ambassador from Bangladesh.
> remember, there is no loss if you show respect to your seniors. Only
> you will gain more respect from others
>
> Cheers,
> Imtiaz Rahi
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Imtiaz
>
> Fedora-bangladesh-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-bangladesh-list

If you have read past emails in this list and past FAmSCO IRC log (I assume,
you didn't), we justified it because we received a lot of feedback from
people who were trying to get in contact with Ambassadors in Country List
wiki page and, without success, didn't receive any reply.

If you are an ambassadors (even if not active) you'll remain an Ambassador,
your name will not be shown in Ambassadors Country List, that's all.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Mustafa Golam - wrote:
> There are many ambassador of  Fedora who are newbie.
> They clicking rather than using commands.
> And much more!!!
> Does it make sense?
> //Mustafa

[shiplu]

2009/3/1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel :
> Hi list,
>
> This mail has been sent to every Bangladeshi Ambassador.
> In case if you haven't received it for some reason,
> please let me know.
>
> Thanks.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ashiqur Rahman Angel 
> Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:47 AM
> Subject: Please REPLY to this mail (or you will be *removed* from the
> Ambassadors Country list)
>
> Hi,
>
> You are receiving this message because you are listed as a member of the
> Fedora Ambassadors Project and You are from Bangladesh.
>
> I am performing some housekeeping as decided by FAmSCo.
>
> If you would like to remain listed as an Ambassador, please respond to
> this message letting me know that you are still with us.
>
> Also please let me know what you are working on and if you need any
> resources for that. We will work for arranging that.
>
> If you do not want to remain listed as an Ambassador, please send me
> an email saying that you wish to be removed.
>
> If I don't hear from you by Saturday, 11 March, 2009, you will be
> removed from this[1] country list of ambassadors.
>
> Remember, nobody will be removed from Fedora Ambassadors, everyone in the
> project will keep its place. This is just an initiative aimed to have a list
> with people that could be contacted, in order to not have people (from the
> outer world and ambassadors) complaining they don't receive any answer from
> their country ambassadors. what you see, is direct to start creating an
> Ambassadors Contact List (was country list).
>
> Thanks a lot for all the efforts you are extending to Fedora.
>
> Hope to hear from you soon.
>
> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList
>
> --
> Angel
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel
> 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2
>
> Fedora -- Freedom² and rapid innovation
>
> Fedora-bangladesh-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-bangladesh-list

Is it a threat ? ?  :P