Fedora 中文組郵件列表 November 2010

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[FZH] 寻人打包 openfetion 到 Fedora
by Aron Xu 16 Nov '10

16 Nov '10

如题，openfetion 是一个不错的飞信客户端，以 GPL 许可证发行，希望有人能将其维护至 Fedora 仓库。版权问题已经解决，编译过程中也应该不会给 packager 带来什么麻烦。主页：http://basiccoder.com/openfetion 下载：http://code.google.com/p/ofetion/downloads/list 我不了解 rpm 具体打包的方法和需要遵守的标准，但是可以尽可能提供协助。 -- Regards, Aron Xu

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[FZH] 論壇持續項目
by Caius 'kaio' Chance 14 Nov '10

14 Nov '10

剛到論壇看今天下午北京聚會真相的時候，才發現人氣一般般。我們要不要再去研究一下，再把它搞起來？ -- Caius 'kaio' Chance Fedora Project Contributor - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kaio [IRC] kaio @ freenode | [Twitter] @K410 | [Blog] kaio.net

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[FZH] #D 交换打包Package Review
by Liberty 14 Nov '10

14 Nov '10

大家好，以前做了几个科学计算的包，一直没有人Review。想和大家交换Review一下，我可以帮忙Review大家的包，大家也帮忙看看我的包。谢谢！ Review Request: python-orange - Orange data mining library for python https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=645321 Review Request: python-PyWavelets - Python wavelet transforms module https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=644899

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[FZH] Fedora Meetup is held at Beijing this afternoon.
by Caius 'kaio' Chance 14 Nov '10

14 Nov '10

Hi, We have organized a meet-up at Beijing this afternoon. Sorry for the post is not in English. We will create a report on fp.o wiki asap: http://bbs.fedora-zh.org/showthread.php?5530-Fedora-%E5%8C%97%E4%BA%AC%E8%8… Look forward to have more meet-ups happening among Chinese community soon! :D P.S. Thanks for liuhongdan's photo and everyone joined. Regards, kaio -- Caius 'kaio' Chance Fedora Project Contributor - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kaio [IRC] kaio @ freenode | [Twitter] @K410 | [Blog] kaio.net

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[FZH] 菲律賓的 f14 安裝會／ Fwd: [Ambassadors] F14 Release Party Report
by Caius 'kaio' Chance 14 Nov '10

14 Nov '10

如題 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Heherson Pagcaliwagan <herson(a)azneita.org> Date: 2010/11/12 Subject: [Ambassadors] F14 Release Party Report To: Fedora Ambassadors <ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Almost a week after the event, I've posted the event report on the Fedora Philippines Community website: http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/index.php?entry=20101112104836 Sorry for the wait. -- azneita -- ambassadors mailing list ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors -- Caius 'kaio' Chance Fedora Project Contributor - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kaio [IRC] kaio @ freenode | [Twitter] @K410 | [Blog] kaio.net

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[FZH] #T #U #D Fedora 名片生成器
by Tommy He 14 Nov '10

14 Nov '10

刚看到 Kaio 兄鸟嘀咕上的更新，发觉了这个好东东，可以生成 Fedora 贡献者的名片，于是顺手汉化了下对应 Wiki 页面： http://cut.gd/DR0f 或许对于推广 Fedora 也是有帮助的。黑日白月 -- Take a Deep Breath out of Windows https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lovenemesis

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[FZH] 暫退聲明（Fwd: [Ambassadors] Going passive）
by Caius 'kaio' Chance 13 Nov '10

13 Nov '10

在 kital 跟一位噴者在大使列表起火，這位朋友亂入後燃燒，最後發了這則暫退聲明。 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-November/016033.h… 當中提及他對紅帽籍由贊助 fedora 計劃作惡（be evil）的看法。個人認為雖然他的語氣有些偏激，但是也代表了某部分貢獻者的不滿。在贙助開源作業系統項目的企業中，主要有 Sun (Oracle), SUSE (Novell), Red Hat, Canonical；而從中賺到最大利潤的，應該是 RH。在以上連結中，大家也表達了不同的意見，有興趣的請按過去細閱。 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sascha Thomas Spreitzer <sspreitzer(a)fedoraproject.org> Date: 2010/11/9 Subject: [Ambassadors] Going passive To: Fedora community advisory board <advisory-board(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>, Fedora Ambassadors List <fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com> Dear Fedorians, as I feel frustration about my work in Fedora and I do not agree with todays Fedora governance and ruling system I am hereby taking the logical step of stopping all my active contributions to this project. One major point is that I feel exploited by RedHats installation of the Fedora Project and I do not feel it is ok to contribute for a companys benefit that is not equal to its project investment. Thats why I am saying goodbye, with the following sentence; "Microsoft is the evil we know. Novell and Oracle is the evil we got to know and Canonical and RedHat is the evil we will get to know." The duties I am leaving open and which will be impacting are; - EMEA media production (F14 still open?) - Dual layer DVD approach - some packages Thank you for the friends I met and made and thank you about the lessons I learned about OpenSource and capitalism. For the sake of freedom I will be shifting my spare time to projects which are ruled by the poeple for the people. -- best wishes, Sascha -- ambassadors mailing list ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors -- Caius 'kaio' Chance Fedora Project Contributor - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kaio [IRC] kaio @ freenode | [Twitter] @K410 | [Blog] kaio.net

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[FZH] 澳洲區社區郵件列表
by Caius 'kaio' Chance 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

受 kital 所託，我也負責擔當澳大利亞區 Ambassador Mentor；剛申請了一個郵件列表，再召集其他大使： https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/au-users kaio -- Caius 'kaio' Chance Fedora Project Contributor - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kaio [IRC] kaio @ freenode | [Twitter] @K410 | [Blog] kaio.net

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[FZH] #fedora-zh Meeting Log 12 Nov 2010
by Caius 'kaio' Chance 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

因為 bot 好像沒有聽話，所以把 log 貼出來。 ----- meeting starts ----- CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ hi,我已经#startmeeting了，你出个主题吧 [9:58pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 我在列表貼了主題 [9:58pm] xielingyun__: gcell: gcell大神 [9:58pm] kaio: 黑白在嗎 [9:58pm] pys8302 joined the chat room. [9:59pm] • kaio 翻郵件中 [9:59pm] kaio: # [lovenemesis] 更改每週聚會日：由週五晚改成週六晚。 [9:59pm] kaio: # [liangsuilong] 停止 googlegroup 的郵件列表服務：改成唯讀，作為存檔。 [9:59pm] kaio: # [lovenemesis] Tux 被無良奸商利用：代表 QQ，設計成趕「360 vs qq」的話題 t-shirt 售賣。 [9:59pm] kaio: # [kaio] 大使郵件列表的討論：kital 與人互噴，與某貢獻者暫退同時提出有關 RH 的立場問題。 [9:59pm] kaio: # [kaio] 中文大使組：gbraad 與 kaio 成為 mentor 及工作計劃討論。 [10:00pm] kaio: 梁牛在嗎？ liuhongdan [10:00pm] kaio: liuhongdan: sorry wrong ping [10:01pm] kaio: #topic 更改每週聚會日：由週五晚改成週六晚。 [10:01pm] gcell: xielingyun__: ……请不要拔高我，kaio hers 这几位才是大神，我只是普通用户…… [10:01pm] CyrusYzGTt: xielingyun__§ 我也是普通用户 [10:01pm] gcell: xielingyun__: 好久莫看到你了 [10:01pm] xielingyun__: 最近比较忙。。。 [10:01pm] gcell: mentor是什么？ [10:01pm] pys8302: 问一下，fedora 14 硬盘安装有成功过的吗？？ [10:01pm] xielingyun__: menter就是师傅 [10:01pm] gcell: 我是升级的 [10:01pm] pys8302: 问一下，fedora 14 硬盘安装有成功过的吗？？ [10:01pm] gcell: xielingyun__: 哦，明白了 [10:01pm] liuhongdan: kaio: ................... [10:01pm] xielingyun__: 我的笔记本用liveusb总是启动不起来 [10:01pm] gcell: liuhongdan: dandan，晚上好 [10:01pm] xielingyun__: 以后就是kaio师傅，hers师傅 [10:01pm] liuhongdan: gcell: 周末好 [10:01pm] pys8302: xielingyun__:我的也是，到了画面就死机了 [10:01pm] CyrusYzGTt: pys8302§ 用 sudo pregrade-cli 'Fedora 14 "Laughlin"' -y [10:01pm] liuhongdan: kaio师，hers师 [10:02pm] MeaCulpa joined the chat room. [10:02pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio师，hers师 [10:02pm] xielingyun__: 我这个在台式上都不行 [10:02pm] gcell: liuhongdan: 我已经没有周末的概念了 [10:02pm] liuhongdan: gcell: 练习太极 [10:02pm] kaio: #meetingname fedora 中文用戶組 2010 年 11 月 12 日聚會 [10:02pm] zodbot: The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_中文用戶組_2010_年_11_月_12_日聚會' [10:03pm] gcell: 今晚讨论什么？ [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: .... [10:03pm] kaio: #topic 更改每週聚會日：由週五晚改成週六晚。 [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: <kaio> # [lovenemesis] 更改每週聚會日：由週五晚改成週六晚。 [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: <kaio> # [liangsuilong] 停止 googlegroup 的郵件列表服務：改成唯讀，作為存檔。 [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: <kaio> # [lovenemesis] Tux 被無良奸商利用：代表 QQ，設計成趕「360 vs qq」的話題 t-shirt 售賣。 [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: <kaio> # [kaio] 大使郵件列表的討論：kital 與人互噴，與某貢獻者暫退同時提出有關 RH 的立場問題。 [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: <kaio> # [kaio] 中文大使組：gbraad 與 kaio 成為 mentor 及工作計劃討論。 [10:03pm] xielingyun__: 周五都六对我来说没啥区别 [10:03pm] allblue left the chat room. (Quit: 离开) [10:04pm] gcell: kital 與人互噴，與某貢獻者暫退同時提出有關 RH 的立場問題--------》这个是什么？ [10:04pm] allblue joined the chat room. [10:04pm] liuhongdan: gcell: 需要看邮件列表原文才知啊 [10:05pm] kaio: 我會在郵件列表發一貼，看誰星期六不能來；再比較看看哪一天可取，好像有人週末回家反而不能來。 [10:05pm] gcell: liuhongdan: 你没发现后半句有很严重的歧义么？ [10:05pm] pys83021 joined the chat room. [10:05pm] liuhongdan: gcell: 大体是kital竞选时发现一切都是RH的暗箱操作，且商业利益为先，于是大为光火，决定退出 [10:05pm] kaio: gcell: 請留到主題才討論。謝謝。 [10:05pm] MeaCulpa1 joined the chat room. [10:05pm] kaio: liuhongdan: 不對 [10:06pm] liuhongdan: 一会请kaio师指正 [10:06pm] gcell: kaio: 那今天说什么？ [10:06pm] gcell: kaio: 我刚刚问了又没人答 [10:06pm] liuhongdan: 邪恶 [10:06pm] pys8302 left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [10:06pm] kaio: （更改每週聚會日：由週五晚改成週六晚。） [10:06pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 聚会时间定在只要在五，六，日，哪天都行 [10:07pm] pys83021: 进这里面需要邀请？？ [10:07pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 好的，我會發到列表。 [10:07pm] liuhongdan: pys83021: 不需要 [10:07pm] kaio: pys83021: 不用，不過第一貼好像要審核。 [10:08pm] kaio: #action kaio 會在郵件列表發一貼，看誰星期六不能來，再比較看看哪一天可取。 [10:08pm] pys8302 joined the chat room. [10:08pm] kaio: 好下個主題。 [10:08pm] pys8302: 唉 [10:08pm] pys8302 left the chat room. [10:08pm] liuhongdan: 唉啥 [10:09pm] CyrusYzGTt: liuhongdan§ pys8302都走了。。。 [10:09pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 继续。。。 [10:09pm] MeaCulpa left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [10:09pm] liuhongdan: 那你知道他在爱莎么？ [10:09pm] kaio: #topic 停止 googlegroup 的郵件列表服務：改成唯讀，作為存檔 [10:09pm] liuhongdan: 这个，同意 [10:10pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 额，我个人无所谓，看大家的意见， [10:11pm] liuhongdan: 不要无所谓啊，要表态啊 [10:12pm] pys83021 left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [10:12pm] allblue: ms这个要翻墙才能看吧 [10:12pm] kaio: FP 的運作工常了，googlegroup 的那邊都沒有新貼，應該是時候了。 [10:12pm] allblue: 下午试了下没连上 [10:12pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 我觉得可以把googlegroup 的郵件列表服務当成文档使用，把需要备份和留低公示....的放在 [10:12pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 我觉得可以把googlegroup 的郵件列表服務当成文档使用，把需要备份和留低公示....的发到googlegroup [10:13pm] yshao left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [10:14pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 三種方案：1 關掉 2 唯讀 3 只給予從 fp 列表到 googlegroups 列表的轉發。 [10:14pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 还有只设定那几个发 [10:14pm] kaio: 1 不人道 [10:14pm] kaio: 3 有難度，也沒有人會回去看公示。 [10:14pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 额，，，我选 3... 你学腾讯啊，搞3选1... [10:15pm] kaio: 2 只需要一個按鍵 [10:15pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 想方法 3 選 1 比較實際 [10:15pm] BadGirl left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection) [10:16pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 嗯，那就3,，这样可以让普通大众搜索到。。也可以让除中国大陆外的人知道咋们干嘛 [10:17pm] kaio: 要 googlegroup 存檔與否影響不大，網上不少地方會把 mailing list 存檔。我們似乎不用大費周章去做。 [10:18pm] BadGirl joined the chat room. [10:18pm] kaio: 中國大陸以外的人，當然直接從 fp 列表就可以看到了。 [10:18pm] CyrusYzGTt: 也对，我觉得自己存档好点， [10:18pm] r0bertz left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [10:19pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 可是我搜索看到的是google的 [10:19pm] kaio: fp 算己的存檔了。 [10:19pm] kaio: s/己/自己/ [10:19pm] xielingyun__: fedoraproject.org的邮箱怎么登录 [10:20pm] kaio: xielingyun__: 那是郵件捷徑，郵件會轉發到你在 fas 填的郵件地址。 [10:20pm] CyrusYzGTt: xielingyun__§ 那个是转发邮箱来的，例如，你用gmail,通过fedoraproject.org 转发。。。 [10:20pm] kaio: 似乎這個也還沒有共識，還是得回到郵件列表再討論.. [10:20pm] xielingyun__: 哦，这样啊。。。 [10:20pm] r0bertz joined the chat room. [10:21pm] liuhongdan: 吃饭，一会看记录 [10:21pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 那就在讨论吧，下个星期继续 [10:21pm] CyrusYzGTt: 下个主题了吧？？？ [10:22pm] BadGirl left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection) [10:22pm] kaio: #action kaio 發到郵件列表，看如何處置前（googlegroups）郵件列表。 [10:22pm] kaio: #topic ux 被無良奸商利用：代表 QQ，設計成趕「360 vs qq」的話題 t-shirt 售賣。 [10:23pm] CyrusYzGTt: ...这个，我觉得应该联合所有的linux用户，以及厂商，和linux基金会去弄， [10:23pm] BadGirl joined the chat room. [10:24pm] John_Morgan: emacs irc怎么能识别繁体？ [10:24pm] kaio: http://linuxtoy.org/archives/protect-tux.html [10:24pm] BadGirl: [2010-11-05 18:50:59] Posted by p/ityonline@ubuntu-cnalready: 保卫 Tux — LinuxTOY [10:24pm] kaio: John_Morgan: install traditional chinese fonts? [10:25pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 我看过了。我还是那句话，这是Linux整个社区的事，我们只要做到本分，还有努力维护 [10:25pm] kaio: lovenemesis 發電郵給 tux 作者了，還沒有收到回覆。 [10:26pm] kaio: 下一步可能是找 linux.org ? [10:26pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 找rh，然后再找 linux.org [10:27pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: RH 貌似不管這個。 [10:28pm] kaio: 這個的話可以去找 lazyfai 或 rhe 問問。 [10:28pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 。。可是那样搞也会让RH的利益受损，我不相信，Rh会喜欢看到linux被搞死 [10:32pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 我不再清楚了。:) [10:32pm] allblue: 刚看了那件T-shirt, tux画得真不是一般的丑... [10:33pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ ..那这个话题，可以去ubuntu-cn讨论。，可惜我被屏蔽了。这个任务，呵呵，交给你来 [10:33pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 我也不是 ubuntu 人.. [10:34pm] kaio: 也是發到郵件列表看誰願意幫忙。 [10:34pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 你可以过去跟ee 或者 happy... 说的 [10:35pm] caoyu1099 joined the chat room. [10:36pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 哦，irc。 [10:36pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: okok... [10:36pm] kaio: 下個主題吧 [10:36pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ #ubuntu-cn [10:36pm] CyrusYzGTt: 嗯，继续 [10:37pm] kaio: #action 到 #ubuntu-cn 找 ee 或 happy 說 tux 被醜化的事。 [10:37pm] kaio: #topic 大使郵件列表的討論：kital 與人互噴，與某貢獻者暫退同時提出有關 RH 的立場問題。 [10:37pm] kaio: 這是兩件事 [10:38pm] caoyu1099: 讨论啥 [10:38pm] CyrusYzGTt: 1、社区基本上来去自由，除非是雇用关系。。。不好说 [10:38pm] gcell: 咦，草鱼 [10:39pm] kaio: kital 的是有關新委任 mentor 的事，另一個是某一位貢獻者暫退引起 rh 立場的討論。 [10:39pm] kaio: 先說 kital 那邊的。 [10:39pm] kaio: 事綠 kital 新近委任了幾位 ambassador mentor （大使導師） [10:39pm] lovenemesis joined the chat room. [10:39pm] lovenemesis was granted voice by ChanServ. [10:40pm] CyrusYzGTt: 2、我个人觉得RH已经给了，比较打的权限给fedora了，可是，貌似跟当今的发展，以及debian的影响，还有debian有而我们没有的包 [10:40pm] caoyu1099: 不知所云 [10:40pm] kaio: 在郵件列表上有人質疑他不經步驟 [10:40pm] pys8302 joined the chat room. [10:40pm] kaio: （lovenemesis 牛好） [10:40pm] lovenemesis: 大家好啊，来晚了，不好意思~ [10:40pm] BadGirl left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection) [10:41pm] BadGirl joined the chat room. [10:41pm] kaio: kital 解釋一切都只是 get things done，以人為本事情不一定要死板板。 [10:41pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 我认为只要是软件源问题，，，应该学学debian [10:42pm] pys8302 left the chat room. (Client Quit) [10:42pm] kaio: 然後大家就你一言我一語，然後大家同意禁言 24 小時冷靜一下。 [10:45pm] caoyu1099: 搞不懂 [10:45pm] • CyrusYzGTt 我建议，观望rh的回应，再作决定 [10:45pm] gorgoi joined the chat room. [10:45pm] kaio: 結果是 kital 決定退出選舉 famsco （fedora 大使推動貢獻者，協調大使的工作、經費等），表明自己本來是沒有 ambassador 等職位前早已在做相同的事，現在回歸那個時候做一樣的事而只保留 ambassador 一職。 [10:45pm] kaio: caoyu1099: 你要看郵件列表。 [10:47pm] kaio: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-November/015962.h… [10:47pm] BadGirl: [Ambassadors] New regional Ambassador Mentors [10:47pm] kaio: ^ 第一件事。 [10:48pm] kaio: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-November/016033.h… [10:48pm] BadGirl: [Ambassadors] Going passive [10:48pm] kaio: ^ 第二件事。 [10:48pm] kaio: 第二件事帶出了 rh 跟 fedora 關係問題。 [10:49pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 你觀望 rh 回應哪一件事？ tux？ambassador（第一件事）？暫退（第二件事）？ [10:50pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 就是rh与fedora的关系问题 [10:50pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 第一件事，来去自由，我不管她 [10:51pm] gcell: rh现在和fedora什么关系了？ [10:51pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 大家也說來去是他自由 [10:52pm] kaio: 只是大家對 rh 授與受的比例，有着不一樣的看法。 [10:52pm] kaio: gcell: 跟以前一樣的關係： [10:53pm] CyrusYzGTt: gcell§ 试验场 [10:53pm] kaio: 1. Fedora 有 rh 的員工，也有非 rh 的人。 [10:53pm] gcell: kaio: 有什么不一样的看法？ [10:53pm] BadGirl left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection) [10:54pm] CyrusYzGTt: gcell§ 就是想像debian那样，有庞大的软件源和更大的自由支配 [10:54pm] John_Morgan left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection) [10:54pm] kaio: 2. RH 有負責 Fedora 基礎設施的人，像 mchua, pfrields 還有一些曾任或現任 Fedora 要職的人，例如 Fedora Project Leader。 [10:54pm] yshao joined the chat room. [10:54pm] yshao was granted voice by ChanServ. [10:55pm] BadGirl joined the chat room. [10:55pm] gcell: CyrusYzGTt: 哦，这个要出钱的事情，不好说 [10:55pm] CyrusYzGTt: gcell§ 我也觉得， [10:55pm] John_Morgan joined the chat room. [10:55pm] gcell: CyrusYzGTt: 人家好歹也是上市公司，能省一分钱就省一分钱 [10:55pm] kaio: 3. RH 對 Fedora 沒有絕對控制權，不過某程度上前者對後者影響力是可觀察到的。 [10:55pm] John_Morgan left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection) [10:56pm] CyrusYzGTt: gcell§ .. [10:56pm] gcell: fedora受RH赞助，被支配也是正常的 [10:56pm] gcell: kaio: 我记得你好像也是RH的员工啊 [10:57pm] kaio: gcell: 沒有完全支配，不過 Fedora 一些運作過程會被 RH 的員工影響。 [10:57pm] John_Morgan joined the chat room. [10:57pm] kaio: gcell: 「前」員工。 [10:57pm] gcell: kaio: 差不多了，关键职位都在掌握之中 [10:58pm] cocoleo joined the chat room. [10:58pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 就好像那个什么SQL黑客工具不能进入源那样？？？ [10:58pm] John_Morgan left the chat room. (Client Quit) [10:58pm] kaio: 舉個例子，之前這裏有位翻譯的朋友要找 RH 翻譯討論，最後沒有成功。 [10:58pm] gcell: 完全支配也没什么嘛，RH赞助Fedora [10:58pm] gcell: 还不是正常的 [10:59pm] kaio: 或者一些社區翻譯成果被 RH 員工暴力覆蓋了。（這個我沒有確切證據，對不起）。 [10:59pm] Cumulo741 joined the chat room. [11:00pm] CyrusYzGTt: ....所以，我只翻译简单的 [11:00pm] gbraad: hello [11:00pm] CyrusYzGTt: gbraad§ hello ,welcome [11:00pm] superjet_busy: 白鼠自然要自己控制住才好使，太正常了 [11:00pm] gcell: RH在我看来一直跟共产国际差不多 [11:00pm] kaio: 還有文件翻譯的優先度會被 RHEL 的流程影響，Fedora 社區翻譯得到的工作優先改變，只是為了方便 RHEL 的推出。 [11:00pm] gcell: 包括什么fedora委员会，嗯 [11:01pm] John_Morgan joined the chat room. [11:01pm] gbraad: kaio: nice to be here again [11:01pm] MeaCulpa1: RHEL... 想下个包都不知道去哪里找 [11:02pm] kaio: （以上翻譯的傳言，我也只是道聽途說；準確度多少，我不能保證。） [11:02pm] lovenemesis: gbraad: nice to see you here, again [11:02pm] kaio: gbraad: hehe, its half way of meeting already [11:02pm] kaio: lovenemesis: and again [11:02pm] gbraad: kaio: I know, can't help it... need a new job! [11:03pm] kaio: MeaCulpa1: rhel 還想下包？src.rpm? [11:03pm] gbraad: oops, that will be in the meeting log. oh well! [11:03pm] lovenemesis: kaio: i guess the anaconda po fits the issus you talked [11:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: MeaCulpa1§ 用fpel [11:03pm] MeaCulpa1: kaio: 不是，binary 包 [11:03pm] kaio: gbraad: oh, i am fully understand; I will get mad if I work in China just like you [11:03pm] MeaCulpa1: 我只是帮用户写个装oracle的脚本 [11:03pm] gbraad: lovenemesis probably took good care of the situation during my absence [11:04pm] kaio: gbraad: no offence, the China management way is just a piece of ship [11:04pm] gcell: gbraad: 晚上好 [11:04pm] • gbraad in general agrees [11:04pm] kaio: MeaCulpa1: 不付錢要下 bin 包，你以為 rh 是慈善機構？ [11:05pm] gcell: 出去抽了根烟就来了个老外，囧 [11:05pm] lovenemesis: kaio: a ship? Hmm, the one in opening ceremony of Asian Games... [11:05pm] • gbraad will observe the talk. [11:05pm] kaio: gbraad: he had been doing well [11:05pm] ACTom joined the chat room. [11:05pm] liuhongdan: gcell: 你的烟抽的是时候啊 [11:05pm] gbraad: gcell: 谢谢 [11:05pm] kaio: gcell: 你去抽雪茄可能還會出現外國美女 [11:05pm] liuhongdan: gbraad: 晚上好 [11:06pm] gcell: liuhongdan: 嘿嘿 [11:06pm] lovenemesis: gcell: 你能把 gbraad 抽来，有功啦~ [11:06pm] liuhongdan: 估计雪茄，gcell会扛不住的 [11:06pm] liuhongdan: rhe? [11:06pm] kaio: lovenemesis: 我不想打髒話而已。 [11:06pm] liuhongdan: 国内mm [11:06pm] gcell: liangsuilong的qq中毒了，天天给我发中奖信息 [11:07pm] liuhongdan: liangsuilong在看亚运会开幕式么？ [11:07pm] lovenemesis: kaio: we all understand [11:07pm] gbraad: liuhongdan: you too [11:07pm] gcell: lovenemesis: 不敢当，呵呵，晚上好，刚刚ubuntu-cn那边还有人找你 [11:07pm] CyrusYzGTt: ...不用qq一段世间了，linux的浏览器不能正常登录 [11:07pm] liuhongdan: [11:07pm] liuhongdan: CyrusYzGTt: 咋不能登录？ [11:07pm] MeaCulpa1: kaio: ... [11:07pm] gcell: CyrusYzGTt: web可以登录啊，我昨天还试了的 [11:08pm] allblue: 我也是, webqq登录时出不来验证码 [11:08pm] MeaCulpa1: 诅咒RedHat被Oracle收购 [11:08pm] liuhongdan: 有时候没有验证码啊 [11:08pm] lovenemesis: gcell: 哦？神奇，为啥会在那边有人找我…… [11:08pm] liuhongdan: 不用输入也行 [11:08pm] MeaCulpa1: 或者被VMWare收购 [11:08pm] CyrusYzGTt: liuhongdan§ 嗯，用firefox或者google-chrome或出现公告。。。 [11:08pm] gcell: lovenemesis: happyron找你，嗯 [11:08pm] gcell: lovenemesis: 我把你gtalk给他了 [11:08pm] lovenemesis: allblue: 没有吧，ff4b7 和 chrome 9 都很正常的~ [11:08pm] allblue: 可是鼠标移上去有反应, 变成手形 [11:09pm] lovenemesis: gcell: 原来如此，已经加他 GT 了~ [11:09pm] allblue: 最早f13下还可用, 后来就不行了, 升到14还是一样.. [11:09pm] kaio: 反正個人經驗，我待 RH 的時候，為 Fedora 的貢獻沒有被視為比對源碼的貢獻更為重要；「影響更多人以獲得倍數成果」的概念被無情忽略，就這樣而已。 [11:10pm] liuhongdan: 开幕式在拱门下唱歌 [11:11pm] liuhongdan: 一曲结束，大家欢呼 [11:11pm] caoyu1099: 亚运会开幕式？ [11:11pm] liuhongdan: 现在特技表演 [11:12pm] gcell: 家人在看，我没看 [11:12pm] liuhongdan: 原来开幕式在水边啊 [11:12pm] liuhongdan: 游艇特技 [11:13pm] liuhongdan: 是珠江啊 [11:13pm] CyrusYzGTt: 。。。没有主题了，那endmeeting了吧??? [11:13pm] gcell: 没意思，都是浮华 [11:13pm] liuhongdan: 浮云。 [11:13pm] gcell: 不不不 [11:13pm] liuhongdan: 打个便车，统计一下，有没有参加聚会的？ [11:13pm] gcell: 浮华有未尽之意 [11:13pm] kaio: 根據個人經驗，私下的結論是：APAC 分部沒有總部的遠見，管理層把 Fedora 視為次要的東西、 Fedora 外在貢獻者視為次等的人。我想這樣不同意公司文化的現象，引致社區發展出現地區性障礙。 [11:13pm] gcell: 浮华背后啊…… [11:13pm] liuhongdan: 列表就那么几个人跟来跟去的 [11:14pm] CyrusYzGTt: 我支持用浮云这个词 [11:14pm] lovenemesis: 其实我还挺想去 RH APAC 市场部的…… [11:14pm] liuhongdan: 同意kaio [11:14pm] allblue: kaio, 看你的说法, fedora产景不妙啊 [11:14pm] liuhongdan: 运动员出场了 [11:14pm] gcell: 所以说是共产国际嘛 [11:14pm] xielingyun__ left the chat room. (Quit: Page closed) [11:14pm] allblue: kaio: 这种做法肯定拼不过ubuntu啊 [11:14pm] liuhongdan: 阿富汗 [11:15pm] kaio: lovenemesis: 你來負責把 tux 被盜用的事傳到 ubuntu－cn 去吧 [11:15pm] liuhongdan: 除了ubuntu外，那个发行版不是这样？ [11:15pm] liuhongdan: 大家都一样 [11:15pm] gcell: 跟博古之流一个德行 [11:15pm] kaio: allblue: 就是。 [11:15pm] liuhongdan: allblue: 的观点，我不同意 [11:16pm] allblue: kaio: 虽然我是先接触的ubuntu, 不过还是觉得fedora用起来更舒服 [11:16pm] lovenemesis: kaio: 已然传送，Aron Xu 兄已经提交给 Debian 法律组 [11:16pm] liuhongdan: 专注做企业市场，和专注做用户体验，完全不同 [11:16pm] John_Morgan: if fedora is the same as ubuntu, I wouldn't use it. [11:16pm] kaio: 總之，不要把 RH 看得太重就是，自力其力才是硬道理。 [11:17pm] liuhongdan: John_Morgan: Morgan freeman? [11:17pm] kaio: 自食其力 [11:17pm] allblue: 我并不是说fedora不如ubuntu, 只是就kaio的说法看来, rh的做法不是很利于fedora发展而已 [11:17pm] caoyu1099: 支持自力更生 [11:17pm] John_Morgan: liuhongdan: no. [11:17pm] liuhongdan: John_Morgan: [11:17pm] caoyu1099: 自由很重要 [11:17pm] gcell: 没钱、没资源空谈什么自由 [11:18pm] allblue: 这就是社区软件的悲哀 [11:18pm] kaio: allblue: 你的感覺可能只是對 rpm 舒服，而不是對 fedora 舒服；而且那可能只是用久了習慣，而不是 rpm/fedora 有多好。 [11:18pm] liuhongdan: John_Morgan: I like Morgan freeman's voice. like in <redemption of shawshank> [11:18pm] caoyu1099: 束缚太大，也不行 [11:18pm] liuhongdan: 香港队出场了 [11:19pm] allblue: kaio: 这个和rpm没有多大关系了, 我只是很喜欢fedora的蓝色主题, 呵呵 [11:19pm] CyrusYzGTt: John_Morgan§ 现在也可以 dpkg/fedora [11:19pm] allblue: kaio: 另外就是用ubuntu时总觉得很卡, fedora就没这个问题 [11:19pm] kaio: allblue: 我是愛橙色的 [11:19pm] gcell: 国内的fedora社区如果整合得好，也不是运作不起来，不过现在看来，基本上没什么进展 [11:20pm] caoyu1099: 国内fedora社区人气不行啊 [11:20pm] kaio: gcell: 這裏就是要做整合的角色 [11:20pm] allblue: gcell: 这个远比不上ubuntu社区了 [11:20pm] lovenemesis: 实际上 fedora 还是有 RH 的员工主导的 [11:20pm] gcell: 现在fedora在国内的发展，可以利用的资源还是不少，但是人才太单薄了，方方面面都缺人 [11:20pm] allblue: 因为是实验场, 所以rh要控制 [11:21pm] [aleph] joined the chat room. [11:21pm] caoyu1099: 跟ubuntu有很大差距 [11:21pm] John_Morgan: liuhongdan: and <Seven>. [11:21pm] kaio: 郵件列表有人提過：只要一天 fedora project leader 一定要是 rh 的人，就不會有機會成功。 [11:21pm] kaio: （差不多的意思） [11:21pm] gcell: 首先缺一个强力的、懂中国的、有器量的领导人 [11:22pm] liuhongdan: John_Morgan: [11:22pm] gcell: 其次缺少几个核心的开发者 [11:22pm] kaio: gcell: 你說 fedora 領導人？ [11:22pm] lovenemesis: allblue: 这点我个人不同意，ubuntu 运营社区的方式实际上是一种管理客户的方式 [11:22pm] gcell: 再次，缺少一批中层技术骨干 [11:22pm] lovenemesis: allblue: 并不是管理贡献者 [11:22pm] gcell: 其实，现在服务器这些资源倒是不怎么缺 [11:22pm] John_Morgan: Fedora is more Linux, Ubuntu is more Windows, to me... [11:23pm] gcell: kaio: 我说的是中国地区的fedora领导人 [11:23pm] allblue: lovenemesis: 我的意思是ubuntu社区资源相当丰富, 人气也很足 [11:23pm] kaio: gcell: 中國地區的 fedora 都沒有像樣的組織 [11:23pm] liuhongdan: 看着你们的热心，我想到了一个词，中国的脊梁！ [11:23pm] allblue: lovenemesis: 我最早接触ubuntu大概是它的5.10左右吧, 那时还派发光盘 [11:23pm] kaio: gcell: 可悲的說，除了我們還有誰嗎？gbraad 能告訴我嗎？ [11:23pm] caoyu1099: 在人气方面fedora比ubuntu差的很远 [11:24pm] allblue: lovenemesis: 有问题都可以在社区里找到答案 [11:24pm] gcell: kaio: 我提过多少回了，提到我都心灰意冷了 [11:24pm] allblue: 不过我觉得fedora做桌面不比ubuntu差啊 [11:24pm] allblue: 为什么份额差那么多 [11:25pm] caoyu1099: 纳闷 [11:25pm] allblue: 是否就是因为用得人多所以越来越多 [11:25pm] lovenemesis: allblue: 有一些差距，Ubuntu 是一个活跃的用户论坛，但是里面还是缺乏活跃的开发者团体 [11:25pm] kaio: 我也聽說過的看法是「ubuntu－cn」只是人多，沒有縱向的擴展，都是初級用戶。 [11:25pm] gcell: allblue: 领头羊不一样 [11:25pm] lovenemesis: kaio: 握手，我就是这个意思 [11:25pm] kaio: 我不同意。人多自然會出牛人。 [11:25pm] liuhongdan: 呃，我觉得你们这么比不对。我同意kaio的看法 [11:26pm] gcell: kaio: 人多自然出牛人，这个非常正确，因为走上了良性循环 [11:26pm] liuhongdan: u发展的大多是初级用户，当然这些用户会成长。但是他们最后会不会转变，难说 [11:26pm] allblue: 那fedora算不算恶性循环 [11:26pm] liuhongdan: u可能是做嫁衣了 [11:26pm] allblue: 现在新手选版本时, 都是首选ubuntu [11:26pm] gcell: 我一直尝试通过fedora-zh论坛的建立，树立面向初级用户的良性循环 [11:26pm] liuhongdan: 老手呢 [11:27pm] caoyu1099: fedora-zh论坛有待改善啊 [11:27pm] allblue: 照这个势头发展, 以后fedora用户量很难说啊 [11:27pm] gcell: allblue: 别操这个心 [11:27pm] gcell: allblue: 都是linux，优胜劣汰很正常 [11:27pm] caoyu1099: 日薄西山 [11:27pm] liuhongdan: ubuntu一直在给大家做义务教育，可敬啊 [11:27pm] superjet_busy: 没有基数就没有大起色的说，起码我身边fc基本绝迹的说 [11:27pm] allblue: gcell: 这倒是, [11:28pm] gcell: allblue: 我刚开始也像你这样，后来就淡定了 [11:28pm] allblue: gcell: 不过我用过的所有linux发行版中, 还是fedora用起来最爽 [11:28pm] liuhongdan: 我身边也没有 [11:28pm] allblue: gcell: 万一哪天fedora没了,还真不知道该换什么... [11:28pm] lovenemesis: 我的意思就是 Ubuntu 在将用户转向贡献者方面，鼓励的不够 [11:28pm] gcell: allblue: arch和ubuntu都不错，嗯 [11:29pm] liuhongdan: gcell: lovenemesis .... -_-! [11:29pm] liuhongdan: allblue: -_-! [11:29pm] lovenemesis: 或者说，在向用户普及自由软件的思想方面 [11:29pm] allblue: gcell: arc没用过, ubuntu一直用不惯, 从5.10到10, 都不爽... [11:29pm] lovenemesis: Ubuntu 目前给更多的用户的概念的“另外一个免费的操作系统” [11:29pm] liuhongdan: 一个吸收普通用户，一个吸收程序员级用户的 [11:30pm] liuhongdan: 这是我们经理的话 [11:30pm] kaio: fedora 只是 beta 的東西。rh 對 fedora 像養牲畜，給吃給住你給我快高長大，我拿你的奶你的肉去賣（賣 rhel 服務）；canonical 對 ubuntu 像親生兒，給吃給住還免費供書教學（免費客服），長大了還給零用錢（免費派光盤）。 [11:30pm] lovenemesis: 而单纯靠这一点，是无法维持一个开源社区的运转的 [11:30pm] gcell: allblue: 那可能是因为你接触Linux还不久，不深入，久了就没有门户之见了 [11:30pm] liuhongdan: 同意gcell的忘我境界 [11:31pm] gcell: 囧…… [11:31pm] allblue: gcell: 我还差得很远,努力ing [11:31pm] lovenemesis: gcell: 我目前不太待见 Ubuntu 的去 Linux 化倾向 [11:31pm] liuhongdan: 手中无linux，心中有linux [11:31pm] • gbraad just got disconnected from my desktop in the Netherlands! [11:31pm] [aleph]: 插一句周日北京聚会啥主题 [11:31pm] kaio: liuhongdan: 這樣就沒有普通用戶成為程序員用戶的正面效果。 [11:31pm] liuhongdan: [aleph]: 主题太多 [11:32pm] gcell: lovenemesis: 不用管他化妆成啥样，总之状卸了那还是一个人就行 [11:32pm] [aleph]: liuhongdan, 那就是随便聊天啦？ [11:32pm] liuhongdan: kaio: 该成为程序员的始终会成为的。会自力更生的成为的 [11:33pm] liuhongdan: [aleph]: 有顺序主题。自我介绍，gbraad介绍，然后展示，好玩的什么的，拷贝电影啥的 [11:33pm] allblue: 倒想学学gtk编程, 复习c中 [11:33pm] gbraad: gcell, kaio: Fedora is badly represented in China. Even by RH's office... almost no support until now! [11:33pm] liuhongdan: 讲笑话什么的，茶话会 [11:34pm] lovenemesis: gbraad: agree [11:34pm] MeaCulpa1 left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:34pm] lovenemesis: Fedora 中国的现状和 RH APAC 的无视有关 [11:34pm] gcell: gbraad: +1 [11:35pm] liuhongdan was granted voice by ChanServ. [11:35pm] gcell: 喜欢乱指挥比no support更讨厌 [11:35pm] lovenemesis: RH APAC 在这里只是把 RHEL 当商品卖，没有任何开源理念的宣传普及 [11:35pm] kaio: 隨便了。愛 fedora 的話，就專心自己的部分；rh apac 如何看待 fedora in china 是他們的事，我要協助會直接找美國的 mchua_afk 他們。 [11:35pm] pl_014 left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [11:35pm] gbraad: I have talked quite often with the office, but only with the people from Singapore [11:35pm] pl_014_ joined the chat room. [11:35pm] pl_014_ is now known as pl_014. [11:35pm] lovenemesis: 同时订阅下 RH APAC 和 RH Europe 的邮件就知道了 [11:36pm] kaio: lovenemesis: 外部可訂閱嗎？ [11:36pm] lovenemesis: RH APAC 只有产品促销什么，RH Europe 经常有各种技术 Webniar [11:36pm] gbraad: yshao is still on my list to talk to, but they report to NC and have not much to do with the APAC area] [11:37pm] lovenemesis: kaio: 可以啊……每次活动 Twitter 上都有说，然后按链接点进去注册就行了…… [11:37pm] gbraad: liuhongdan: I will probably not be there on Sunday. Someone in the family died [11:37pm] kaio: NC? [11:37pm] gbraad: Raleigh, NC [11:37pm] lovenemesis: gbraad: OMG, sorry to hear that [11:37pm] yshao: what are we talking about now? [11:37pm] gbraad: not direct relative, but still family comes over from abroad. [11:38pm] liuhongdan: gbraad: sorry to hear that too. [11:38pm] kaio: gbraad: condolence [11:38pm] gbraad: thanks [11:38pm] allblue: gbraad: sorry to hear that [11:38pm] lovenemesis: gbraad: condolence [11:38pm] caoyu1099 left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving.) [11:39pm] CyrusYzGTt: gbraad§ 节哀，愿上帝与你同在 [11:39pm] gbraad: at least it is a way to see my family from America again :-s [11:39pm] liuhongdan: gbraad: hope to see you next meeting. [11:39pm] gbraad: yshao: about the support for Fedora from RH. Would be nice if we can sit down once and talk about this. [11:40pm] gbraad: yshao: also still want ot meet and talk with h[4~arish about this [11:41pm] lovenemesis: gbraad: I ask remote live broadcasting when you guys are talking about this. [11:41pm] gcell: gbraad: sorry to hear that [11:41pm] liuhongdan: gbraad: I'll introduce you to others in the meeting, OK? [11:41pm] lovenemesis: 话说今晚 rhe 呢…… [11:42pm] gbraad: liuhingdan: Thanks [11:42pm] liuhongdan: [11:42pm] lovenemesis: liuhongdan: take photos of the meeting, ok? [11:42pm] liuhongdan: 中华台湾... [11:42pm] kaio: lovenemesis: there are some free online streaming services? [11:42pm] liuhongdan: lovenemesis: 没问题 [11:42pm] gbraad: maybe, I can be there... depends on the family if they can come over for the funeral. else i will be there [11:42pm] liuhongdan: ok [11:43pm] gbraad: thanks already for understanding [11:43pm] BadGirl left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection) [11:43pm] liuhongdan: CyrusYzGTt: 调节了提示符,成为了§? [11:43pm] lovenemesis: kaio: err, haven't think that far. leave it to gbraad [11:43pm] CyrusYzGTt: liuhongdan§ 用xchat改的 [11:43pm] kaio: lovenemesis: sure sure [11:44pm] gbraad: lovenemsis: I didn't have recent contact with rhe. maybe we should do so again! [11:44pm] • CyrusYzGTt 要#endmeeting吗？ [11:44pm] BadGirl joined the chat room. [11:44pm] gbraad: kaio: i like streaming, but probably more useful for a release party [11:45pm] liuhongdan: rhe莫非在加班？ [11:45pm] Guest2337 joined the chat room. [11:45pm] kaio: gbraad: once we grow into physical meetings w/ presentations, we could do it [11:46pm] Guest2337 left the chat room. [11:46pm] gbraad: at least I will representing Fedora in the MeeGo Beijing Network [11:46pm] gbraad: [11:46pm] lovenemesis: maybe you guys can use Cheese to record the meeting and uploaded somewhere [11:46pm] lovenemesis: [11:46pm] liuhongdan: ... [11:47pm] liuhongdan: 你们搞的太严肃了...，晕 [11:47pm] lovenemesis: i don't mind turning on the Hulk mode, really [11:48pm] CyrusYzGTt: #endmeeting ----- meeting ends ----- -- Caius 'kaio' Chance Fedora Project Contributor - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kaio [IRC] kaio @ freenode | [Twitter] @K410 | [Blog] kaio.net

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[FZH] dong day wants to chat
by dong day 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

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