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在 2010年11月12日 下午10:27,Hexchain Tong <richard0053(a)gmail.xn--com>:-0s6m5392c
2010/11/12 Caius 'kaio' Chance
<kaio(a)fedoraproject.org>:
> 因� bot 好像�有��,所以把 log �出�。
>
> ----- meeting starts -----
> CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ hi,我已经#startmeeting了,你出个主题吧
> [9:58pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 我在列表�了主�
> [9:58pm] xielingyun__: gcell: gcell大神
> [9:58pm] kaio: 黑白在�
> [9:58pm] pys8302 joined the chat room.
> [9:59pm] * kaio 翻�件中
> [9:59pm] kaio: # [lovenemesis] 更改每�聚�日:由�五晚改成�六晚。
> [9:59pm] kaio: # [liangsuilong] 停止 googlegroup 的�件列表服�:改成唯�,作�存�。
> [9:59pm] kaio: # [lovenemesis] Tux 被�良奸商利用:代表 QQ,��成�「360 vs qq」的��
t-shirt
> 售�。
> [9:59pm] kaio: # [kaio] 大使�件列表的��:kital �人互�,�某��者�退同�提出有� RH 的立���。
> [9:59pm] kaio: # [kaio] 中文大使�:gbraad � kaio 成� mentor 及工作����。
> [10:00pm] kaio: 梁牛在�? liuhongdan
> [10:00pm] kaio: liuhongdan: sorry wrong ping
> [10:01pm] kaio: #topic 更改每�聚�日:由�五晚改成�六晚。
> [10:01pm] gcell: xielingyun__: ......请不要拔高我,kaio hers 这几位才是大神,我只是普通用户......
> [10:01pm] CyrusYzGTt: xielingyun__§ 我也是普通用户
> [10:01pm] gcell: xielingyun__: 好久莫看到你了
> [10:01pm] xielingyun__: 最近比较忙。。。
> [10:01pm] gcell: mentor是什么?
> [10:01pm] pys8302: 问一下,fedora 14 硬盘安装有成功过的吗??
> [10:01pm] xielingyun__: menter就是师傅
> [10:01pm] gcell: 我是升级的
> [10:01pm] pys8302: 问一下,fedora 14 硬盘安装有成功过的吗??
> [10:01pm] gcell: xielingyun__: 哦,明白了
> [10:01pm] liuhongdan: kaio: ...................
> [10:01pm] xielingyun__: 我的笔记本用liveusb总是启动不起来
> [10:01pm] gcell: liuhongdan: dandan,晚上好
> [10:01pm] xielingyun__: 以后就是kaio师傅,hers师傅
> [10:01pm] liuhongdan: gcell: 周末好
> [10:01pm] pys8302: xielingyun__:我的也是,到了画面就死机了
> [10:01pm] CyrusYzGTt: pys8302§ 用 sudo pregrade-cli 'Fedora 14
"Laughlin"'
-y
> [10:01pm] liuhongdan: kaio师,hers师
> [10:02pm] MeaCulpa joined the chat room.
> [10:02pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio师,hers师
> [10:02pm] xielingyun__: 我这个在台式上都不行
> [10:02pm] gcell: liuhongdan: 我已经没有周末的概念了
> [10:02pm] liuhongdan: gcell: 练习太极
> [10:02pm] kaio: #meetingname fedora 中文用�� 2010 年 11 月 12 日聚�
> [10:02pm] zodbot: The meeting name has been set to
> 'fedora_中文用��_2010_年_11_月_12_日聚�'
> [10:03pm] gcell: 今晚讨论什么?
> [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: ....
> [10:03pm] kaio: #topic 更改每�聚�日:由�五晚改成�六晚。
> [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: <kaio> # [lovenemesis] 更改每�聚�日:由�五晚改成�六晚。
> [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: <kaio> # [liangsuilong] 停止 googlegroup
> 的�件列表服�:改成唯�,作�存�。
> [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: <kaio> # [lovenemesis] Tux 被�良奸商利用:代表 QQ,��成�「360
vs
> qq」的�� t-shirt 售�。
> [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: <kaio> # [kaio] 大使�件列表的��:kital �人互�,�某��者�退同�提出有�
RH
> 的立���。
> [10:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: <kaio> # [kaio] 中文大使�:gbraad � kaio 成� mentor
及工作����。
> [10:03pm] xielingyun__: 周五都六对我来说没啥区别
> [10:03pm] allblue left the chat room. (Quit: 离开)
> [10:04pm] gcell: kital �人互�,�某��者�退同�提出有� RH 的立���--------》这个是什么?
> [10:04pm] allblue joined the chat room.
> [10:04pm] liuhongdan: gcell: 需要看邮件列表原文才知啊
> [10:05pm] kaio: 我�在�件列表�一�,看�星期六不能�;再比�看看哪一天可取,好像有人�末回家反而不能�。
> [10:05pm] gcell: liuhongdan: 你没发现后半句有很严重的歧义么?
> [10:05pm] pys83021 joined the chat room.
> [10:05pm] liuhongdan: gcell: 大体是kital竞选时发现一切都是RH的暗箱操作,且商业利益为先,于是大为光火,决定退出
> [10:05pm] kaio: gcell: �留到主�才��。��。
> [10:05pm] MeaCulpa1 joined the chat room.
> [10:05pm] kaio: liuhongdan: 不�
> [10:06pm] liuhongdan: 一会请kaio师指正
> [10:06pm] gcell: kaio: 那今天说什么?
> [10:06pm] gcell: kaio: 我刚刚问了又没人答
> [10:06pm] liuhongdan: 邪恶
> [10:06pm] pys8302 left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
> [10:06pm] kaio: (更改每�聚�日:由�五晚改成�六晚。)
> [10:06pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 聚会时间定在只要在五,六,日,哪天都行
> [10:07pm] pys83021: 进这里面需要邀请??
> [10:07pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 好的,我��到列表。
> [10:07pm] liuhongdan: pys83021: 不需要
> [10:07pm] kaio: pys83021: 不用,不�第一�好像要�核。
> [10:08pm] kaio: #action kaio �在�件列表�一�,看�星期六不能�,再比�看看哪一天可取。
> [10:08pm] pys8302 joined the chat room.
> [10:08pm] kaio: 好下�主�。
> [10:08pm] pys8302: 唉
> [10:08pm] pys8302 left the chat room.
> [10:08pm] liuhongdan: 唉啥
> [10:09pm] CyrusYzGTt: liuhongdan§ pys8302都走了。。。
> [10:09pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 继续。。。
> [10:09pm] MeaCulpa left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
> [10:09pm] liuhongdan: 那你知道他在爱莎么?
> [10:09pm] kaio: #topic 停止 googlegroup 的�件列表服�:改成唯�,作�存�
> [10:09pm] liuhongdan: 这个,同意
> [10:10pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 额,我个人无所谓,看大家的意见,
> [10:11pm] liuhongdan: 不要无所谓啊,要表态啊
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> [10:12pm] allblue: ms这个要翻墙才能看吧
> [10:12pm] kaio: FP 的�作工常了,googlegroup 的那�都�有新�,��是�候了。
> [10:12pm] allblue: 下午试了下没连上
> [10:12pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 我觉得可以把googlegroup
> 的�件列表服�当成文档使用,把需要备份和留低公示....的放在
> [10:12pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 我觉得可以把googlegroup
> 的�件列表服�当成文档使用,把需要备份和留低公示....的发到googlegroup
> [10:13pm] yshao left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
> [10:14pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 三�方案:1 �掉 2 唯� 3 只�予� fp 列表到 googlegroups
列表的��。
> [10:14pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 还有只设定那几个发
> [10:14pm] kaio: 1 不人道
> [10:14pm] kaio: 3 有�度,也�有人�回去看公示。
> [10:14pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 额,,,我选 3... 你学腾讯啊,搞3选1...
> [10:15pm] kaio: 2 只需要一�按�
> [10:15pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 想方法 3 � 1 比���
> [10:15pm] BadGirl left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection)
> [10:16pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 嗯,那就3,,这样可以让普通大众搜索到。。也可以让除中国大陆外的人知道咋们干嘛
> [10:17pm] kaio: 要 googlegroup 存��否影�不大,�上不少地方�把 mailing list
> 存�。我�似乎不用大�周章去做。
> [10:18pm] BadGirl joined the chat room.
> [10:18pm] kaio: 中�大�以外的人,�然直接� fp 列表就可以看到了。
> [10:18pm] CyrusYzGTt: 也对,我觉得自己存档好点,
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> [10:19pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 可是我搜索看到的是google的
> [10:19pm] kaio: fp 算己的存�了。
> [10:19pm] kaio: s/己/自己/
> [10:19pm] xielingyun__: fedoraproject.org的邮箱怎么登录
> [10:20pm] kaio: xielingyun__: 那是�件捷�,�件���到你在 fas 填的�件地址。
> [10:20pm] CyrusYzGTt: xielingyun__§ 那个是转发邮箱来的,例如,你用gmail,通过
fedoraproject.org
> 转发。。。
> [10:20pm] kaio: 似乎��也��有共�,�是得回到�件列表再��..
> [10:20pm] xielingyun__: 哦,这样啊。。。
> [10:20pm] r0bertz joined the chat room.
> [10:21pm] liuhongdan: 吃饭,一会看记录
> [10:21pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 那就在讨论吧,下个星期继续
> [10:21pm] CyrusYzGTt: 下个主题了吧???
> [10:22pm] BadGirl left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection)
> [10:22pm] kaio: #action kaio �到�件列表,看如何�置前(googlegroups)�件列表。
> [10:22pm] kaio: #topic ux 被�良奸商利用:代表 QQ,��成�「360 vs qq」的�� t-shirt 售�。
> [10:23pm] CyrusYzGTt: ...这个,我觉得应该联合所有的linux用户,以及厂商,和linux基金会去弄,
> [10:23pm] BadGirl joined the chat room.
> [10:24pm] John_Morgan: emacs irc怎么能识别繁体?
> [10:24pm] kaio:
http://linuxtoy.org/archives/protect-tux.html
> [10:24pm] BadGirl: [2010-11-05 18:50:59] Posted by
> p/ityonline@ubuntu-cnalready: 保卫 Tux -- LinuxTOY
> [10:24pm] kaio: John_Morgan: install traditional chinese fonts?
> [10:25pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 我看过了。我还是那句话,这是Linux整个社区的事,我们只要做到本分,还有努力维护
> [10:25pm] kaio: lovenemesis ���� tux 作者了,��有收到回覆。
> [10:26pm] kaio: 下一步可能是找
linux.org ?
> [10:26pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 找rh,然后再找
linux.org
> [10:27pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: RH 貌似不管��。
> [10:28pm] kaio: ��的�可以去找 lazyfai 或 rhe ��。
> [10:28pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 。。可是那样搞也会让RH的利益受损,我不相信,Rh会喜欢看到linux被搞死
> [10:32pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 我不再清楚了。:)
> [10:32pm] allblue: 刚看了那件T-shirt, tux画得真不是一般的丑...
> [10:33pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ ..那这个话题,可以去ubuntu-cn讨论。,可惜我被屏蔽了。这个任务,呵呵,交给你来
> [10:33pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 我也不是 ubuntu 人..
> [10:34pm] kaio: 也是�到�件列表看��意�忙。
> [10:34pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 你可以过去跟ee 或者 happy... 说的
> [10:35pm] caoyu1099 joined the chat room.
> [10:36pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 哦,irc。
> [10:36pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: okok...
> [10:36pm] kaio: 下�主�吧
> [10:36pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ #ubuntu-cn
> [10:36pm] CyrusYzGTt: 嗯,继续
> [10:37pm] kaio: #action 到 #ubuntu-cn 找 ee 或 happy � tux 被�化的事。
> [10:37pm] kaio: #topic 大使�件列表的��:kital �人互�,�某��者�退同�提出有� RH 的立���。
> [10:37pm] kaio: �是�件事
> [10:38pm] caoyu1099: 讨论啥
> [10:38pm] CyrusYzGTt: 1、社区基本上来去自由,除非是雇用关系。。。不好说
> [10:38pm] gcell: 咦,草鱼
> [10:39pm] kaio: kital 的是有�新委任 mentor 的事,另一�是某一位��者�退引起 rh 立�的��。
> [10:39pm] kaio: 先� kital 那�的。
> [10:39pm] kaio: 事� kital 新近委任了�位 ambassador mentor (大使��)
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> [10:40pm] CyrusYzGTt:
> 2、我个人觉得RH已经给了,比较打的权限给fedora了,可是,貌似跟当今的发展,以及debian的影响,还有debian有而我们没有的包
> [10:40pm] caoyu1099: 不知所云
> [10:40pm] kaio: 在�件列表上有人�疑他不�步�
> [10:40pm] pys8302 joined the chat room.
> [10:40pm] kaio: (lovenemesis 牛好)
> [10:40pm] lovenemesis: 大家好啊,来晚了,不好意思~
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> [10:41pm] kaio: kital 解�一切都只是 get things done,以人�本事情不一定要死板板。
> [10:41pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 我认为只要是软件源 问题,,,应该学学debian
> [10:42pm] pys8302 left the chat room. (Client Quit)
> [10:42pm] kaio: 然後大家就你一言我一�,然後大家同意禁言 24 小�冷�一下。
> [10:45pm] caoyu1099: 搞不懂
> [10:45pm] * CyrusYzGTt 我建议,观望rh的回应,再作决定
> [10:45pm] gorgoi joined the chat room.
> [10:45pm] kaio: �果是 kital �定退出�� famsco (fedora
> 大使推���者,��大使的工作、��等),表明自己本�是�有 ambassador 等�位前早已在做相同的事,�在回�那��候做一�的事而只保留
> ambassador 一�。
> [10:45pm] kaio: caoyu1099: 你要看�件列表。
> [10:47pm] kaio:
>
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-November/015962...
> [10:47pm] BadGirl: [Ambassadors] New regional Ambassador Mentors
> [10:47pm] kaio: ^ 第一件事。
> [10:48pm] kaio:
>
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-November/016033...
> [10:48pm] BadGirl: [Ambassadors] Going passive
> [10:48pm] kaio: ^ 第二件事。
> [10:48pm] kaio: 第二件事�出了 rh 跟 fedora ����。
> [10:49pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 你�望 rh 回�哪一件事? tux?ambassador(第一件事)?�退(第二件事)?
> [10:50pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 就是rh与fedora的关系问题
> [10:50pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 第一件事,来去自由,我不管她
> [10:51pm] gcell: rh现在和fedora什么关系了?
> [10:51pm] kaio: CyrusYzGTt: 大家也��去是他自由
> [10:52pm] kaio: 只是大家� rh 授�受的比例,有着不一�的看法。
> [10:52pm] kaio: gcell: 跟以前一�的��:
> [10:53pm] CyrusYzGTt: gcell§ 试验场
> [10:53pm] kaio: 1. Fedora 有 rh 的�工,也有非 rh 的人。
> [10:53pm] gcell: kaio: 有什么不一样的看法?
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> [10:54pm] CyrusYzGTt: gcell§ 就是想像debian那样,有庞大的软件源和 更大的自由支配
> [10:54pm] John_Morgan left the chat room. (Remote host closed the
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> [10:54pm] kaio: 2. RH 有�� Fedora 基��施的人,像 mchua, pfrields �有一些曾任或�任
Fedora
> 要�的人,例如 Fedora Project Leader。
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> [10:55pm] gcell: CyrusYzGTt: 哦,这个要出钱的事情,不好说
> [10:55pm] CyrusYzGTt: gcell§ 我也觉得,
> [10:55pm] John_Morgan joined the chat room.
> [10:55pm] gcell: CyrusYzGTt: 人家好歹也是上市公司,能省一分钱就省一分钱
> [10:55pm] kaio: 3. RH � Fedora �有��控制�,不�某程度上前者�後者影�力是可�察到的。
> [10:55pm] John_Morgan left the chat room. (Remote host closed the
> connection)
> [10:56pm] CyrusYzGTt: gcell§ ..
> [10:56pm] gcell: fedora受RH赞助,被支配也是正常的
> [10:56pm] gcell: kaio: 我记得你好像也是RH的员工啊
> [10:57pm] kaio: gcell: �有完全支配,不� Fedora 一些�作�程�被 RH 的�工影�。
> [10:57pm] John_Morgan joined the chat room.
> [10:57pm] kaio: gcell: 「前」�工。
> [10:57pm] gcell: kaio: 差不多了,关键职位都在掌握之中
> [10:58pm] cocoleo joined the chat room.
> [10:58pm] CyrusYzGTt: kaio§ 就好像那个什么SQL黑客工具不能进入源那样???
> [10:58pm] John_Morgan left the chat room. (Client Quit)
> [10:58pm] kaio: ��例子,之前��有位翻�的朋友要找 RH 翻���,最後�有成功。
> [10:58pm] gcell: 完全支配也没什么嘛,RH赞助Fedora
> [10:58pm] gcell: 还不是正常的
> [10:59pm] kaio: 或者一些社�翻�成果被 RH �工暴力覆�了。(��我�有�切��,�不起)。
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> [11:00pm] CyrusYzGTt: ....所以,我只翻译简单的
> [11:00pm] gbraad: hello
> [11:00pm] CyrusYzGTt: gbraad§ hello ,welcome
> [11:00pm] superjet_busy: 白鼠自然要自己控制住才好使,太正常了
> [11:00pm] gcell: RH在我看来一直跟共产国际差不多
> [11:00pm] kaio: �有文件翻�的�先度�被 RHEL 的流程影�,Fedora 社�翻�得到的工作�先改�,只是�了方便 RHEL
> 的推出。
> [11:00pm] gcell: 包括什么fedora委员会,嗯
> [11:01pm] John_Morgan joined the chat room.
> [11:01pm] gbraad: kaio: nice to be here again
> [11:01pm] MeaCulpa1: RHEL... 想下个包都不知道去哪里找
> [11:02pm] kaio: (以上翻�的�言,我也只是道�途�;��度多少,我不能保�。)
> [11:02pm] lovenemesis: gbraad: nice to see you here, again
> [11:02pm] kaio: gbraad: hehe, its half way of meeting already
> [11:02pm] kaio: lovenemesis: and again
> [11:02pm] gbraad: kaio: I know, can't help it... need a new job!
> [11:03pm] kaio: MeaCulpa1: rhel �想下包?src.rpm?
> [11:03pm] gbraad: oops, that will be in the meeting log. oh well!
> [11:03pm] lovenemesis: kaio: i guess the anaconda po fits the issus you
> talked
> [11:03pm] CyrusYzGTt: MeaCulpa1§ 用fpel
> [11:03pm] MeaCulpa1: kaio: 不是,binary 包
> [11:03pm] kaio: gbraad: oh, i am fully understand; I will get mad if I
work
> in China just like you
> [11:03pm] MeaCulpa1: 我只是帮用户写个装oracle的脚本
> [11:03pm] gbraad: lovenemesis probably took good care of the situation
> during my absence
> [11:04pm] kaio: gbraad: no offence, the China management way is just a
piece
> of ship
> [11:04pm] gcell: gbraad: 晚上好
> [11:04pm] * gbraad in general agrees
> [11:04pm] kaio: MeaCulpa1: 不付�要下 bin 包,你以� rh 是慈善��?
> [11:05pm] gcell: 出去抽了根烟就来了个老外,�
> [11:05pm] lovenemesis: kaio: a ship? Hmm, the one in opening ceremony of
> Asian Games...
> [11:05pm] * gbraad will observe the talk.
> [11:05pm] kaio: gbraad: he had been doing well
> [11:05pm] ACTom joined the chat room.
> [11:05pm] liuhongdan: gcell: 你的烟抽的是时候啊
> [11:05pm] gbraad: gcell: 谢谢
> [11:05pm] kaio: gcell: 你去抽雪茄可能��出�外�美女
> [11:05pm] liuhongdan: gbraad: 晚上好
> [11:06pm] gcell: liuhongdan: 嘿嘿
> [11:06pm] lovenemesis: gcell: 你能把 gbraad 抽来,有功啦~
> [11:06pm] liuhongdan: 估计雪茄,gcell会扛不住的
> [11:06pm] liuhongdan: rhe?
> [11:06pm] kaio: lovenemesis: 我不想打��而已。
> [11:06pm] liuhongdan: 国内mm
> [11:06pm] gcell: liangsuilong的qq中毒了,天天给我发中奖信息
> [11:07pm] liuhongdan: liangsuilong在看亚运会开幕式么?
> [11:07pm] lovenemesis: kaio: we all understand
> [11:07pm] gbraad: liuhongdan: you too
> [11:07pm] gcell: lovenemesis: 不敢当,呵呵,晚上好,刚刚ubuntu-cn那边还有人找你
> [11:07pm] CyrusYzGTt: ...不用qq一段世间了,linux的浏览器不能正常登录
> [11:07pm] liuhongdan:
> [11:07pm] liuhongdan: CyrusYzGTt: 咋不能登录?
> [11:07pm] MeaCulpa1: kaio: ...
> [11:07pm] gcell: CyrusYzGTt: web可以登录啊,我昨天还试了的
> [11:08pm] allblue: 我也是, webqq登录时出不来验证码
> [11:08pm] MeaCulpa1: 诅咒RedHat被Oracle收购
> [11:08pm] liuhongdan: 有时候没有验证码啊
> [11:08pm] lovenemesis: gcell: 哦?神奇,为啥会在那边有人找我......
> [11:08pm] liuhongdan: 不用输入也行
> [11:08pm] MeaCulpa1: 或者被VMWare收购
> [11:08pm] CyrusYzGTt: liuhongdan§ 嗯,用firefox或者google-chrome或出现公告。。。
> [11:08pm] gcell: lovenemesis: happyron找你,嗯
> [11:08pm] gcell: lovenemesis: 我把你gtalk给他了
> [11:08pm] lovenemesis: allblue: 没有吧,ff4b7 和 chrome 9 都很正常的~
> [11:08pm] allblue: 可是鼠标移上去有反应, 变成手形
> [11:09pm] lovenemesis: gcell: 原来如此,已经加他 GT 了~
> [11:09pm] allblue: 最早f13下还可用, 后来就不行了, 升到14还是一样..
> [11:09pm] kaio: 反正�人��,我待 RH 的�候,� Fedora
> 的���有被��比�源�的��更�重要;「影�更多人以�得倍�成果」的概念被�情忽略,就��而已。
> [11:10pm] liuhongdan: 开幕式在拱门下唱歌
> [11:11pm] liuhongdan: 一曲结束,大家欢呼
> [11:11pm] caoyu1099: 亚运会开幕式?
> [11:11pm] liuhongdan: 现在特技表演
> [11:12pm] gcell: 家人在看,我没看
> [11:12pm] liuhongdan: 原来开幕式在水边啊
> [11:12pm] liuhongdan: 游艇特技
> [11:13pm] liuhongdan: 是珠江啊
> [11:13pm] CyrusYzGTt: 。。。没有主题了,那endmeeting了吧???
> [11:13pm] gcell: 没意思,都是浮华
> [11:13pm] liuhongdan: 浮云。
> [11:13pm] gcell: 不不不
> [11:13pm] liuhongdan: 打个便车,统计一下,有没有参加聚会的?
> [11:13pm] gcell: 浮华有未尽之意
> [11:13pm] kaio: 根��人��,私下的��是:APAC 分部�有�部的��,管理�把 Fedora ��次要的�西、 Fedora
> 外在��者��次等的人。我想��不同意公司文化的�象,引致社��展出�地�性障�。
> [11:13pm] gcell: 浮华背后啊......
> [11:13pm] liuhongdan: 列表就那么几个人跟来跟去的
> [11:14pm] CyrusYzGTt: 我支持用浮云这个词
> [11:14pm] lovenemesis: 其实我还挺想去 RH APAC 市场部的......
> [11:14pm] liuhongdan: 同意kaio
> [11:14pm] allblue: kaio, 看你的说法, fedora产景不妙啊
> [11:14pm] liuhongdan: 运动员出场了
> [11:14pm] gcell: 所以说是共产国际嘛
> [11:14pm] xielingyun__ left the chat room. (Quit: Page closed)
> [11:14pm] allblue: kaio: 这种做法肯定拼不过ubuntu啊
> [11:14pm] liuhongdan: 阿富汗
> [11:15pm] kaio: lovenemesis: 你���把 tux 被�用的事�到 ubuntu-cn 去吧
> [11:15pm] liuhongdan: 除了ubuntu外,那个发行版不是这样?
> [11:15pm] liuhongdan: 大家都一样
> [11:15pm] gcell: 跟博古之流一个德行
> [11:15pm] kaio: allblue: 就是。
> [11:15pm] liuhongdan: allblue: 的观点,我不同意
> [11:16pm] allblue: kaio: 虽然我是先接触的ubuntu, 不过还是觉得fedora用起来更舒服
> [11:16pm] lovenemesis: kaio: 已然传送,Aron Xu 兄已经提交给 Debian 法律组
> [11:16pm] liuhongdan: 专注做企业市场,和专注做用户体验,完全不同
> [11:16pm] John_Morgan: if fedora is the same as ubuntu, I wouldn't use
it.
> [11:16pm] kaio: �之,不要把 RH 看得太重就是,自力其力才是硬道理。
> [11:17pm] liuhongdan: John_Morgan: Morgan freeman?
> [11:17pm] kaio: 自食其力
> [11:17pm] allblue: 我并不是说fedora不如ubuntu, 只是就kaio的说法看来,
rh的做法不是很利于fedora发展而已
> [11:17pm] caoyu1099: 支持自力更生
> [11:17pm] John_Morgan: liuhongdan: no.
> [11:17pm] liuhongdan: John_Morgan:
> [11:17pm] caoyu1099: 自由很重要
> [11:17pm] gcell: 没钱、没资源空谈什么自由
> [11:18pm] allblue: 这就是社区软件的悲哀
> [11:18pm] kaio: allblue: 你的感�可能只是� rpm 舒服,而不是� fedora 舒服;而且那可能只是用久了��,而不是
> rpm/fedora 有多好。
> [11:18pm] liuhongdan: John_Morgan: I like Morgan freeman's voice. like in
> <redemption of shawshank>
> [11:18pm] caoyu1099: 束缚太大,也不行
> [11:18pm] liuhongdan: 香港队出场了
> [11:19pm] allblue: kaio: 这个和rpm没有多大关系了, 我只是很喜欢fedora的蓝色主题, 呵呵
> [11:19pm] CyrusYzGTt: John_Morgan§ 现在也可以 dpkg/fedora
> [11:19pm] allblue: kaio: 另外就是用ubuntu时总觉得很卡, fedora就没这个问题
> [11:19pm] kaio: allblue: 我是�橙色的
> [11:19pm] gcell: 国内的fedora社区如果整合得好,也不是运作不起来,不过现在看来,基本上没什么进展
> [11:20pm] caoyu1099: 国内fedora社区人气不行啊
> [11:20pm] kaio: gcell: ��就是要做整合的角色
> [11:20pm] allblue: gcell: 这个远比不上ubuntu社区了
> [11:20pm] lovenemesis: 实际上 fedora 还是有 RH 的员工主导的
> [11:20pm] gcell: 现在fedora在国内的发展,可以利用的资源还是不少,但是人才太单薄了,方方面面都缺人
> [11:20pm] allblue: 因为是实验场, 所以rh要控制
> [11:21pm] [aleph] joined the chat room.
> [11:21pm] caoyu1099: 跟ubuntu有很大差距
> [11:21pm] John_Morgan: liuhongdan: and <Seven>.
> [11:21pm] kaio: �件列表有人提�:只要一天 fedora project leader 一定要是 rh 的人,就不�有��成功。
> [11:21pm] kaio: (差不多的意思)
> [11:21pm] gcell: 首先缺一个强力的、懂中国的、有器量的领导人
> [11:22pm] liuhongdan: John_Morgan:
> [11:22pm] gcell: 其次缺少几个核心的开发者
> [11:22pm] kaio: gcell: 你� fedora ��人?
> [11:22pm] lovenemesis: allblue: 这点我个人不同意,ubuntu 运营社区的方式实际上是一种管理客户的方式
> [11:22pm] gcell: 再次,缺少一批中层技术骨干
> [11:22pm] lovenemesis: allblue: 并不是管理贡献者
> [11:22pm] gcell: 其实,现在服务器这些资源倒是不怎么缺
> [11:22pm] John_Morgan: Fedora is more Linux, Ubuntu is more Windows, to
> me...
> [11:23pm] gcell: kaio: 我说的是中国地区的fedora领导人
> [11:23pm] allblue: lovenemesis: 我的意思是ubuntu社区资源相当丰富, 人气也很足
> [11:23pm] kaio: gcell: 中�地�的 fedora 都�有像�的��
> [11:23pm] liuhongdan: 看着你们的热心,我想到了一个词,中国的脊梁!
> [11:23pm] allblue: lovenemesis: 我最早接触ubuntu大概是它的5.10左右吧, 那时还派发光盘
> [11:23pm] kaio: gcell: 可悲的�,除了我��有��?gbraad 能告�我�?
> [11:23pm] caoyu1099: 在人气方面fedora比ubuntu差的很远
> [11:24pm] allblue: lovenemesis: 有问题都可以在社区里找到答案
> [11:24pm] gcell: kaio: 我提过多少回了,提到我都心灰意冷了
> [11:24pm] allblue: 不过我觉得fedora做桌面不比ubuntu差啊
> [11:24pm] allblue: 为什么份额差那么多
> [11:25pm] caoyu1099: 纳闷
> [11:25pm] allblue: 是否就是因为 用得人多所以越来越多
> [11:25pm] lovenemesis: allblue: 有一些差距,Ubuntu 是一个活跃的用户论坛,但是里面还是缺乏活跃的开发者团体
> [11:25pm] kaio: 我也���的看法是「ubuntu-cn」只是人多,�有�向的�展,都是初�用�。
> [11:25pm] gcell: allblue: 领头羊不一样
> [11:25pm] lovenemesis: kaio: 握手,我就是这个意思
> [11:25pm] kaio: 我不同意。人多自然�出牛人。
> [11:25pm] liuhongdan: 呃,我觉得你们这么比不对。我同意kaio的看法
> [11:26pm] gcell: kaio: 人多自然出牛人,这个非常正确,因为走上了良性循环
> [11:26pm] liuhongdan: u发展的大多是初级用户,当然这些用户会成长。但是他们最后会不会转变,难说
> [11:26pm] allblue: 那fedora算不算恶性循环
> [11:26pm] liuhongdan: u可能是做嫁衣了
> [11:26pm] allblue: 现在新手选版本时, 都是首选ubuntu
> [11:26pm] gcell: 我一直尝试通过fedora-zh论坛的建立,树立面向初级用户的良性循环
> [11:26pm] liuhongdan: 老手呢
> [11:27pm] caoyu1099: fedora-zh论坛有待改善啊
> [11:27pm] allblue: 照这个势头发展, 以后fedora用户量很难说啊
> [11:27pm] gcell: allblue: 别操这个心
> [11:27pm] gcell: allblue: 都是linux,优胜劣汰很正常
> [11:27pm] caoyu1099: 日薄西山
> [11:27pm] liuhongdan: ubuntu一直在给大家做义务教育,可敬啊
> [11:27pm] superjet_busy: 没有基数就没有大起色的说,起码我身边fc基本绝迹的说
> [11:27pm] allblue: gcell: 这倒是,
> [11:28pm] gcell: allblue: 我刚开始也像你这样,后来就淡定了
> [11:28pm] allblue: gcell: 不过我用过的所有linux发行版中, 还是fedora用起来最爽
> [11:28pm] liuhongdan: 我身边也没有
> [11:28pm] allblue: gcell: 万一哪天fedora没了,还真不知道该换什么...
> [11:28pm] lovenemesis: 我的意思就是 Ubuntu 在将用户转向贡献者方面,鼓励的不够
> [11:28pm] gcell: allblue: arch和ubuntu都不错,嗯
> [11:29pm] liuhongdan: gcell: lovenemesis .... -_-!
> [11:29pm] liuhongdan: allblue: -_-!
> [11:29pm] lovenemesis: 或者说,在向用户普及自由软件的思想方面
> [11:29pm] allblue: gcell: arc没用过, ubuntu一直用不惯, 从5.10到10, 都不爽...
> [11:29pm] lovenemesis: Ubuntu 目前给更多的用户的概念的"另外一个免费的操作系统"
> [11:29pm] liuhongdan: 一个吸收普通用户,一个吸收程序员级用户的
> [11:30pm] liuhongdan: 这是我们经理的话
> [11:30pm] kaio: fedora 只是 beta 的�西。rh � fedora
像�牲畜,�吃�住你�我快高�大,我拿你的奶你的肉去�(�
> rhel 服�);canonical � ubuntu 像�生�,�吃�住�免�供�教�(免�客服),�大了��零用�(免�派光�)。
> [11:30pm] lovenemesis: 而单纯靠这一点,是无法维持一个开源社区的运转的
> [11:30pm] gcell: allblue: 那可能是因为你接触Linux还不久,不深入,久了就没有门户之见了
> [11:30pm] liuhongdan: 同意gcell的忘我境界
> [11:31pm] gcell: �......
> [11:31pm] allblue: gcell: 我还差得很远,努力ing
> [11:31pm] lovenemesis: gcell: 我目前不太待见 Ubuntu 的去 Linux 化倾向
> [11:31pm] liuhongdan: 手中无linux,心中有linux
> [11:31pm] * gbraad just got disconnected from my desktop in the
Netherlands!
> [11:31pm] [aleph]: 插一句 周日北京聚会啥主题
> [11:31pm] kaio: liuhongdan: ��就�有普通用�成�程序�用�的正面效果。
> [11:31pm] liuhongdan: [aleph]: 主题太多
> [11:32pm] gcell: lovenemesis: 不用管他化妆成啥样,总之状卸了那还是一个人就行
> [11:32pm] [aleph]: liuhongdan, 那就是随便聊天啦?
> [11:32pm] liuhongdan: kaio: 该成为程序员的始终会成为的。会自力更生的成为的
> [11:33pm] liuhongdan: [aleph]: 有顺序主题。自我介绍,gbraad介绍,然后展示,好玩的什么的,拷贝电影啥的
> [11:33pm] allblue: 倒想学学gtk编程, 复习c中
> [11:33pm] gbraad: gcell, kaio: Fedora is badly represented in China. Even
by
> RH's office... almost no support until now!
> [11:33pm] liuhongdan: 讲笑话什么的,茶话会
> [11:34pm] lovenemesis: gbraad: agree
> [11:34pm] MeaCulpa1 left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
> [11:34pm] lovenemesis: Fedora 中国的现状和 RH APAC 的无视有关
> [11:34pm] gcell: gbraad: +1
> [11:35pm] liuhongdan was granted voice by ChanServ.
> [11:35pm] gcell: 喜欢乱指挥比no support更讨厌
> [11:35pm] lovenemesis: RH APAC 在这里只是把 RHEL 当商品卖,没有任何开源理念的宣传普及
> [11:35pm] kaio: �便了。� fedora 的�,就�心自己的部分;rh apac 如何看待 fedora in china
> 是他�的事,我要�助�直接找美�的 mchua_afk 他�。
> [11:35pm] pl_014 left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
> [11:35pm] gbraad: I have talked quite often with the office, but only
with
> the people from Singapore
> [11:35pm] pl_014_ joined the chat room.
> [11:35pm] pl_014_ is now known as pl_014.
> [11:35pm] lovenemesis: 同时订阅下 RH APAC 和 RH Europe 的邮件就知道了
> [11:36pm] kaio: lovenemesis: 外部可���?
> [11:36pm] lovenemesis: RH APAC 只有产品促销什么,RH Europe 经常有各种技术 Webniar
> [11:36pm] gbraad: yshao is still on my list to talk to, but they report
to
> NC and have not much to do with the APAC area]
> [11:37pm] lovenemesis: kaio: 可以啊......每次活动 Twitter 上都有说,然后按链接点进去注册就行了......
> [11:37pm] gbraad: liuhongdan: I will probably not be there on Sunday.
> Someone in the family died
> [11:37pm] kaio: NC?
> [11:37pm] gbraad: Raleigh, NC
> [11:37pm] lovenemesis: gbraad: OMG, sorry to hear that
> [11:37pm] yshao: what are we talking about now?
> [11:37pm] gbraad: not direct relative, but still family comes over from
> abroad.
> [11:38pm] liuhongdan: gbraad: sorry to hear that too.
> [11:38pm] kaio: gbraad: condolence
> [11:38pm] gbraad: thanks
> [11:38pm] allblue: gbraad: sorry to hear that
> [11:38pm] lovenemesis: gbraad: condolence
> [11:38pm] caoyu1099 left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving.)
> [11:39pm] CyrusYzGTt: gbraad§ 节哀,愿上帝与你同在
> [11:39pm] gbraad: at least it is a way to see my family from America
again
> :-s
> [11:39pm] liuhongdan: gbraad: hope to see you next meeting.
> [11:39pm] gbraad: yshao: about the support for Fedora from RH. Would be
nice
> if we can sit down once and talk about this.
> [11:40pm] gbraad: yshao: also still want ot meet and talk with h[4~arish
> about this
> [11:41pm] lovenemesis: gbraad: I ask remote live broadcasting when you
guys
> are talking about this.
> [11:41pm] gcell: gbraad: sorry to hear that
> [11:41pm] liuhongdan: gbraad: I'll introduce you to others in the
meeting,
> OK?
> [11:41pm] lovenemesis: 话说今晚 rhe 呢......
> [11:42pm] gbraad: liuhingdan: Thanks
> [11:42pm] liuhongdan:
> [11:42pm] lovenemesis: liuhongdan: take photos of the meeting, ok?
> [11:42pm] liuhongdan: 中华台湾...
> [11:42pm] kaio: lovenemesis: there are some free online streaming
services?
> [11:42pm] liuhongdan: lovenemesis: 没问题
> [11:42pm] gbraad: maybe, I can be there... depends on the family if they
can
> come over for the funeral. else i will be there
> [11:42pm] liuhongdan: ok
> [11:43pm] gbraad: thanks already for understanding
> [11:43pm] BadGirl left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection)
> [11:43pm] liuhongdan: CyrusYzGTt: 调节了提示符,成为了§?
> [11:43pm] lovenemesis: kaio: err, haven't think that far. leave it to
gbraad
>
> [11:43pm] CyrusYzGTt: liuhongdan§ 用xchat改的
> [11:43pm] kaio: lovenemesis: sure sure
> [11:44pm] gbraad: lovenemsis: I didn't have recent contact with rhe.
maybe
> we should do so again!
> [11:44pm] * CyrusYzGTt 要#endmeeting吗?
> [11:44pm] BadGirl joined the chat room.
> [11:44pm] gbraad: kaio: i like streaming, but probably more useful for a
> release party
> [11:45pm] liuhongdan: rhe莫非在加班?
> [11:45pm] Guest2337 joined the chat room.
> [11:45pm] kaio: gbraad: once we grow into physical meetings w/
> presentations, we could do it
> [11:46pm] Guest2337 left the chat room.
> [11:46pm] gbraad: at least I will representing Fedora in the MeeGo
Beijing
> Network
> [11:46pm] gbraad:
> [11:46pm] lovenemesis: maybe you guys can use Cheese to record the
meeting
> and uploaded somewhere
> [11:46pm] lovenemesis:
> [11:46pm] liuhongdan: ...
> [11:47pm] liuhongdan: 你们搞的太严肃了...,晕
> [11:47pm] lovenemesis: i don't mind turning on the Hulk mode, really
> [11:48pm] CyrusYzGTt: #endmeeting
> ----- meeting ends -----
>
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