2:11 a.m.
Hi all,
Fedora 仓库里没有 Unicode::Tussle，不知打包是否容易？
是否有打包者愿意打一个？
注：Unicode::Tussle 提供了许多 Unicode 实用程序。
有一个 rename 脚本可以用 perl 正则语法做批量文件重命名。
（不过和 utli-linux 包里的 rename 重名了。）
[1] http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/Unicode-Tussle-1.05/lib/Unicode/Tussle.pm
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2:59 a.m.
Ooops, as you've mentioned there are conflicts on binary names, it's
not easy to handle that.
I can package it, but if you prompt me of pushing to to official repo,
well, it's a hot potato... ;)
3:11 a.m.
On 12/21/2013 04:59 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
Ooops, as you've mentioned there are conflicts on binary names,
it's
not easy to handle that.
I can package it, but if you prompt me of pushing to to official repo,
well, it's a hot potato... ;)
单纯从用户角度考虑，你可以把它重命名为 perl-rename，或者 uni-rename，
我觉得都可以。只是对于打包审核来说不知是否容易。
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Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
3:15 a.m.
I can rename it to anything I want, but it's not good for users from
CPAN and maybe puzzled by this weird naming way. Hence contacting
upstream about this conflict is the essential step we need to urge
utmost first.
Would you like to do this? Don't rely on me of such things 8-)
4:18 a.m.
On 12/21/2013 05:15 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
I can rename it to anything I want, but it's not good for users
from
CPAN and maybe puzzled by this weird naming way. Hence contacting
upstream about this conflict is the essential step we need to urge
utmost first.
Would you like to do this? Don't rely on me of such things 8-)
Or can we use the 'alternative' scheme (as used in jre case)?
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Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
5:09 a.m.
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/21/2013 05:15 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
> I can rename it to anything I want, but it's not good for users from
> CPAN and maybe puzzled by this weird naming way. Hence contacting
> upstream about this conflict is the essential step we need to urge
> utmost first.
>
> Would you like to do this? Don't rely on me of such things 8-)
Or can we use the 'alternative' scheme (as used in jre case)?
Other other distros have not introduced this package.
So we should ask upstream for a renaming scheme for their conflicting
scripts.
Since rename is in util-linux, upstream should be convinced to rename their
scripts.
-robin
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6:37 a.m.
Yes, just like Robin said, I think upstream should be willing to change.
Alick if you really want to see it in the official repo, please give me the
feedback when it's ok.
Thanks.
9:53 a.m.
On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
Yes, just like Robin said, I think upstream should be willing to
change.
Alick if you really want to see it in the official repo, please give me the
feedback when it's ok.
https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
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Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
1 p.m.
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
> Yes, just like Robin said, I think upstream should be willing to change.
>
> Alick if you really want to see it in the official repo, please give me
the
> feedback when it's ok.
>
https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
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Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE 的。不过看起来是 File::Rename
[1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode 支持要更好。
[1] https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
下一步怎么行动？
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Regards,
Alick
7:24 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
> > Yes, just like Robin said, I think upstream should be willing to
change.
> >
> > Alick if you really want to see it in the official repo, please give me
> the
> > feedback when it's ok.
> >
>
>
> https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
>
> --
> Alick
> Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
>
如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE 的。不过看起来是 File::Rename
[1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode 支持要更好。
[1] https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
下一步怎么行动？
要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename 作成
alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到 util-linux[1] 请求一下。
[1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
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Alick
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3:42 p.m.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
> > > Yes, just like Robin said, I think upstream should be willing to
> change.
> > >
> > > Alick if you really want to see it in the official repo, please give
me
> > the
> > > feedback when it's ok.
> > >
> >
> >
> > https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
> >
> > --
> > Alick
> > Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
> >
>
>
> 如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
>
> 附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE 的。不过看起来是 File::Rename
> [1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode 支持要更好。
>
> [1] https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
>
> 下一步怎么行动？
>
要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename 作成
alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到 util-linux[1] 请求一下。
[1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
不够兼容诶……
util-linux: rename expression replacement file...
Unicode::Tussle: rename perl_code file...
刚看了一下，Debian 做法是把 util-linux 里的 rename 改名成了 rename.ul [1]，Perl 实现是
prename，然后用了 alternatives 机制。所以 Debian 就是发行版自己改的吧？Fedora 能这样吗？
[1] https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/util-linux/filelist
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Alick
7:43 p.m.
2016-01-20 5:42 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
> > > > Yes, just like Robin said, I think upstream should be willing to
> > change.
> > > >
> > > > Alick if you really want to see it in the official repo, please
give
> me
> > > the
> > > > feedback when it's ok.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
> > >
> > > --
> > > Alick
> > > Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
> > >
> >
> >
> > 如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
> >
> > 附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE 的。不过看起来是 File::Rename
> > [1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode 支持要更好。
> >
> > [1] https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
> >
> > 下一步怎么行动？
> >
> 要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename 作成
> alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到 util-linux[1] 请求一下。
> [1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
>
不够兼容诶……
util-linux: rename expression replacement file...
Unicode::Tussle: rename perl_code file...
刚看了一下，Debian 做法是把 util-linux 里的 rename 改名成了 rename.ul [1]，Perl 实现是
prename，然后用了 alternatives 机制。所以 Debian 就是发行版自己改的吧？Fedora 能这样吗？
Fedora 做 alternative 也是这样的
8:39 p.m.
2016-01-19 19:43 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
2016-01-20 5:42 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
> > > > > Yes, just like Robin said, I think upstream should be willing
to
> > > change.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alick if you really want to see it in the official repo,
please
> give
> > me
> > > > the
> > > > > feedback when it's ok.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Alick
> > > > Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
> > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
> > >
> > > 附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE 的。不过看起来是 File::Rename
> > > [1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode 支持要更好。
> > >
> > > [1] https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
> > >
> > > 下一步怎么行动？
> > >
> > 要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename 作成
> > alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到 util-linux[1] 请求一下。
> > [1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
> >
>
> 不够兼容诶……
>
> util-linux: rename expression replacement file...
> Unicode::Tussle: rename perl_code file...
>
> 刚看了一下，Debian 做法是把 util-linux 里的 rename 改名成了 rename.ul [1]，Perl 实现是
> prename，然后用了 alternatives 机制。所以 Debian 就是发行版自己改的吧？Fedora 能这样吗？
>
Fedora 做 alternative 也是这样的
所以，技术上可以，政策 policy 上呢？
Regards,
Alick
9:19 p.m.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2016-01-19 19:43 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> 2016-01-20 5:42 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
> > > > > > Yes, just like Robin said, I think upstream should be
willing
to
> > > > change.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alick if you really want to see it in the official repo,
please
> > give
> > > me
> > > > > the
> > > > > > feedback when it's ok.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Alick
> > > > > Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
> > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
> > > >
> > > > 附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE 的。不过看起来是 File::Rename
> > > > [1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode 支持要更好。
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
> > > >
> > > > 下一步怎么行动？
> > > >
> > > 要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename 作成
> > > alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到 util-linux[1] 请求一下。
> > > [1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
> > >
> >
> > 不够兼容诶……
> >
> > util-linux: rename expression replacement file...
> > Unicode::Tussle: rename perl_code file...
> >
> > 刚看了一下，Debian 做法是把 util-linux 里的 rename 改名成了 rename.ul [1]，Perl 实现是
> > prename，然后用了 alternatives 机制。所以 Debian 就是发行版自己改的吧？Fedora 能这样吗？
> >
> Fedora 做 alternative 也是这样的
>
所以，技术上可以，政策 policy 上呢？
政策上这方面没有严格限制，其实上由相关的包的 packager 决定要不要做 alternative。详见：
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Alternatives
Regards,
Alick
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10:49 p.m.
2016-01-19 21:19 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> 2016-01-19 19:43 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
>
> > 2016-01-20 5:42 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> >
> > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
> > > > > > > Yes, just like Robin said, I think upstream should be
willing
> to
> > > > > change.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alick if you really want to see it in the official
repo,
please
> > > give
> > > > me
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > feedback when it's ok.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Alick
> > > > > > Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
> > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
> > > > >
> > > > > 附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE 的。不过看起来是 File::Rename
> > > > > [1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode 支持要更好。
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
> > > > >
> > > > > 下一步怎么行动？
> > > > >
> > > > 要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename 作成
> > > > alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到 util-linux[1] 请求一下。
> > > > [1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
> > > >
> > >
> > > 不够兼容诶……
> > >
> > > util-linux: rename expression replacement file...
> > > Unicode::Tussle: rename perl_code file...
> > >
> > > 刚看了一下，Debian 做法是把 util-linux 里的 rename 改名成了 rename.ul [1]，Perl 实现是
> > > prename，然后用了 alternatives 机制。所以 Debian 就是发行版自己改的吧？Fedora 能这样吗？
> > >
> > Fedora 做 alternative 也是这样的
> >
>
> 所以，技术上可以，政策 policy 上呢？
>
政策上这方面没有严格限制，其实上由相关的包的 packager 决定要不要做 alternative。详见：
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Alternatives
好哇，有没有兴趣搞起啊。
PS: 除 rename 外还有一个重名脚本 tc
--
Regards,
Alick
11:10 p.m.
2016-01-20 12:49 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
2016-01-19 21:19 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > 2016-01-19 19:43 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> >
> > > 2016-01-20 5:42 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robin Lee <
robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao <
alick9188(a)gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
> > > > > > > > Yes, just like Robin said, I think upstream
should be
willing
> > to
> > > > > > change.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Alick if you really want to see it in the
official repo,
> please
> > > > give
> > > > > me
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > feedback when it's ok.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Alick
> > > > > > > Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
> > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE 的。不过看起来是
File::Rename
> > > > > > [1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode 支持要更好。
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 下一步怎么行动？
> > > > > >
> > > > > 要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename 作成
> > > > > alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到 util-linux[1] 请求一下。
> > > > > [1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > 不够兼容诶……
> > > >
> > > > util-linux: rename expression replacement file...
> > > > Unicode::Tussle: rename perl_code file...
> > > >
> > > > 刚看了一下，Debian 做法是把 util-linux 里的 rename 改名成了 rename.ul [1]，Perl 实现是
> > > > prename，然后用了 alternatives 机制。所以 Debian 就是发行版自己改的吧？Fedora 能这样吗？
> > > >
> > > Fedora 做 alternative 也是这样的
> > >
> >
> > 所以，技术上可以，政策 policy 上呢？
> >
> 政策上这方面没有严格限制，其实上由相关的包的 packager 决定要不要做 alternative。详见：
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Alternatives
>
>
好哇，有没有兴趣搞起啊。
PS: 除 rename 外还有一个重名脚本 tc
tc 这就难搞了
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Alick
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11:31 p.m.
2016-01-19 23:10 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
2016-01-20 12:49 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> 2016-01-19 21:19 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > 2016-01-19 19:43 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > 2016-01-20 5:42 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robin Lee <
> robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao <
alick9188(a)gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao <
> alick9188(a)gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Yes, just like Robin said, I think upstream
should be
> willing
> > > to
> > > > > > > change.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Alick if you really want to see it in the
official repo,
> > please
> > > > > give
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > feedback when it's ok.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Alick
> > > > > > > > Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
> > > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE 的。不过看起来是
File::Rename
> > > > > > > [1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode 支持要更好。
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1]
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 下一步怎么行动？
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename 作成
> > > > > > alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到 util-linux[1]
请求一下。
> > > > > > [1]
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 不够兼容诶……
> > > > >
> > > > > util-linux: rename expression replacement file...
> > > > > Unicode::Tussle: rename perl_code file...
> > > > >
> > > > > 刚看了一下，Debian 做法是把 util-linux 里的 rename 改名成了 rename.ul [1]，Perl
实现是
> > > > > prename，然后用了 alternatives 机制。所以 Debian 就是发行版自己改的吧？Fedora 能这样吗？
> > > > >
> > > > Fedora 做 alternative 也是这样的
> > > >
> > >
> > > 所以，技术上可以，政策 policy 上呢？
> > >
> > 政策上这方面没有严格限制，其实上由相关的包的 packager 决定要不要做 alternative。详见：
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Alternatives
> >
> >
> 好哇，有没有兴趣搞起啊。
>
> PS: 除 rename 外还有一个重名脚本 tc
>
tc 这就难搞了
为何？重命名呗。这里的 tc 我没用过，都不知道是干什么的。
--
Regards,
Alick
11:33 p.m.
2016-01-19 23:31 GMT-06:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
2016-01-19 23:10 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> 2016-01-20 12:49 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
>
> > 2016-01-19 21:19 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > 2016-01-19 19:43 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > 2016-01-20 5:42 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robin Lee <
> > robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao <
> alick9188(a)gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao <
> > alick9188(a)gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, just like Robin said, I think
upstream should be
> > willing
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > change.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Alick if you really want to see it in
the official repo,
> > > please
> > > > > > give
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > feedback when it's ok.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Alick
> > > > > > > > > Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
> > > > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE 的。不过看起来是
File::Rename
> > > > > > > > [1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode 支持要更好。
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1]
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 下一步怎么行动？
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename 作成
> > > > > > > alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到 util-linux[1]
请求一下。
> > > > > > > [1]
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 不够兼容诶……
> > > > > >
> > > > > > util-linux: rename expression replacement file...
> > > > > > Unicode::Tussle: rename perl_code file...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 刚看了一下，Debian 做法是把 util-linux 里的 rename 改名成了 rename.ul
[1]，Perl
> 实现是
> > > > > > prename，然后用了 alternatives 机制。所以 Debian 就是发行版自己改的吧？Fedora
能这样吗？
> > > > > >
> > > > > Fedora 做 alternative 也是这样的
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > 所以，技术上可以，政策 policy 上呢？
> > > >
> > > 政策上这方面没有严格限制，其实上由相关的包的 packager 决定要不要做 alternative。详见：
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Alternatives
> > >
> > >
> > 好哇，有没有兴趣搞起啊。
> >
> > PS: 除 rename 外还有一个重名脚本 tc
> >
> tc 这就难搞了
>
>
为何？重命名呗。这里的 tc 我没用过，都不知道是干什么的。
查了一下，是把文本转化成首字母大写的 (title case)
--
Regards,
Alick
12:12 a.m.
2016-01-20 13:31 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
2016-01-19 23:10 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> 2016-01-20 12:49 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
>
> > 2016-01-19 21:19 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > 2016-01-19 19:43 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > 2016-01-20 5:42 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robin Lee <
> > robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao <
> alick9188(a)gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao
<
> > alick9188(a)gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher Meng
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, just like Robin said, I think
upstream should be
> > willing
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > change.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Alick if you really want to see it in
the official
repo,
> > > please
> > > > > > give
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > feedback when it's ok.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Alick
> > > > > > > > > Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) user
> > > > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE 的。不过看起来是
File::Rename
> > > > > > > > [1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode 支持要更好。
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1]
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 下一步怎么行动？
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename 作成
> > > > > > > alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到 util-linux[1]
请求一下。
> > > > > > > [1]
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 不够兼容诶……
> > > > > >
> > > > > > util-linux: rename expression replacement file...
> > > > > > Unicode::Tussle: rename perl_code file...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 刚看了一下，Debian 做法是把 util-linux 里的 rename 改名成了 rename.ul
[1]，Perl
> 实现是
> > > > > > prename，然后用了 alternatives 机制。所以 Debian 就是发行版自己改的吧？Fedora
能这样吗？
> > > > > >
> > > > > Fedora 做 alternative 也是这样的
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > 所以，技术上可以，政策 policy 上呢？
> > > >
> > > 政策上这方面没有严格限制，其实上由相关的包的 packager 决定要不要做 alternative。详见：
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Alternatives
> > >
> > >
> > 好哇，有没有兴趣搞起啊。
> >
> > PS: 除 rename 外还有一个重名脚本 tc
> >
> tc 这就难搞了
>
>
为何？重命名呗。这里的 tc 我没用过，都不知道是干什么的。
作者愿意重命名 tc？
--
Regards,
Alick
--
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11:47 a.m.
不愿啊。打包者可以吧。
On Jan 20, 2016 12:13 AM, "Robin Lee" <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2016-01-20 13:31 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> 2016-01-19 23:10 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
>
> > 2016-01-20 12:49 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> >
> > > 2016-01-19 21:19 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 2016-01-19 19:43 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2016-01-20 5:42 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robin Lee <
> > > robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao
<
> > alick9188(a)gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick Zhao
<
> > > alick9188(a)gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM, Christopher
Meng wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, just like Robin said, I think
upstream should be
> > > willing
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > change.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Alick if you really want to see it
in the official
> repo,
> > > > please
> > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > feedback when it's ok.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Alick
> > > > > > > > > > Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
user
> > > > > > > > > >
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE
的。不过看起来是
> File::Rename
> > > > > > > > > [1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode
支持要更好。
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [1]
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 下一步怎么行动？
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename 作成
> > > > > > > > alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到
util-linux[1]
请求一下。
> > > > > > > > [1]
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 不够兼容诶……
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > util-linux: rename expression replacement file...
> > > > > > > Unicode::Tussle: rename perl_code file...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 刚看了一下，Debian 做法是把 util-linux 里的 rename 改名成了
rename.ul
[1]，Perl
> > 实现是
> > > > > > > prename，然后用了 alternatives 机制。所以 Debian
就是发行版自己改的吧？Fedora
能这样吗？
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Fedora 做 alternative 也是这样的
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 所以，技术上可以，政策 policy 上呢？
> > > > >
> > > > 政策上这方面没有严格限制，其实上由相关的包的 packager 决定要不要做 alternative。详见：
> > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Alternatives
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 好哇，有没有兴趣搞起啊。
> > >
> > > PS: 除 rename 外还有一个重名脚本 tc
> > >
> > tc 这就难搞了
> >
> >
> 为何？重命名呗。这里的 tc 我没用过，都不知道是干什么的。
>
作者愿意重命名 tc？
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Alick
> --
> Fedora中文郵件列表：https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
>
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7:08 p.m.
关于 tc Debian 是怎样做的？
2016-01-21 1:47 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
不愿啊。打包者可以吧。
On Jan 20, 2016 12:13 AM, "Robin Lee" <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> 2016-01-20 13:31 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
>
> > 2016-01-19 23:10 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> >
> > > 2016-01-20 12:49 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > 2016-01-19 21:19 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Alick Zhao <
alick9188(a)gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2016-01-19 19:43 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com
>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2016-01-20 5:42 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao
<alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robin Lee <
> > > > robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Alick Zhao
<
> > > alick9188(a)gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Alick
Zhao <
> > > > alick9188(a)gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 12/21/2013 08:37 PM,
Christopher Meng wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, just like Robin said, I
think upstream should
be
> > > > willing
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > change.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Alick if you really want to
see it in the official
> > repo,
> > > > > please
> > > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > feedback when it's ok.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
https://github.com/briandfoy/Unicode-Tussle/issues/4
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Alick
> > > > > > > > > > > Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s
Cat) user
> > > > > > > > > > >
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 如上述链接中的回复，上游并不愿意重命名命令。
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 附注：Debian/Ubuntu 里有个 rename 包，是接受 PCRE
的。不过看起来是
> > File::Rename
> > > > > > > > > > [1]。Unicode::Tussle 里的按道理来讲对 Unicode
支持要更好。
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [1]
> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/rename/filelist
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 下一步怎么行动？
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 要用 alternative 还要先说服 util-linux 的维护者把 rename
作成
> > > > > > > > > alternative。如果这些命令的用法足够兼容，那可以尝试发 issue 到
util-linux[1]
> 请求一下。
> > > > > > > > > [1]
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/util-linux/bugs
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 不够兼容诶……
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > util-linux: rename expression replacement
file...
> > > > > > > > Unicode::Tussle: rename perl_code file...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 刚看了一下，Debian 做法是把 util-linux 里的 rename 改名成了
rename.ul
> [1]，Perl
> > > 实现是
> > > > > > > > prename，然后用了 alternatives 机制。所以 Debian
就是发行版自己改的吧？Fedora
> 能这样吗？
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fedora 做 alternative 也是这样的
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 所以，技术上可以，政策 policy 上呢？
> > > > > >
> > > > > 政策上这方面没有严格限制，其实上由相关的包的 packager 决定要不要做 alternative。详见：
> > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Alternatives
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > 好哇，有没有兴趣搞起啊。
> > > >
> > > > PS: 除 rename 外还有一个重名脚本 tc
> > > >
> > > tc 这就难搞了
> > >
> > >
> > 为何？重命名呗。这里的 tc 我没用过，都不知道是干什么的。
> >
> 作者愿意重命名 tc？
>
> >
> >
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> > Alick
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2016-01-21 12:36 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
2016-01-20 19:08 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> 关于 tc Debian 是怎样做的？
>
>
Debian 打包的是另一个 rename，不是 Tussle 这个，所以没有这个问题……
那就还是那个问题， rename 用法如果不兼容，可能 util-linux 的维护者不接受做 alternative
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2016-01-20 23:10 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
2016-01-21 12:36 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
> 2016-01-20 19:08 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
>
> > 关于 tc Debian 是怎样做的？
> >
> >
> Debian 打包的是另一个 rename，不是 Tussle 这个，所以没有这个问题……
>
那就还是那个问题， rename 用法如果不兼容，可能 util-linux 的维护者不接受做 alternative
好吧，又回来了。
要不算了，我还是 cpanm 好了。
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8:29 p.m.
用法不兼容的话，不能做 alternative 吧……
别说维护者，使用者恐怕也不愿意吧……
目前看来没有哪个发行版真正打包过 Tussle 这个？
2016-01-21 13:24 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
2016-01-20 23:10 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee
<robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> 2016-01-21 12:36 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
>
> > 2016-01-20 19:08 GMT-06:00 Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com>:
> >
> > > 关于 tc Debian 是怎样做的？
> > >
> > >
> > Debian 打包的是另一个 rename，不是 Tussle 这个，所以没有这个问题……
> >
> 那就还是那个问题， rename 用法如果不兼容，可能 util-linux 的维护者不接受做 alternative
>
>
好吧，又回来了。
要不算了，我还是 cpanm 好了。
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