cloud October 2012

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good morning everyone! meeting at 14:00utc (10am eastern us, 4pm central europe)
by Matthew Miller 24 Oct '12

24 Oct '12

Hi everyone. Any particular topics today? This week, I'm working on getting the F18 images to build for EC2 in koji, and on getting our existing ones into the Amazon Marketplace. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks
by Matthew Miller 23 Oct '12

23 Oct '12

ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks | 1 + ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks | 1 + 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+) New commits: commit 9f0b31b4b7d8c4ce793fbca145d32f8c606241ea Author: Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Date: Tue Oct 23 09:29:01 2012 -0400 We're shipping man pages, so might as well ship a reader. This also pulls in `less`, which is nice to have around. See discussion on cloud-sig mailing list. diff --git a/ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks b/ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks index f531700..2792cda 100644 --- a/ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks +++ b/ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks @@ -29,6 +29,7 @@ repo --name=fedora --mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo @core pciutils kernel-PAE +man-db -biosdevname diff --git a/ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks b/ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks index ad68582..3159eff 100644 --- a/ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks +++ b/ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks @@ -29,6 +29,7 @@ repo --name=fedora --mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo @core pciutils kernel +man-db -biosdevname

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do we want `less` and `man` in the default cloud image?
by Matthew Miller 23 Oct '12

23 Oct '12

Continuing a discussion with gholms on IRC. There's a general question of how minimal we want the cloud image to be overall. I'd like to make it reasonably small (where reasonable is some hand-wavy value), but we're not ever going to be a stripped down TinyLinux or Damn Small Linux. Garrett makes the point that the Fedora images should "feel like Fedora". We can probably discuss what exactly that means, but, okay, I can see that as a basic principle to weigh against "as tiny as possible". He also mentioned earlier that he has gotten feedback that people like to have man pages available. Right now, we're shipping about 6.2MB (on-disk) of man pages, but, um, no man browser. Adding man would add about 8.8M on-disk, as it pulls in groff and less. (Less is relatively tiny -- groff is the big thing.) * I really like having less around. I pretty much miss it on every system where it isn't installed. And installing all those man pages with no way to look at them seems silly. Thoughts? Non-binding votes? * Footnote: I see that groff is split into groff-base and groff, with the former being "only necessary parts of groff formatting system which are required to display manual pages, and the groff's default display device (PostScript)". But, man requires less, and less requires the main groff package. So if we fix that, total impact is 4.6MB. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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ec2 wiki page vs. get-fedora wiki page
by Matthew Miller 17 Oct '12

17 Oct '12

The pages at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_images?rd=Cloud_SIG/EC2_Images and http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#clouds seem redundant. I'm inclined to remove the Wiki page and instead point people to the get-fedora page. Thoughts? -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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in lieu of meeting: any important F18 cloud issues to discuss?
by Matthew Miller 17 Oct '12

17 Oct '12

Again, sorry about that. From my end: - getting image builds in koji working again (looks like parted bug?) - updating cloud sig web page -- more on that shortly - talking tomorrow with someone from amazon about updating amazon marketplace -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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gah! sorry for missing the meeting
by Matthew Miller 17 Oct '12

17 Oct '12

Okay, I'll get the hang of this yet. :) Traveling today and totally blew my calendar alarm. Sorry about that! -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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Newbie Question
by J Birch 15 Oct '12

15 Oct '12

Please forgive my new pie question, but how exactly do you install one of the AMI images on EC2? For instance, I am want to install the image with the AMI ID of - ami-2ea50247. When I search for this ID through the AWS console, I do not get a hit back. Is there something I need to do first? Thanks! Birch

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ec2/fedora-17-i386-ec2.ks ec2/fedora-17-x86_64-ec2.ks ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks
by Matthew Miller 15 Oct '12

15 Oct '12

ec2/fedora-17-i386-ec2.ks | 4 ++-- ec2/fedora-17-x86_64-ec2.ks | 4 ++-- ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks | 4 ++-- ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks | 4 ++-- 4 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) New commits: commit 694fa2fa7667cb97581fb79eea746d49323b0684 Author: Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Date: Mon Oct 15 11:34:55 2012 -0400 replace 16 with 17 and 18 in the newer files! diff --git a/ec2/fedora-17-i386-ec2.ks b/ec2/fedora-17-i386-ec2.ks index 4ebde20..62aff35 100644 --- a/ec2/fedora-17-i386-ec2.ks +++ b/ec2/fedora-17-i386-ec2.ks @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -# Build a basic Fedora 16 AMI +# Build a basic Fedora 17 AMI lang en_US.UTF-8 keyboard us timezone --utc America/New_York @@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ part / --size 10000 --fstype ext4 --ondisk sda # # Repositories -repo --name=fedora --mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-16&arch=$basearch +repo --name=fedora --mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-17&arch=$basearch # # diff --git a/ec2/fedora-17-x86_64-ec2.ks b/ec2/fedora-17-x86_64-ec2.ks index 956fcdf..b303859 100644 --- a/ec2/fedora-17-x86_64-ec2.ks +++ b/ec2/fedora-17-x86_64-ec2.ks @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -# Build a basic Fedora 16 AMI +# Build a basic Fedora 17 AMI lang en_US.UTF-8 keyboard us timezone --utc America/New_York @@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ part / --size 10000 --fstype ext4 --ondisk sda # # Repositories -repo --name=fedora --mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-16&arch=$basearch +repo --name=fedora --mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-17&arch=$basearch # # diff --git a/ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks b/ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks index 72393a6..f531700 100644 --- a/ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks +++ b/ec2/fedora-18-i386-ec2.ks @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -# Build a basic Fedora 16 AMI +# Build a basic Fedora 18 AMI lang en_US.UTF-8 keyboard us timezone --utc America/New_York @@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ part / --size 10000 --fstype ext4 --ondisk sda # # Repositories -repo --name=fedora --mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-16&arch=$basearch +repo --name=fedora --mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-18&arch=$basearch # # diff --git a/ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks b/ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks index 1ef55f9..ad68582 100644 --- a/ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks +++ b/ec2/fedora-18-x86_64-ec2.ks @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -# Build a basic Fedora 16 AMI +# Build a basic Fedora 18 AMI lang en_US.UTF-8 keyboard us timezone --utc America/New_York @@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ part / --size 10000 --fstype ext4 --ondisk sda # # Repositories -repo --name=fedora --mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-16&arch=$basearch +repo --name=fedora --mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-18&arch=$basearch # #

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removing NetworkManager from cloud image?
by Matthew Miller 15 Oct '12

15 Oct '12

The simple old-fashioned network configuration works just fine for basic cloud use-cases which I can think of, and NetworkManager a) brings in a lot of dependencies of little value in this case (e.g. ModemManager, wpa_supplicant). Plus, out of the box in the EC2 image, NetworkManager is the second-largest memory consumer (after dhclient). It's not huge, but if we want to get as JEOSy as possible, this seems pretty painless and straightforward. Thoughts? -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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pciutils in minimal ec2 image
by Bill Nottingham 12 Oct '12

12 Oct '12

This is an explicit addition in the kickstart. Anyone recall *why*? (If it's important enough, it should just get shoved into core. If it's not important enough, it should just get dropped....) Bill

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