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Fedora 20 TC2 AMIs
by Dennis Gilmore 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Final TC2 images have been uploaded to EC2 and are available at ami-3392b55a : us-east-1 image for i386 ami-f794b39e : us-east-1 image for x86_64 additionally if your looking to the AMI's they have been added to files in the release tree http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC2/Images/i386/Fedora-Images-… http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC2/Images/x86_64/Fedora-Image… when we get to final and the images are uploaded to all regions they will all be listed and the file will be gpg signed in the final tree Dennis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSjZC/AAoJEH7ltONmPFDREnQP/2y5fb33v+9yBxJ6pq0waKN1 KNOTAebB0dRkM5FAZJ70RqywQgwwrvPf77MM61cXto07mjm7/ZCyZ8gnVIyHAftd RzmTALL2sbTVapubGnN1klheXfTrR30Ht7GD5XiNicuJ/4MQ/akW1TJoRbqbOnpB YoP6mY8c+3TDMrETSc18GRS303nzHTsrmHygDlswBdkkSj9kGv5dRqwU7zE0uSUn QJm373KrlxEiWiLKmYJJXbsr3QrcHJ7EBG/vGvo+wux+tywx34+gAdgFDhcV2Q/0 YLz4S112gTqoDMWQM6f2/nmqeGZSonl+fRrxH/oJIp25khA0GhTmVke+ztmfODHT 95i1Xx6VuHNYcRFUkblkVsOkwAIFVch2ISLqNw5kLK64ti1A8vkgjVmMesuVbJNf JrMkU/CcwyCMD0gC1w/ReQDMU5VIdiIGyovV2V+jolQq28UL8TgQnd9xc51ZO28i IIHUOoboyDqCXbIcqTDCiWhuYjdqcAO9JcX7WvoQr6hWawgDmRtVtC4CCbZusSyL 13oK4xfienacnVVPGhcDOJ2wsSCbN0qmByx1HcKatkgw7g/likYhUe5INBVSu+2F lrJ8SUs3C31gu4uIeHRx7+79hI3d3naqAYI9KeSMWco2EoSOkhO0+KTco53IcEJV 7B+7SemC2u4zvWLFU8uH =uaFs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Proposed update, F20 cloud-init to 0.7.4 release
by Steven Hardy 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

Hi all, I've built and lightly tested an updated cloud-init package for F19/20: http://shardy.fedorapeople.org/cloud-init/cloud-init-0.7.4-1.fc19.noarch.rpm http://shardy.fedorapeople.org/cloud-init/cloud-init-0.7.4-1.fc19.src.rpm The 0.7.4 release includes a number of worthwhile bugfixes, which would be good to include in Fedora. I tested using the latest cloud image (F20-x86_64-TC2-20131120.qcow2), updated with this package, and two dependent packages (python-jsonpatch and python-jsonpointer). The jsonpatch/jsonpointer packages are available in the main repo for F20 and in updates for F19. Thanks, Steve

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The cloud images should log more on the serial console
by Attila Fazekas 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

Hi all, I have noticed two nits related to the console logging of the cloud images, and on other related to the cfn-tools. - When I boot up the f20 cloud image in openstack the log messages from the cloud-init is printed to the vnc console, but not visible on the serial console. It also messes up the login prompt on the vnc console. In this case the serial console logging is more practical in my opinion. For example If you need to troubleshoot metadata passing+login issues, parsing the serial console output is easier than OCR-ing on the vnc/spcie console. - The kick-start should log the %post related issues to the serial console, a macro argument like --log=/dev/console might be helpful, especially if you build the images inside openstack. - AFAIK the /usr/bin/cfn-create-aws-symlinks should be called as part of the image build process in order to create the symbolic links in the /opt/aws/bin/. Best Regards, Attila PS.: Now the rootfs is resize is working :) I will try to run devstack on the f20 images soon.

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Minutes from today's (11/20/2013) cloud WG meeting
by Sam Kottler 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

Thanks everyone who was able to make it to the meeting today! It seems like meeting at 17:00 UTC is tough for some people so we'll work on finding a better time going forward. For those who weren't able to make it, here are few important links: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeting… Log (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeting… Here's a summary of the meeting (link to the HTML and text versions above): ========================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Cloud WG weekly meeting ========================================== Meeting started by samkottler at 17:00:18 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * rollcall (samkottler, 17:01:08) * Google compute (samkottler, 17:06:23) * ACTION: mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream (mattdm, 17:09:06) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2013-November/002304.html (samkottler, 17:12:33) * marketing/design document (samkottler, 17:16:35) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3 (samkottler, 17:17:29) * open floor (samkottler, 17:21:03) * jzb sent out a rough pass at mizmo's questions (gholms, 17:27:33) * ACTION: jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week (gholms, 17:28:09) * HELP: Please help test f20 images (gholms, 17:30:20) Meeting ended at 17:30:39 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream * jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jzb * jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week * mattdm * mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * samkottler (52) * mattdm (32) * gholms (24) * jzb (8) * mrunge (6) * zodbot (5) * number80 (0) * rbergeron (0) 17:00:18 <samkottler> #startmeeting Cloud WG weekly meeting 17:00:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 20 17:00:18 2013 UTC. The chair is samkottler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:18 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:38 <samkottler> #chair mattdm rbergeron number80 17:00:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: mattdm number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:00:45 <mattdm> hello! 17:00:59 <samkottler> heyya 17:01:08 <samkottler> #topic rollcall 17:01:13 * samkottler is here :) 17:01:14 <mrunge> hey 17:01:23 * mrunge is very shortly here 17:01:26 <samkottler> #chair mrunge 17:01:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: mattdm mrunge number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:01:44 * mrunge suggests a different meeting time, as this is very inconvenient for me 17:02:18 <samkottler> mrunge: that's a good thing to talk about on the list 17:02:21 <samkottler> it's hard to do over IRC 17:02:32 <mrunge> I agree samkottler 17:02:47 <mrunge> esp. since there are other person not attending the meeting as well 17:02:58 <mattdm> thanks for coming nonetheless :) 17:03:18 <samkottler> indeed :) 17:03:31 <samkottler> let's just wait a couple more minutes for people to show up 17:03:47 <mrunge> well, I need to run away very shortly. so, I'll just drop off 17:04:36 * gholms goes to sit with the peanut gallery 17:06:00 <samkottler> okay I guess we'll get started, although we don't have quorum 17:06:09 * mattdm nods 17:06:23 <samkottler> #topic Google compute 17:06:35 <mattdm> I don't know exactly why but it's been a crazy chaotic week nad I feel like zero time has passed since last meeting. *sigh* 17:06:41 <samkottler> frankie isn't here so no update on packaging work right now 17:06:57 <samkottler> mattdm: yeah, same :( 17:07:12 <mattdm> looks like there was agreement on the mailing list that we should focus on cloud-init in the images 17:07:25 <samkottler> mattdm: yeah, seems like we don't even need to vote on that 17:07:32 <mattdm> gholms What do you think about carrying that debian patch? 17:07:56 <samkottler> I was gonna kick the tires on the tools google built, but totally ran out of time 17:08:05 <gholms> I think it should go upstream for review. 17:08:17 <gholms> Then I'm totally happy to grab it. 17:08:29 <samkottler> gholms: does canonical maintain the upstream? 17:08:51 <gholms> Yes 17:08:52 <mattdm> I'll ping the google people about that. 17:09:06 <mattdm> #action mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream 17:09:30 <samkottler> I also reached out to legal about the trusted tester agreement 17:09:40 <samkottler> it's being reviewed right now, I should have word back today or tomorrow 17:09:53 * gholms hopes they aren't reluctant due to canonical's ridiculous contributor licensing racket 17:09:53 <samkottler> things seem promising, though 17:09:56 * samkottler knocks on wood 17:10:01 <gholms> Nice! 17:10:05 <samkottler> gholms: you mean bzr? 17:10:06 <samkottler> :P 17:10:21 <gholms> Nah, the full copyright license thing. 17:10:34 * gholms saves the rant for later 17:10:36 <samkottler> I know, twas kidding :) 17:10:44 <gholms> ;) 17:11:08 <samkottler> so yeah, that's all I've got on the GCE front 17:11:20 <samkottler> anyone got anything else to add? 17:11:22 <mattdm> (they did indicate in a mailing list post that upstream was a goal) 17:11:27 <gholms> What's the trusted tester thing? 17:11:29 <mattdm> that's aall from me for now too. 17:12:11 <samkottler> gholms: google makes people who want to upload images sign a document called the trusted tester agreement to basically give access to more advanced/not thoroughly tested parts of GCE 17:12:33 <samkottler> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2013-November/002304.html 17:12:51 <gholms> Mere mortals can't upload their own images? How sad. :( 17:13:32 <samkottler> gholms: I think ultimately they will be able to 17:13:40 <samkottler> the features just aren't fully rolled out 17:14:05 * gholms hopes that happens soon 17:14:17 <mattdm> gholms that's actually the state of the art in pretty much most public clouds except ec2 17:15:06 <gholms> Yup. It's really disappointing. 17:16:00 <mattdm> Yup. Next thing, then? 17:16:35 <samkottler> #topic marketing/design document 17:17:25 <samkottler> so some background, the design + marketing teams have asked for some info about what our aims are 17:17:28 <samkottler> so they can plan accordingly 17:17:29 <samkottler> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3 17:17:56 <mattdm> it's a really good question :) 17:18:03 <samkottler> if we come across any issues that are contentious they'll have to wait until we have quorum, though 17:18:23 <gholms> I don't think people know the difference between a server and a cloud guest yet, so we probably don't even know ourselves. ;) 17:18:24 <samkottler> mattdm: yeah, slightly interdependent on the PRD 17:18:43 <mattdm> definitely. 17:19:12 <samkottler> jzb just sent a really nice reply to the list 17:19:26 <mattdm> okay, so, proposal: more list discussion here. 17:19:57 <mattdm> (and by here, i mean "on this topic") 17:20:03 <samkottler> mattdm: WFM 17:20:08 <mattdm> (not "here on irc". that would make no sense) 17:20:29 <gholms> There are more people on the list. :) 17:20:58 <samkottler> okay then 17:21:03 <samkottler> #topic open floor 17:21:24 <mattdm> I think we haven't really settled on how targetted we are going to be and how much we're going to do, say, jeos vs. some bigger solution (like coreos+docker) vs. "appliance library" 17:21:50 <samkottler> mattdm: sorry, do you want to keep the last topic going? 17:22:10 <mattdm> eh. that's basically all I have to say and I don't think we're going to decide it right now ;) 17:22:19 <samkottler> agreed 17:22:33 <samkottler> that's part of both the PRD and 'what even are we doing?!' 17:22:37 <gholms> It doesn't even seem like people agree on whether the server should be the minimal thing or the guest should. More discussion is needed. 17:22:55 * mattdm nods 17:23:06 <mattdm> and then an actual decision. 17:23:10 <samkottler> we should probably loop in the server WG 17:23:20 <samkottler> and then have a bigger convo about all this 17:23:36 <mattdm> yeah. I actually have a bunch of mail in my inbox to reply to that relates to all of this. and on the server wg mailing list. 17:23:55 * samkottler needs to subscribe to that list 17:24:05 * gholms is still mad at openstack for overloading the term "server" even more 17:24:15 <mattdm> It's also possible that we end up doing that has a lot of overlap but in different ways. That's not as nice as everything fitting into a jigsaw puzzle but would still be okay. 17:24:37 * gholms nods 17:24:51 <samkottler> gholms: and triple-O even further blurs the lines 17:25:00 <gholms> Heh, yep 17:25:12 <samkottler> treat your servers like cloud guests and then run your cloud guests on your cloud guests 17:25:15 <samkottler> AHHH 17:25:28 * jzb apologizes for being late. Damn time zones. 17:25:33 <samkottler> #chair jzb 17:25:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: jzb mattdm mrunge number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:25:58 <gholms> Heya, jzb 17:26:07 <jzb> gholms: howdy 17:26:10 <mattdm> jzb not too much at this meeting. got anything to raise? 17:26:19 <gholms> samkottler: Eucalyptus does that, and let me tell you, it's awesome. 17:26:26 <jzb> mattdm: have we discussed the branding stuff? 17:26:39 <mattdm> jzb mostly we said "more mailing list discussion" 17:26:41 <jzb> I sent out a rough pass at the Q's mizmo asked 17:26:45 <jzb> OK 17:26:51 <mattdm> i saw but havne't read yet 17:27:07 <jzb> I'm writing up notes from re:Invent that I will share to the list later this week 17:27:22 <mattdm> she asked for that back by dec 3 so I think we should try to have something to by official for next week 17:27:30 <mattdm> "to be" 17:27:33 <gholms> #info jzb sent out a rough pass at mizmo's questions 17:27:56 <jzb> that's all I've got unless someone's got a task for me 17:28:09 <gholms> #action jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week 17:28:51 * samkottler doesn't have any other topics 17:29:26 <mattdm> yep i think we're done for now. 17:29:40 <mattdm> f20 test candidate images are coming out.... 17:29:55 <mattdm> testing them is a helpful thing to do. :) 17:29:59 <jzb> mattdm: here I was worried I wouldn't have anything to do over Thanksgiving. 17:30:10 <mattdm> jzb right :) 17:30:20 <gholms> #help Please help test f20 images 17:30:39 <samkottler> #endmeeting

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Fedora 20 TC1 AMIs
by Dennis Gilmore 14 Nov '13

14 Nov '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Final TC1 images have been uploaded to EC2 and are available at ami-fb81a492 : us-east-1 image for i386 ami-6581a40c : us-east-1 image for x86_64 additionally if your looking to the AMI's they have been added to files in the release tree http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC1/Images/i386/Fedora-Images-… http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC1/Images/x86_64/Fedora-Image… when we get to final Beta and the images are uploaded to all regions they will all be listed and the file will be gpg signed in the final tree Dennis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJShWgdAAoJEH7ltONmPFDRx3IQAIKu/ICtzU20Wt798WaU8wVV OJ+4RXlWl1QS0pi8DHVG0oYrmxyFmQ/+cEExtmL9rq4cPGyPFIF9nHr7fdWjTe6L Ki9uUpS4o2py9sGxDzWZ7nqotdUhuzPUApQCqG+3qkRxIlKNJY6l/oNjrdQYe8L8 aNdKuFXq60DToVK9sO8ALDwFbx2UbRwCOzftHrLd8F2FlqkSVTmt+Tdq72lXYghD rBl/NL51ZfNn2lSN37LrragkNv2KCw9BFuooGnsEjRTxz1KrP5JEYJl+J6AEHAyF 64QE98jssIxJljedh9SnIW8ql6wYRBjs8MX0LDSj1mLtZLVyJU2tPIu1wCLzAq3U axUMIyiuLfsPccJcNCuKg8iom+KF1OzWRR//6uNiMzFccXWYP5zgHHuASHsDupDN eWBSLJadan+00Y7aRvuGrDYdqqj4Mr0ViPx6hFOYwe5Z6htTvVZXkvCnLZHsqzdR njmqwnV0kvQ2Pn/DZU4jQyjW3nDdVTddJauuls6f0sZOKlQICWw7XxN8O+B6mC8K ed1mIAAXa3qZdGWilcqe1ZUtL9Lvegf6sPK+5+8DceorCj8BJh4lTHkQFJPLog7/ hoHXtFSG4Slz8PNtT+i3GlmObo+6HXviC//67NZkQ2cvBYy1Kp9aHouJw//Lz82p 6lsFC3615ewhWpdQ54CF =357Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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GCE - cloud init, or google-daemon/google-startup-scripts
by Matthew Miller 14 Nov '13

14 Nov '13

The documentation for building an image for Google Compute Engine (GCE): https://developers.google.com/compute/docs/building-image Most of this is very similar to our existing cloud images. A few of the changes we could integrate across the board. Some will need testing (hostname setting?), but I don't see anything exotic. Debian is carrying a patch for cloud-init provided by Google http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725384, and we could do the same instead of integrating google-daemon and google-startup-scripts. I assume this will get upstream at some point (there is some discussion of that in the Debian bug). I don't _absolutely_ love cloud-init, but it's well-understood and common, and fits with our existing images, making it easier to document how to do things with our image, and etc. What do we think? -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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Interaction and intersection with the server WG
by Matthias Runge 14 Nov '13

14 Nov '13

Hey everybody, during yesterday's cloud WG meeting, the question about interaction and interference with the server WG came to us. There are quite a few intersection points, e.g. when thinking about providing cloud server infrastructure (which probably belongs to server WG). But when it comes to ssh key injection in the cloud image itself, we need both WG to collaborate. Thus, I'd like to ask for opinions: should we (as Cloud WG) take responsibilities for cloud infrastructure, should we deny that, how do you differentiate between cloud and server WG? Matthias

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Minutes from today's (11-13-2013) cloud WG meeting
by Sam Kottler 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

Thanks everyone who was able to make it to the meeting today! For those who weren't able to make it, here are few important links: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-13/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-13/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-13/fedora-meeting… Here's a summary of the meeting (link to the HTML version above): ========================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Cloud WG weekly meeting ========================================== Meeting started by samkottler at 17:00:31 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-13/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * rollcall (samkottler, 17:02:00) * agenda items (samkottler, 17:05:55) * A few tools need to get packaged for GCE support, primarily gcutil and image_bundle. All of them are free software and on GitHub. (gholms, 17:07:58) * ACTION: samkottler to figure out what's needed in koji to get images built there (samkottler, 17:09:44) * LINK: http://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2013/10/msg00004.html (mattdm, 17:12:43) * hguemar is looking to package gcutil and image_bundle (number80, 17:14:13) * LINK: https://code.google.com/p/google-compute-engine-tools/ (gholms, 17:15:18) * LINK: https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/compute-image-packages (samkottler, 17:18:18) * ACTION: mattdm to kick of thread re google scripts vs cloud-init (mattdm, 17:23:49) * governance document review before submission to FESCo (samkottler, 17:25:10) * ACCEPTED: add wording to charter about commiting to membership every 6 months like server wg (+6) (mattdm, 17:40:58) * ACCEPTED: governance charter as of https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Cloud/Governance&oldid=360627 ratified (mattdm, 17:44:39) * open floor (mattdm, 17:45:35) * we need to figure out our interaction with the server wg and how we define what we're doing (mattdm, 17:53:35) Meeting ended at 17:57:01 UTC. Action Items ------------ * samkottler to figure out what's needed in koji to get images built there * mattdm to kick of thread re google scripts vs cloud-init Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mattdm * mattdm to kick of thread re google scripts vs cloud-init * samkottler * samkottler to figure out what's needed in koji to get images built there * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * mattdm (92) * frankieonuonga (77) * samkottler (51) * mrunge (38) * number80 (21) * gholms (16) * nirik (8) * zodbot (5) * croberts (3) * geppetto (2) * dgilmore (1) * rbergeron (0) 17:00:31 <samkottler> #startmeeting Cloud WG weekly meeting 17:00:31 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 13 17:00:31 2013 UTC. The chair is samkottler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:31 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:49 <samkottler> #chair frankieonuonga mrunge mattdm rbergeron number80 geppetto 17:00:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: frankieonuonga geppetto mattdm mrunge number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:01:11 <samkottler> anyone I missed? 17:02:00 <samkottler> #topic rollcall 17:02:05 * frankieonuonga is here 17:02:18 * mrunge is here 17:02:19 * gholms takes a seat in the bleachers 17:02:52 * samkottler waits for a few more people to show up 17:03:28 * frankieonuonga suggests three min 17:03:29 <mrunge> imho red_trela said, he didn't had time for this meeting 17:04:16 <mattdm> hi all 17:04:22 <samkottler> hey mattdm! 17:04:25 <mrunge> hey 17:04:28 <number80> hi 17:04:30 <mattdm> sorry I am in a seriously split brain state :) 17:04:39 <gholms> mattdm: Isn't that the norm these days? :P 17:05:01 <mattdm> gholms apparently. :) 17:05:14 <mattdm> I'd take some time off to collect myself but that would just make the problem worse. 17:05:18 <mattdm> so here we are. :) 17:05:23 <samkottler> I have to head into a read-only state at 12:30 17:05:30 <samkottler> mattdm: are you okay with taking over at 12:30? 17:05:32 <mattdm> okay let's go then. :) 17:05:36 <mattdm> samkottler yep 17:05:39 <frankieonuonga> lets play 17:05:40 <samkottler> mattdm: thanks 17:05:45 <frankieonuonga> welcome guys 17:05:51 <frankieonuonga> i mean welcome folks 17:05:55 <samkottler> #topic agenda items 17:06:01 <samkottler> so GCE 17:06:15 <samkottler> I've been talking with the GCE people this past week and have good news 17:06:22 <mattdm> cool 17:06:26 <frankieonuonga> amazing . 17:06:34 <frankieonuonga> whats up ? 17:06:35 <samkottler> there are a few tools that need to get packaged, but all of them are free software and are on github 17:06:39 <mrunge> what is GCE ? 17:06:44 <samkottler> mrunge: google compute 17:06:48 <gholms> Google compute engine 17:06:55 <mrunge> ah, thanks, I see. 17:06:56 <mattdm> Google Compute Engine. A public cloud provider 17:06:56 <number80> samkottler: list them 17:07:19 <frankieonuonga> cool. 17:07:41 <frankieonuonga> samkottler: packaging should be easy 17:07:42 <samkottler> gcutil and image_bundler are the main two 17:07:48 <frankieonuonga> and at least they are open source 17:07:53 <samkottler> s/image_bundler/image_bundle 17:07:58 <gholms> #info A few tools need to get packaged for GCE support, primarily gcutil and image_bundle. All of them are free software and on GitHub. 17:08:20 <mattdm> I looked at the "what does the image need to look like" instructions 17:08:32 <mattdm> it seems like we are mostly in good shape already 17:09:20 <samkottler> I also spoke with dgilmore about how to get images built in koji and we will likely need to work with mikem to write a plugin to handle it 17:09:31 <mattdm> samkottler what format do the images need to be in? 17:09:44 <samkottler> #action samkottler to figure out what's needed in koji to get images built there 17:09:53 <frankieonuonga> samkottler and dgilmore please loop me into it 17:10:03 <frankieonuonga> that is what is needed for koji 17:10:16 <mattdm> samkottler I think they just want a raw disk file, actually. we already make that 17:10:19 <samkottler> frankieonuonga: absolutely, if you want to take charge on that item feel free :) 17:10:20 <frankieonuonga> this should go in line with rel-eng tasks right ? 17:10:30 <samkottler> mattdm: right, but do we need koji to upload it 17:10:39 <frankieonuonga> ok. 17:10:46 <mattdm> samkottler right now dennis uploads the ec2 images by hand 17:10:46 <samkottler> or do we just handle that externally? 17:10:49 <mattdm> koji doesn't do any uploading 17:11:01 <mattdm> we have the start of a separate uploader service for ec2 17:11:18 <mattdm> but it needs polish and finish. (the stuff andrew worked on last summer) 17:12:20 <samkottler> does someone want to take ownership of creating gcutil and image_bundle packages? 17:12:29 <samkottler> I can do a review for them, but I'm pretty swamped this week 17:12:40 <mattdm> we also maybe should look at GCE cloud-init integration 17:12:43 <mattdm> http://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2013/10/msg00004.html 17:12:45 <mattdm> gholms ^ 17:12:47 <frankieonuonga> I can take that 17:12:50 <frankieonuonga> not a problem 17:13:02 <frankieonuonga> how soon are they required ? 17:13:22 <mattdm> frankieonuonga it would be pretty nice to have this with F20 17:13:27 <mattdm> so soon :) 17:13:31 <samkottler> frankieonuonga: the sooner the better at this point 17:13:38 <samkottler> yeah, I'd love to get the tools into f20 17:14:04 <frankieonuonga> :-) ok. will look into it and mail you guys tomorrow..but i think i would like to be done by sat 17:14:10 * gholms attempts to find those tools on github 17:14:13 <number80> #info hguemar is looking to package gcutil and image_bundle 17:14:23 <dgilmore> samkottler: we need something out of koji that can run on a releng box and do the uploading 17:14:28 <number80> gcutil is on google code 17:14:41 <samkottler> number80: frankieonuonga already volunteered 17:14:45 <samkottler> you two wanna work together on that? 17:14:59 <samkottler> number80: yeah, I just sent searching again for it, too, and google code is the place 17:15:08 <samkottler> the google folks told me github, not sure why 17:15:18 <gholms> https://code.google.com/p/google-compute-engine-tools/ 17:15:24 <number80> https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/compute-image-packages/tree/master/i… 17:15:35 <number80> i found image_bundle, quite well hidden 17:15:46 <mattdm> number80, gholms, samkottler -- looks like debian is going with the cloud-init integration for running *in* the image 17:16:07 <gholms> mattdm: That's the idea, yeah. Do you happen to know if they bothered to ask upstream as well? 17:16:24 <number80> samkottler: ok, i already started with gcutil last week but i'm fine with leaving image_bundle 17:16:26 <number80> #undo 17:16:26 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x128aebd0> 17:16:28 <mattdm> gholms they said that they would but it might take some time. not sure what that's all about 17:16:45 <samkottler> #link https://code.google.com/p/google-compute-engine-tools/ 17:16:49 <frankieonuonga> samkottler: sure we can work on it together with hguemar 17:16:56 <gholms> samkottler: I already posted that one. ;) 17:17:03 <number80> yup 17:17:15 <samkottler> gholms: without hash-link :) 17:17:37 <gholms> samkottler: meetbot has picked up messages that start with links since 2010. 17:17:44 <samkottler> #undo 17:17:44 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x15360710> 17:17:52 <samkottler> gholms: still fresh at this - thanks :) 17:18:05 <gholms> No worries. I'm happy to help. ;) 17:18:18 <samkottler> https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/compute-image-packages 17:18:53 <gholms> I'm a little concerned by that google code page's source browser not actually containing any code, but I guess that's the best we're likely to get. 17:20:26 <samkottler> gholms: yeah, I noticed that too, not really sure what the deal is with it 17:20:30 <samkottler> I can ask the google folks 17:21:01 <samkottler> anyone else got stuff to add before we move on? 17:21:20 * gholms hopes all the bundled libs for gcutil are easy to split out 17:21:27 <mattdm> At some point we will have to decide if we want to configure the instance with cloud-init or google-startup-scripts 17:21:45 <frankieonuonga> mattdm: yeah you are right 17:21:49 <frankieonuonga> i totally agree. 17:22:12 <mattdm> but having them all available seems like a good start :) 17:22:12 <gholms> mattdm: Is the "one image for everything" idea still important? 17:22:12 <samkottler> I don't really like cloud-init all that much, but it's a known beast 17:22:20 <mattdm> samkottler +1 17:22:41 <gholms> cloud-init is kind of annoying, but on the bright side it's portable. 17:22:41 <samkottler> gholms: it is right now, that's a topic for another meeting 17:22:46 <frankieonuonga> can we lay down all pros and cons on email then decide 17:22:52 * gholms nods 17:22:53 <mattdm> +1 to take to email 17:23:00 <frankieonuonga> +1 17:23:12 <samkottler> who wants to kick off that thread? 17:23:49 <mattdm> #action mattdm to kick of thread re google scripts vs cloud-init 17:23:52 <mattdm> me 17:23:52 <number80> +1 17:23:58 <mrunge> +1 17:24:01 <samkottler> thanks mattdm 17:24:45 <samkottler> can we move on to the governance doc? 17:24:56 <number80> yes 17:25:10 <samkottler> #topic governance document review before submission to FESCo 17:25:25 <samkottler> mattdm: this will run longer than 5 minutes, so do you want to take over? 17:25:36 <mattdm> sure 17:25:56 <mattdm> although, um, I think the state of it is "mattdm said he would make some changes and isn't really done doing everything he said he would do" 17:26:06 * nirik has something for open floor if someone can ping me when it gets to that. ;) 17:26:28 * frankieonuonga will ping nirik 17:26:29 <mattdm> also, I think we should take a look at the docs from other groups and regularize language where we can 17:26:40 <number80> just to notice that there were no changes for 2 weeks 17:26:48 <frankieonuonga> is this the PRD? 17:26:50 <mattdm> so my proposal is for me to actually do those things and bring it back next week 17:26:56 <mattdm> frankieonuonga no, governance doc 17:27:01 <number80> frankieonuonga: nope: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Governance 17:27:01 <mattdm> number80 see above :) 17:27:02 <samkottler> mattdm: isn't it due tomorrow? 17:27:08 <frankieonuonga> I see. 17:27:15 <mattdm> gah. lookit the time. 17:27:31 <mattdm> okay so. new plan. :) 17:27:38 <gholms> Heh 17:28:02 <frankieonuonga> we might need to finlize this thing like now..in terms of pressing issues to be discussed . 17:28:05 <mattdm> I edited the document with the basic changes we agreed to last time. 17:28:15 * samkottler has to go mostly offline now 17:28:20 <mattdm> samkottler kk 17:28:57 <frankieonuonga> so what is basically expected in this doc that is not there 17:29:03 <mrunge> is there anything missing in that document? 17:29:07 <frankieonuonga> are there any issues that need clarification ? 17:29:48 <mattdm> one of the issues in the other documents is quorum 17:30:06 <frankieonuonga> mattdm: kindly expound 17:30:17 <mattdm> eh wait we covered that too 17:30:34 <frankieonuonga> oh yeahâ€¦two meetings ago 17:30:37 <frankieonuonga> that we did . 17:30:37 <number80> a quorum of 5 should be ok 17:30:55 <frankieonuonga> we just need to access that log and do what we agreed 17:30:56 <mattdm> okay, so the other thing is that the server wg has a bit about "Each voting member of the working group will confirm their continued membership every six months." 17:30:59 <mattdm> do we want that? 17:31:13 <frankieonuonga> we had talked about this right 17:31:21 <frankieonuonga> we agreed for now..no way. 17:31:34 <frankieonuonga> reasoning behind it was it is a short time to get things going 17:31:43 <frankieonuonga> especially in a field that is still fresh 17:31:57 <mattdm> frankieonuonga I think this was just a way for making sure everyone involved was still active 17:32:04 <mattdm> not a need for a revote 17:32:07 <number80> that's neat though i'd prefer people resigning by themselves 17:32:11 <mrunge> I don't see any issue with refreshing 17:32:27 <number80> the same 17:32:33 <frankieonuonga> wasnt this voted on in that meeting. 17:32:53 <mattdm> frankieonuonga yeah I just wanted to know if we wanted to add their idea 17:32:54 <frankieonuonga> sorry but I feel we might be having the same conversation again 17:33:03 <mrunge> I agree, when anyone can foresee, he has no time to work in the group, I'd expect him/her to resign 17:33:12 <mattdm> okay, so, sounds like we want to leave it as is. 17:33:34 * frankieonuonga nods 17:33:40 <mattdm> do we want to approve it as it is? 17:33:57 <mattdm> do we actually have quorum to do so? 17:33:57 <frankieonuonga> yes. 17:34:01 <mrunge> so, it's and appointment for lifetime? 17:34:10 <mrunge> s/and/an/ 17:34:13 <frankieonuonga> i think we need that until we are good to go.. 17:34:25 <frankieonuonga> or at least until things are of the ground 17:34:26 <mattdm> mrunge we assume there will be enough natural turnover 17:34:44 <mattdm> other groups went the same way 17:34:45 <number80> mrunge: until you're unable to serve like FPC 17:34:50 <mrunge> mattdm, if we can guarantee that 17:35:00 * croberts croberts is here running late 17:35:12 <mattdm> mrunge what, by making sure we burn everyone out? :) 17:35:18 * frankieonuonga waving at croberts 17:35:29 * mrunge likes fresh ideas from fresh people from time to time 17:35:50 <frankieonuonga> i think if we change ideas too soon when starting we will end up failing 17:35:54 <frankieonuonga> sorry to insist on this 17:36:04 <frankieonuonga> but this was discussed in length earlier 17:36:07 <frankieonuonga> with so many reasons 17:36:10 <samkottler> I'm lurking so I think we have quorum 17:36:15 <mrunge> and refreshing is something like refreshing commitment 17:36:55 <mattdm> mrunge okay, so, like the server wg wording? appointments stay until you step down, but you do need to say you still want to be involved? 17:37:05 <mattdm> I'm okay with either adding that or leaving it open as it is now. 17:37:27 <mattdm> "able and willing", with no hard-coded definition of what that means 17:37:30 <mrunge> mattdm, yes, I like that. that's more encouraging 17:37:54 <mrunge> ...encouraging people to do something, 17:38:22 <mrunge> we might want to change that, e.g time-span, if refreshing just becomes tedious 17:38:33 <mattdm> okay, so: proposal: add wording like server wg's about members confirming their membership every six months 17:38:39 <mattdm> +1 to my own proposal 17:38:45 <frankieonuonga> +1 17:38:49 <geppetto> +1 17:38:49 <mrunge> +1 for that 17:39:10 <number80> +1 17:39:15 <samkottler> +1 17:39:38 <croberts> +1 17:40:00 <mattdm> croberts wait that confuses my counting :) 17:40:11 <mrunge> heh 17:40:27 <mattdm> but anyway 17:40:28 <croberts> :P 17:40:53 <frankieonuonga> :-) 17:40:58 <mattdm> #accepted add wording to charter about commiting to membership every 6 months like server wg (+6) 17:41:06 <mattdm> anything else anyone wants to raise? 17:41:28 <mattdm> i went ahead and did that :) 17:41:52 <mattdm> so: proposal: accept governance charter as https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Cloud/Governance&oldid=360627 17:42:07 <mattdm> +1 to myself, again 17:42:08 <frankieonuonga> is there any missing content 17:42:19 <frankieonuonga> maybe something to be included ? 17:42:21 <frankieonuonga> i am not sure 17:42:26 <frankieonuonga> that is why i am asking 17:42:46 <mattdm> frankieonuonga Maybe. I like simple. We can always add additional rules / bylaws if needed 17:43:17 <samkottler> remember that we can always amend stuff 17:43:18 <mrunge> do we want to keep the list of members in that document? 17:43:27 <geppetto> mattdm: +1 â€¦ seems simple enough. 17:43:29 <frankieonuonga> ok . sounds fine. I know nothing about this ..so I will just agree 17:43:44 <mrunge> ... if members change, that document needs to be reviewed again... 17:43:45 <mattdm> mrunge I think so, because it's important for that to be easily findable. 17:43:46 <samkottler> mattdm: +1 17:43:57 <frankieonuonga> +1 17:44:04 <number80> mattdm: +1 17:44:05 <mrunge> ok. +1 tjem 17:44:09 <mrunge> then 17:44:15 <mattdm> mrunge i think it's implied that that section can change to match reality 17:44:23 <mattdm> okay so that's 6 17:44:39 <mattdm> #accepted governance charter as of https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Cloud/Governance&oldid=360627 ratified 17:44:40 <mrunge> I'd expect that kind of information somewhere, mattdm 17:44:53 <mrunge> (members etc.) 17:45:16 * mattdm notes that when the fedora board changed this year, it took 6 months for the list to get updated. :) 17:45:30 <mattdm> okay, so, fesco meeting soon so let's move on. 17:45:35 <mattdm> #topic open floor 17:45:42 <mattdm> nirik? 17:45:47 <frankieonuonga> let me get nirik 17:45:47 <mrunge> yes 17:45:57 <nirik> Just something to ponder on/bring up: 17:46:31 <nirik> how do you folks see the interaction between the server wg and cloud wg? do you want us to handle the server end and you just do images? or you do both? or ? 17:46:57 <nirik> for example, an openstack server is something we might want to make a server role... 17:47:09 <mrunge> well.... 17:47:24 <frankieonuonga> I have a diff opinion 17:47:26 <nirik> I don't know that we need an answer right now, but something to think about? 17:47:26 <mattdm> nirik I think that that's what we're thinking, yes. 17:47:39 <mattdm> nirik looks like we don't have consensus :) 17:47:56 <frankieonuonga> we may need someone on both ends 17:48:00 <mattdm> i think we might provide images for compute hosts in openstack 17:48:06 <frankieonuonga> cause one can not exist without the other 17:48:25 <mrunge> frankieonuonga, no. a server could live without a cloud image 17:48:28 <frankieonuonga> I think that we also need top look at all other platforms 17:48:54 <frankieonuonga> to look i mean 17:49:00 <frankieonuonga> a server could do that 17:49:07 <mrunge> my initial thought saw the cloud wg as wg to provide infrastructure to host cloud images 17:49:20 <number80> nirik: the server WG is quite central due to the various usage, i think that cloud WG will serve as a stakeholder for cloud hosting and we will probably participate to the making and testing 17:49:21 <frankieonuonga> but a server can also exist without having open stack. 17:49:23 <mrunge> and everything in that image will be filled by server wg 17:49:31 <frankieonuonga> there are too many variables 17:50:00 <nirik> right, it's interaction on many levels. ;) 17:50:25 <mattdm> mrunge The Fedora Cloud SIG has traditionally been focused on making Amazon images... in your model there's nothing for us to do. :) 17:50:29 <nirik> there's the bare metal side/server, and then inside cloud instances there could be many servers that people want to run 17:51:08 <frankieonuonga> I think this is something we need to look into for sur e 17:51:10 <frankieonuonga> sure i mean 17:51:20 <mrunge> mattdm, oh yes, there is. but I agreed to shut up ;-) 17:51:27 <mattdm> mrunge lol :) 17:51:43 <mattdm> nirik does that answer your question? heh. 17:51:48 <frankieonuonga> mrunge: dont shut up 17:52:04 <mrunge> frankieonuonga, let's discuss that at a different time 17:52:06 <frankieonuonga> I think this is a healthy conversation 17:52:11 <mattdm> +1 :) 17:52:19 <frankieonuonga> I think we should kick it of on email 17:52:23 <number80> +1 17:52:35 <nirik> yeah, just wanted to start everyone thinking about it. 17:52:44 <frankieonuonga> thanks nirik 17:52:52 <mattdm> frankieonuonga i think this is the 'ZOMG WHAT ARE WE BUILDING?!' thread from last week? 17:53:03 <mattdm> but another thread with a more specific title wouldn't hurt :) 17:53:14 <mattdm> frankieonuonga or mrunge you want to do that? 17:53:25 <mrunge> and I guess, there was an earlier thread as well 17:53:35 <mattdm> #info we need to figure out our interaction with the server wg and how we define what we're doing 17:53:41 <mrunge> mattdm, I can do that 17:53:41 <frankieonuonga> I have already taken a taskâ€¦I dont want to seem like i am hogging 17:53:54 <mattdm> cool mrunge go for it :) 17:53:56 * frankieonuonga thankful that mrunge has taken that 17:54:15 <mrunge> as if my plate wasn't already full enough 17:54:30 <mattdm> I hear you. :) 17:54:35 <mrunge> no, will do that 17:54:35 <frankieonuonga> no offence 17:54:41 <mattdm> okay, so other topics :) 17:54:45 <mattdm> if any. 17:54:46 <frankieonuonga> which reminds me..what happen to that google thing we were to sign for non disclosure or something like that ? 17:54:56 <mattdm> frankieonuonga ping samkottler on that? 17:55:06 <samkottler> frankieonuonga: email me and I'll have them reach out 17:55:06 <frankieonuonga> ok will do 17:55:13 <frankieonuonga> will do 17:55:39 <mrunge> why should there be an nda? it's under ASL, right? 17:55:55 <mrunge> but confirming is better 17:56:57 <mattdm> okay, so I'm going to end the meeting because I need to grab food quick before fesco starts. 17:57:01 <mattdm> #endmeeting

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Roles and responsibilities
by Frankie 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

Hi folks, I trust all is well. I also hope you all had a great weekend. As per our meeting last week(2013-11-06) I am sending out this email. I would love to get to work on the landing page really soon. In order to do that I request that we list down what people would love to be in charge of. It gives us the roles of the various group members and their responsibilities I think this is necessary so it makes it easier for someone to be reached in regards to a specific topic, workflow e.t.c. (Something to do with bureaucracy ) - Just joking. Anyway So just to get the ball rolling, as per the meeting I took up release engineering with Dgilmore. Please do advice what you would like to take up. This does not limit us to what the group will be limited to. I am sure we can squeeze in more if required . Thank you and good day/night. Kind Regards, Onuonga Frankie -- Skype: Frankie.Onuonga twitter: Frankieonuonga irc #freenode: Frankie.onuonga

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Reminder + topics for tomorrow's (11/13/2013) cloud WG meeting
by Sam Kottler 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-11-13 17:00 UTC' = Followups = * Licensing and 'packageability' of the tools needed to build images for GCE = New business = * Governance document final review and vote before submission to FESCo If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/cloud, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor. See you all tomorrow at 17:00 UTC! -Sam P.S. I've ripped off this template from FESCo meeting schedules and will try to keep the format the same going forward.

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