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Reminder + topics for Wednesday's (12/11/2013) cloud WG meeting
by Sam Kottler 11 Dec '13

11 Dec '13

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the cloud WG meeting Wednesday at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. I think we should primarily focus on the PRD since we agreed earlier that we'd work on getting it done by 12/15. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-12-11 17:00 UTC' = Followups = * Final discussion around product branding (https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3) * More work on the PRD If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/cloud, or bring it up at the end of the meeting during the open floor. -Sam

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Feedback: Cloud image F20 TC2
by Juerg Haefliger 10 Dec '13

10 Dec '13

All, I finally found the time to do some testing with the F20 image in HP Cloud Beta which runs some sort of OpenStack Havana. Here are my comments (which are obviously very OpenStack centric): Overall it looks very sound. Good job, Matt! As mentioned by others, logging could be improved. Currently, only kernel messages are written to the (serial) console log. If something goes wrong higher up in the stack (like cloud-init is unable to contact the metadata service or a crucial initrd process fails) we can't tell, unless there's access to the virtual console of the instance which not every cloud operator provides. If we reverse the 'console' options of the kernel command line, we get those messages on the serial console which helps with debugging boot issues. Also, I'm not sure how useful the 115200n8 ttyS0 option is, it's a virtual port after all. Lastly, Ubuntu uses console=tty1 instead of tty0 for reasons explained in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1016695. I admit I do not fully understand the impact of using tty1 (first console) vs tty0 (foreground console) and neither do I think we need to blindly copy Ubuntu but they are the cloud-init guys after all and they do provide very solid OpenStack cloud images so it seems like they know what they're doing :-) Given that, my proposal is to use the following console kernel command line options: 'console=tty1 console=ttyS0' I was quite surprised to learn that the image can be enlarged to 2TB. Other images fail because the ext4 journal is too small. I haven't looked into it in detail but do you use special parameters when formatting the root partition? ...Juerg

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PRD Release/Product Overview
by Joe Brockmeier 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

Hi all, Have taken a first crack at the Release/Product Overview section of the PRD. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_PRD#Release.2FProduct_Overview Would appreciate more eyeballs and feedback on this section. One area I was unsure on, the "major release themes" - any thoughts on what content we're looking for here? -- Joe Brockmeier | Principal Cloud & Storage Analyst jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/ Twitter: @jzb | http://dissociatedpress.net/

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live images import the rpm gpg key -- should we do this too?
by Matthew Miller 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

This bug came to my attention from the go/no-go meeting <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023178> https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/commit/?id=32e066e039… Do we want to do this too? (I kind of think so.) -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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Fedora.next Product Branding for Cloud
by Máirín Duffy 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

Hi folks, With the creation of 3 products for Fedora, the Fedora Design Team anticipates many new questions around Fedora's brand. As the main caretakers of the Fedora brand, we're going to have to figure these things out within the next few months. For example, the Design Team is starting to think about how to answer these types of questions: • Should each product have its own logo? or • Can you add our product to the Fedora website? or • Can you make our product its own website? (How should we represent these products on the website? Should we allow products to have their own separate websites?) To start off the rebranding discussion, the Fedora Design Team has 4 basic questions for each of the 3 product-focused working groups to answer: (1) What problem does your product solve, in one sentence? (2) Who is the target audience for your product, in one sentence? (3) List at least 5 products that successfully target the same target audience you are after. (4) List at least 5 products that try to solve the same problem. We are reaching out to each group individually to ask that you discuss these questions and come back to us with answers by Wednesday, December 4, 2013. I was hoping you could answer these questions for the cloud product; please let me know if this isn't a reasonable timeline or if you need any help coming up with the answers! Thanks, ~m

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Fedora 20 TC5 AMIs
by Dennis Gilmore 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Final TC5 images have been uploaded to EC2 and are available at ami-f9755890 : us-east-1 image for i386 ami-1d7a5774 : us-east-1 image for x86_64 additionally if your looking to the AMI's they have been added to files in the release tree http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC5/Images/i386/Fedora-Images-… http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC5/Images/x86_64/Fedora-Image… when we get to final and the images are uploaded to all regions they will all be listed and the file will be gpg signed in the final tree Dennis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSoQrGAAoJEH7ltONmPFDRn04P/2GvkN1YeUZExx/HksQpH9g/ /Fc8D+7ksmfB/fS0GkrRZM1QrG3VhYbOnPI17UxFCMWtpnMT5LAlxtjiOtMMDGLl TPJ5VrYWf4JhsBl6JyX37WVxxNcvYbgwb3VVOp1+Oc/AZa7d1Cn3bIq/Z235+TDP pHpxcif8vcUFxwaNj1dWZQXDOF7A24BnUatFPdm0Ukv5NwkQzHvb0mRJlhsxKzEV 4wJKPdw35JbuSnRbXJ97HSsAw6ZTpHShq3iATlO1Fny77M7WxDy0g3PHh1nLBrbL F58JTT9fMWLzkSUcemBGotlfbJiHRZdk2XcIY0G13fLM2MkMdEeCoBqlbvASXpdt N4NgQiFfBTaZl7Y/AN06eVxiNQ03Rz/k50SjHnSAhyXLIL1i2bK0KJ3uObv9IfQc 4dLcKBpvTMRzWgW1RuiUyJzLu/iWA8ha0D6Lol8rkkoLqit6G/300HQcKYw8varD wZZE/oV+Y58+WOk/FYQL2MhDZI5QMj2wTpwXgPMi22tlIXe0hnqmi9or4BUIRBXG 3wlI7/yd1bOi5Oi/enX9ByHTgay0W+KBOMc6s7xqfSk3KY3S32Pat13+QlmOOCUN C2JxvCQz+Y5NDl1v3I/uhL3+QOTkfBTGw2MTQ4daMQAy6XfcenPVyvhdlKjoZ1zz jlSxIR6/kdxovjEl6C6i =Hqj9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Minutes from today's (12/04/2013) cloud WG meeting
by Haïkel 05 Dec '13

05 Dec '13

Thanks everyone who was able to make it to the meeting today! For those who weren't able to make it, here are few important links: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-04/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-04/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-04/fedora-meeting… Log (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-04/fedora-meeting… Here's a summary of the meeting (link to the HTML and text versions above): ========================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Cloud WG weekly meeting ========================================== Meeting started by number80 at 17:02:17 UTC. The full logs are available athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-04/fedora-meeti… . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (number80, 17:02:30) * Release cadence and lifecyle (number80, 17:08:47) * AGREED: cadence release to be monthly + trigger-based updates until we're more confident on automated testing (rbergeron) (number80, 17:24:10) * Product Branding (number80, 17:25:06) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3 (number80, 17:25:30) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3 a ticket has been opened on our trac (number80, 17:25:41) * AGREED: jzb will complete the ticket https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3 and forward it to the design team (number80, 17:30:10) * PRD (number80, 17:32:47) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3 it hasn't changed much (or at all) since last meeting (number80, 17:33:24) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_PRD (number80, 17:34:14) * if PRD is still stuck next week, organize a mini-hackfest to fix that (few hours) (number80, 17:42:53) * AGREED: frankieonuonga taking lead on cloudstack/ jzb on Release/Product Overview (number80, 17:44:09) * Release criteria for post-F20 cloud images (number80, 17:50:57) * ACTION: rbergeron to poke mr. neary re: personas (rbergeron, 17:50:57) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/4 trac ticket opened by mattdm on that matter (+ discussion kickstarted on the list) (number80, 17:51:54) * AGREED: postponing the discussion about release criteria after F20 release (discussion could continue in the ticket) (number80, 17:59:35) * Relation with server WG (number80, 18:01:16) * AGREED: move the discussion about the cloud/server WG relation and their overlap to the list (number80, 18:04:00) * Openfloor (number80, 18:04:21) * we have nightly qcow nightly builds thanks to Rel-eng koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all&view=tree&method=appliance&orde… (number80, 18:04:56) Meeting ended at 18:09:20 UTC. Action Items ------------ * rbergeron to poke mr. neary re: personas Action Items, by person ----------------------- * rbergeron * rbergeron to poke mr. neary re: personas * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * number80 (92) * rbergeron (52) * frankieonuonga (31) * mattdm (30) * jzb (21) * geppetto (7) * zodbot (5) * gholms (3) * jzb_ (1) Best regards, H.

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blurb for web site
by Matthew Miller 04 Dec '13

04 Dec '13

The web team asked me to come up with a blurb for a slide on http://fedoraproject.org/. Something like: Cloud Computing with Fedora Fedora's guest image makes the perfect foundation for your fast-moving cloud project. Available in EC and other public cloud providers, and for download in qcow2 and raw.xz formats for your private cloud. Learn More > ? -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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Relationship with Fedora Server Workgroup
by Joe Brockmeier 04 Dec '13

04 Dec '13

Since we deferred this to the mailing list during the meeting, I'm starting the thread here on the list... So... let's discuss. :-) Best, jzb -- Joe Brockmeier | Principal Cloud & Storage Analyst jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/ Twitter: @jzb | http://dissociatedpress.net/

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we have nightly qcow builds now!
by Matthew Miller 04 Dec '13

04 Dec '13

Thanks to Fedora Infrastructure and Rel-Eng, we've got this: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all&view=tree&method=applian… It's not the prettiest list, but once we have fedmsg for scratch builds (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3929) we can make a service to maintain a more user-friendly one. For now, look in the link above for the latest qcow2 or raw.xz corresponding to the cloud kickstart. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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