Please review / comment on / help with AWS Marketplace listing

[Matthew Miller]

Here's the details for the form I'm going to submit. Would appreciate your
input, especially on the Highlights. My comments in [brackets].

Company Description:

The Fedora Project is a worldwide community of people who love, use, and
  build free software. We want to lead in the creation and spread of free
  code and content by working together as a community. Fedora is sponsored
  by Red Hat, the world's most trusted provider of open source technology.
  Red Hat invests in Fedora to encourage collaboration and incubate
  innovative new free software technologies.

Software By:

Fedora Project

Title:

Fedora 17

Version Title:

Fedora 17 (Beefy Miracle) 2012.05.15

[Note: I put the date there because I'd like to leave open the option of
   updated image spins. Open to suggestions on how best to do this.]

Release Notes:

Official Fedora Cloud image.

Description:

Fedora is a Linux-based operating system built on our community's four
  foundations: freedom, features, friends, and first. The Fedora Cloud image
  in EC2 provides a functional core on top of which any of tens of thousands
  of free and open source software packages can be easily added.

Highlight1:

Free and Open Source: built by a collaborative community using entirely
  free software.

Highlight2:

Core Image Ready to Build Upon: use yum to add any of tens of thousands of
  software packages, or drop in your own code.

[Avoid "minimal", because it isn't. Should I use a more precise count of
  packages?]

Highlight3:

NEED SOMETHING HERE

[Security? Fedora-ness? Values? Highlight some particlar awesomness?]

Support Offered:

FALSE

[This is a boolean. We _do_ offer community support, of course. Should
  maybe be true?]

Support Detail:

Community supported. Visit Ask Fedora (http://ask.fedoraproject.org/), or
  get involved by joining the Fedora Cloud SIG
  (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG). You can help us make Fedora in
  the Cloud even more awesome for everyone.

Product Category1:

Operating System

Product Category2:

[blank]

Search Keywords:

open source, free, core

Image URL:

http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#cloud

Resource1 Name & Resource1 URL:

Fedora Project  
  https://fedoraproject.org/

Resource2 Name & Resource2 URL:

Fedora Cloud SIG
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG

Resource3 Name & Resource3 URL:

Source Code
  http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/17/Fedora/source...

Product Video:

[none]

Usage Instructions:

Connect with SSH. No web services are installed or configured by default.
  Fedora's EC2 images follow standard EC2 login conventions, meaning that
  root login is disabled, but sudo access is granted. The default username
  for the images is ec2-user.

End User License Agreement Text:

[Copied from
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/LicenseAgreement17]

Refund and Cancelation Policy:

Fedora is available free of charge. Normal Amazon Web Services terms
  apply.

Available in Regions....

True for all.

Endpoint URL Protocol:

ssh

[hopefully, I can get them to construct a ssh://ec2-user@.... URL]

Upgrade Instructions:

[Blank for now]

Recommended Instance Type:

Standard Large

Available Instnace Types:

All except GPU. (Including Micro)

Pricing:

Zeros.

Security Groups:

tcp, 80, 80, 0.0.0.0/0
  tcp, 443, 443, 0.0.0.0/0
  tcp, 22, 22, 0.0.0.0/0

[These are defaults for one-click launch]

[itamar]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Matthew Miller
 wrote:
> Here's the details for the form I'm going to submit. Would appreciate your
> input, especially on the Highlights. My comments in [brackets].
>
> Company Description:
>
> The Fedora Project is a worldwide community of people who love, use, and
>   build free software. We want to lead in the creation and spread of free
>   code and content by working together as a community. Fedora is sponsored
>   by Red Hat, the world's most trusted provider of open source technology.
>   Red Hat invests in Fedora to encourage collaboration and incubate
>   innovative new free software technologies.
>
> Software By:
>
> Fedora Project
>
> Title:
>
> Fedora 17
>
> Version Title:
>
> Fedora 17 (Beefy Miracle) 2012.05.15
>
> [Note: I put the date there because I'd like to leave open the option of
>    updated image spins. Open to suggestions on how best to do this.]
>
> Release Notes:
>
> Official Fedora Cloud image.
>
> Description:
>
> Fedora is a Linux-based operating system built on our community's four
>   foundations: freedom, features, friends, and first. The Fedora Cloud image
>   in EC2 provides a functional core on top of which any of tens of thousands
>   of free and open source software packages can be easily added.
>
> Highlight1:
>
> Free and Open Source: built by a collaborative community using entirely
>   free software.
>
> Highlight2:
>
> Core Image Ready to Build Upon: use yum to add any of tens of thousands of
>   software packages, or drop in your own code.
>
> [Avoid "minimal", because it isn't. Should I use a more precise count of
>   packages?]
>
> Highlight3:
>
> NEED SOMETHING HERE
>
> [Security? Fedora-ness? Values? Highlight some particlar awesomness?]
>
> Support Offered:
>
> FALSE
>
> [This is a boolean. We _do_ offer community support, of course. Should
>   maybe be true?]
>
> Support Detail:
>
> Community supported. Visit Ask Fedora (http://ask.fedoraproject.org/), or
>   get involved by joining the Fedora Cloud SIG
>   (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG). You can help us make Fedora in
>   the Cloud even more awesome for everyone.
>
> Product Category1:
>
> Operating System
>
> Product Category2:
>
> [blank]
>
> Search Keywords:
>
> open source, free, core
>
> Image URL:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#cloud
>
> Resource1 Name & Resource1 URL:
>
> Fedora Project
>   https://fedoraproject.org/
>
> Resource2 Name & Resource2 URL:
>
> Fedora Cloud SIG
>   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG
>
> Resource3 Name & Resource3 URL:
>
> Source Code
>   http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/17/Fedora/source...
>
> Product Video:
>
> [none]
>
> Usage Instructions:
>
> Connect with SSH. No web services are installed or configured by default.
>   Fedora's EC2 images follow standard EC2 login conventions, meaning that
>   root login is disabled, but sudo access is granted. The default username
>   for the images is ec2-user.
>
> End User License Agreement Text:
>
> [Copied from
>   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/LicenseAgreement17]
>
> Refund and Cancelation Policy:
>
> Fedora is available free of charge. Normal Amazon Web Services terms
>   apply.
>
> Available in Regions....
>
> True for all.
>
> Endpoint URL Protocol:
>
> ssh
>
> [hopefully, I can get them to construct a ssh://ec2-user@.... URL]
>
> Upgrade Instructions:
>
> [Blank for now]
>
> Recommended Instance Type:
>
> Standard Large
>
> Available Instnace Types:
>
> All except GPU. (Including Micro)
>
> Pricing:
>
> Zeros.
>
> Security Groups:
>
> tcp, 80, 80, 0.0.0.0/0
>   tcp, 443, 443, 0.0.0.0/0
>   tcp, 22, 22, 0.0.0.0/0
>
> [These are defaults for one-click launch]

sounds good, go ahead.

[Robyn Bergeron]

On 10/25/2012 07:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Here's the details for the form I'm going to submit. Would appreciate your
> input, especially on the Highlights. My comments in [brackets].

All in all, I think it looks reasonably decent. I have some comments on 
some of the descriptions - I think the Overview page on the wiki has a 
lot of usefulness in terms of description of community/product.

My other note is that - esp. in the "company description" since it's the 
page about "fedora" the distro - we should probably be more consistent 
in our references to Fedora vs. the Fedora Project -

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview
> Company Description:
>
> The Fedora Project is a worldwide community of people who love, use, and
>    build free software. We want to lead in the creation and spread of free
>    code and content by working together as a community. Fedora is sponsored
>    by Red Hat, the world's most trusted provider of open source technology.
>    Red Hat invests in Fedora to encourage collaboration and incubate
>    innovative new free software technologies.

Maybe... and can we break it up into 2 paragraphs?

The Fedora Project is a worldwide, open partnership of free software 
contributors and enthusiasts.  Our mission is to lead the advancement of 
free and open source software and content as a collaborative community.

The Fedora Project is primarily sponsored by Red Hat, the world's most 
trusted provider of open source technology.  (I'm not quite sold on your 
last line re: why red hat invests, but can go either way, I'm not too picky)

One thing to consider: Is it worth highlighting more specifically that 
Fedora is the upstream for RHEL?
> Software By:
>
> Fedora Project
>
> Title:
>
> Fedora 17
>
> Version Title:
>
> Fedora 17 (Beefy Miracle) 2012.05.15
>
> [Note: I put the date there because I'd like to leave open the option of
>     updated image spins. Open to suggestions on how best to do this.]

That's fine, though I think it would be good to make clear that it's not 
something like a "nightly image" kind of thing. We don't have to drill 
into details on "how we'd do that" right now, I agree it's useful to 
keep the option open.
> Release Notes:
>
> Official Fedora Cloud image.
>
> Description:
>
> Fedora is a Linux-based operating system built on our community's four
>    foundations: freedom, features, friends, and first. The Fedora Cloud image
>    in EC2 provides a functional core on top of which any of tens of thousands
>    of free and open source software packages can be easily added.

/Fedora/is a Linux-based operating system that providesa wide audience 
of users http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_basewith access to the 
latestfree and open source software 
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, in astable 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA,secure 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Featuresand easy to manage 
form. The Fedora cloud image in EC2 (blah blah blah, what you have above)
> Highlight1:
>
> Free and Open Source: built by a collaborative community using entirely
>    free software.
>
> Highlight2:
>
> Core Image Ready to Build Upon: use yum to add any of tens of thousands of
>    software packages, or drop in your own code.
>
> [Avoid "minimal", because it isn't. Should I use a more precise count of
>    packages?]
>
> Highlight3:
>
> NEED SOMETHING HERE
>
> [Security? Fedora-ness? Values? Highlight some particlar awesomness?]
>
> Support Offered:
>
> FALSE
>
> [This is a boolean. We _do_ offer community support, of course. Should
>    maybe be true?]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh. That seems misleading, I think to have it as true.
> Support Detail:
>
> Community supported. Visit Ask Fedora (http://ask.fedoraproject.org/), or
>    get involved by joining the Fedora Cloud SIG
>    (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG). You can help us make Fedora in
>    the Cloud even more awesome for everyone.
>
> Product Category1:
>
> Operating System
>
> Product Category2:
>
> [blank]
>
> Search Keywords:
>
> open source, free, core
>
> Image URL:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#cloud
>
> Resource1 Name & Resource1 URL:
>
> Fedora Project
>    https://fedoraproject.org/
>
> Resource2 Name & Resource2 URL:
>
> Fedora Cloud SIG
>    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG
>
> Resource3 Name & Resource3 URL:
>
> Source Code
>    http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/17/Fedora/source...

I guess this is more of a technical question: How does the above link 
accurately represent things if we - as you described above - have 
different "more updated but still F17" images? Do we think people will 
be confused / looking for F17 - date/morepreciseversion/etc?
> Product Video:
>
> [none]
>
> Usage Instructions:
>
> Connect with SSH. No web services are installed or configured by default.
>    Fedora's EC2 images follow standard EC2 login conventions, meaning that
>    root login is disabled, but sudo access is granted. The default username
>    for the images is ec2-user.
>
> End User License Agreement Text:
>
> [Copied from
>    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/LicenseAgreement17]
>
> Refund and Cancelation Policy:
>
> Fedora is available free of charge. Normal Amazon Web Services terms
>    apply.

We might include something saying "Normal Amazon Web Services terms and 
charges" or "terms, including costs for storage and 
bandwidth/uploading/downloading/whatever" apply.

Also: Since we have a mirror internal to amazon - is that something 
worth highlighting? Or does the AWS marketplace work differently from 
regular EC2 (I haven't looked in detail at any differences)
> Available in Regions....
>
> True for all.

This is not really true in EC2, I don't think we're doing Fedora in 
non-us regions, are we? - does AWS marketplace provide wider availability?
> Endpoint URL Protocol:
>
> ssh
>
> [hopefully, I can get them to construct a ssh://ec2-user@.... URL]
>
> Upgrade Instructions:
>
> [Blank for now]
>
> Recommended Instance Type:
>
> Standard Large

Is this basically a bulletpoint option, or is there additional text that 
we could include as to why (ie: standard large - Recommended for common 
use cases like $unicornbuilding, $bikeshedding, etc)
> Available Instnace Types:
>
> All except GPU. (Including Micro)
>
> Pricing:
>
> Zeros.
>
> Security Groups:
>
> tcp, 80, 80, 0.0.0.0/0
>    tcp, 443, 443, 0.0.0.0/0
>    tcp, 22, 22, 0.0.0.0/0
>
> [These are defaults for one-click launch]

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:29:05AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> My other note is that - esp. in the "company description" since it's
> the page about "fedora" the distro - we should probably be more
> consistent in our references to Fedora vs. the Fedora Project -

FWIW, I lifted that part from http://fedoraproject.org/en/about-fedora, with
very minor wording tweaks. I like your "Our mission is..." wording better.

The Fedora Project is a worldwide, open partnership of free software
  contributors and enthusiasts. Our mission is to lead the advancement
  of free and open source software and content as a collaborative
  community.
> The Fedora Project is primarily sponsored by Red Hat, the world's most
> trusted provider of open source technology. (I'm not quite sold on your
> last line re: why red hat invests, but can go either way, I'm not too
> picky)

Again lifted from about-fedora. I'm not sure how exactly relevant it is
anyway.
> One thing to consider: Is it worth highlighting more specifically that
> Fedora is the upstream for RHEL?

"Fedora is the foundation for Red Hat Enterprise Linux, a powerful
enterprise OS.", says http://fedoraproject.org/en/features/.

If we say this at all, I'd like to stress that it's not just a preview, but
a place for collaboration and innovation which feeds into RHEL. Although we
kick the term around a lot, "upstream" might not mean much to non-distro
people.

Fedora is the foundation for Red Hat Enterprise Linux, and Red Hat
  sponsors the Fedora Project to encourage collaboration and incubate
  innovative new free software technologies.

?
> > Fedora 17 (Beefy Miracle) 2012.05.15
> >   [Note: I put the date there because I'd like to leave open the option
> >    of updated image spins. Open to suggestions on how best to do this.]
>
> That's fine, though I think it would be good to make clear that it's
> not something like a "nightly image" kind of thing. We don't have to
> drill into details on "how we'd do that" right now, I agree it's
> useful to keep the option open.

Fedora 17 (Beefy Miracle) 2012.05

with no day. If we happen to do more than one update a month (I hope not) we
can add it for that time only.
> > Description:
>
> Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that provides a wide audience of
> users http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base with access to the
> latestfree and open source software
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, in a stable
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA, secure
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features and easy to manage form.
> The Fedora cloud image in EC2 (blah blah blah, what you have above)

Not sure we can have hyperlinks here. Without it, that'd be:

Fedora is a Linux-based operating system which provides a wide audience of
  users with access to the latest free and open source software in a stable,
  secure, and easy to manage form. The Fedora Cloud image in EC2 provides a
  functional core on top of which any of tens of thousands of free and open
  source software packages can be easily added.

How's that sound? (I'll check about the links.)
> > Support Offered:
> >   FALSE
> >   [This is a boolean. We _do_ offer community support, of course. Should
> >   maybe be true?]
>
> Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh. That seems misleading, I think to have it as true.

Done.
> > Source Code
> >   http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/17/Fedora/source...
>
> I guess this is more of a technical question: How does the above
> link accurately represent things if we - as you described above -
> have different "more updated but still F17" images? Do we think
> people will be confused / looking for F17 -
> date/morepreciseversion/etc?

Good question. If we do that, we should probably provide a cloud sig wiki
page describing the updated image, and _that_ could link to the appropriate
source tree.
> > Fedora is available free of charge. Normal Amazon Web Services terms
> >   apply.
>
> We might include something saying "Normal Amazon Web Services terms
> and charges" or "terms, including costs for storage and
> bandwidth/uploading/downloading/whatever" apply.

Fedora is available free of charge. Normal Amazon Web Services terms and
  charges apply.
> Also: Since we have a mirror internal to amazon - is that something
> worth highlighting? Or does the AWS marketplace work differently
> from regular EC2 (I haven't looked in detail at any differences)

Works the same once it's installed, so this is a good idea. Maybe tack it on
to the end of the description above -- "...software packages can be easily
added from an Amazon-internal mirror with no extra bandwidth costs." Or
something.
> > Available in Regions....
> >   True for all.
>
> This is not really true in EC2, I don't think we're doing Fedora in
> non-us regions, are we? - does AWS marketplace provide wider
> availability?

Yes, we currently are.

In any case, this particular set of fields is instructive rather than
descriptive -- they will copy it to whichever regions we say yes to.
(This is somewhat different from the current approach, where we upload a
different AMI to each region. Another thing for me to check: do they end up
with the same AMI ID in each region if we do it this way?)
> > Recommended Instance Type:
> >   Standard Large
>
> Is this basically a bulletpoint option, or is there additional text
> that we could include as to why (ie: standard large - Recommended
> for common use cases like $unicornbuilding, $bikeshedding, etc)

One choice. And it's what you'll get with one click deployment. I pulled
*this* particular choice out of my bikeshed. Standard Medium would be my
second choice.

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:07:10AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Highlight1:
>   Free and Open Source: built by a collaborative community using entirely
>   free software.
> Highlight2:
>   Core Image Ready to Build Upon: use yum to add any of tens of thousands of
>   software packages, or drop in your own code.
> Highlight3:
>   NEED SOMETHING HERE
>   [Security? Fedora-ness? Values? Highlight some particlar awesomness?]

Ideas, anyone?

[Juan Carlos Lin]

May be something like this

Our mission is lead the community into a free and open source software
platform in a collaborative way

Juan Carlos Lin

2012/10/26 Matthew Miller
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:07:10AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Highlight1:
> >   Free and Open Source: built by a collaborative community using entirely
> >   free software.
> > Highlight2:
> >   Core Image Ready to Build Upon: use yum to add any of tens of
>
> thousands of
> > software packages, or drop in your own code.
> > Highlight3:
> >   NEED SOMETHING HERE
> >   [Security? Fedora-ness? Values? Highlight some particlar awesomness?]
>
> Ideas, anyone?
>
> --
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> [e-mail]>
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[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:20:40AM -0300, Juan Carlos Lin wrote:
> May be something like this
> Our mission is lead the community into a free and open source software
> platform in a collaborative way

These should be highlights of the F17 OS image. I feel like we can use one
of te point sfor talking about the community but not necessarily all of
them. :)

[Garrett Holmstrom]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Matthew Miller
 wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:07:10AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Highlight1:
> >   Free and Open Source: built by a collaborative community using entirely
> >   free software.
> > Highlight2:
> >   Core Image Ready to Build Upon: use yum to add any of tens of thousands of
> >   software packages, or drop in your own code.
> > Highlight3:
> >   NEED SOMETHING HERE
> >   [Security? Fedora-ness? Values? Highlight some particlar awesomness?]
>
> Ideas, anyone?

We covered "freedom" with highlight 1.  We covered "friends" with the
note about community support.  "Features" is covered by highlight 2.

Guess what's left?  ;-)

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations

--
Garrett Holmstrom

[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 04:41:47PM -0700, Garrett Holmstrom wrote:
> > > Highlight3:
> > >   NEED SOMETHING HERE
> > >   [Security? Fedora-ness? Values? Highlight some particlar awesomness?]
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
>
> We covered "freedom" with highlight 1.  We covered "friends" with the
> note about community support.  "Features" is covered by highlight 2.
> Guess what's left?  ;-)

Well, we need to start getting some firsts in place from a cloud point of
view before we can highlight them. Since F17 is ancient in internet years
already, maybe it doesn't matter so much, but what can we push as whiz-bang
for F18?