3:48 p.m.
Hi Atomic group,
The Atomic PRD (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Atomic/PRD) that was
recently drafted says that other CPU architectures can be added as new
community members join. A perfectly fair and reasonable statement!
However, it now leads me to ask a question of you. Do you have formal
ways for a new community member to join? Is there an on-boarding
document in place? I ask because we already have community members
willing to maintain other cpu architectures, particularly around ARM
for IoT and ppc64le for containers.
So aside from the work they have already done, such as request
composes for these architectures and do testing, what else would you
like to see in order for them to be official members?
josh
3:55 p.m.
On 06/05/2017 04:48 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
Hi Atomic group,
The Atomic PRD (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Atomic/PRD) that was
recently drafted says that other CPU architectures can be added as new
community members join. A perfectly fair and reasonable statement!
However, it now leads me to ask a question of you. Do you have formal
ways for a new community member to join? Is there an on-boarding
document in place? I ask because we already have community members
willing to maintain other cpu architectures, particularly around ARM
for IoT and ppc64le for containers.
So aside from the work they have already done, such as request
composes for these architectures and do testing, what else would you
like to see in order for them to be official members?
Hey Josh,
We don't have anything official that I know of. For me it's all about
the following:
1 - do people hang out in IRC/mailing list and show up for meetings
2 - do things get unbroken relatively quickly
3 - does requested work get done in a timely manner
If you want to formally be a member of the WG then doing those three
things and requesting to be a formal member will most likely get you
there. You can formally request to be a member by opening a ticket
against our pagure instance.
Note that formal WG membership doesn't really buy you much. We really
take all of our community involvement seriously and I don't think
we've ever not considered someones vote for something because they
weren't an official member. We are glad to have everyone!
I hope this helps answer your question
Dusty
4:22 p.m.
On 06/05/2017 01:55 PM, Dusty Mabe wrote:
On 06/05/2017 04:48 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> Hi Atomic group,
>
> The Atomic PRD (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Atomic/PRD) that was
> recently drafted says that other CPU architectures can be added as new
> community members join. A perfectly fair and reasonable statement!
> However, it now leads me to ask a question of you. Do you have formal
> ways for a new community member to join? Is there an on-boarding
> document in place? I ask because we already have community members
> willing to maintain other cpu architectures, particularly around ARM
> for IoT and ppc64le for containers.
>
> So aside from the work they have already done, such as request
> composes for these architectures and do testing, what else would you
> like to see in order for them to be official members?
>
Hey Josh,
We don't have anything official that I know of. For me it's all about
the following:
1 - do people hang out in IRC/mailing list and show up for meetings
2 - do things get unbroken relatively quickly
3 - does requested work get done in a timely manner
If you want to formally be a member of the WG then doing those three
things and requesting to be a formal member will most likely get you
there. You can formally request to be a member by opening a ticket
against our pagure instance.
Note that formal WG membership doesn't really buy you much. We really
take all of our community involvement seriously and I don't think
we've ever not considered someones vote for something because they
weren't an official member. We are glad to have everyone!
I hope this helps answer your question
Hey, we could put up a wiki page with all of the above, no?
--
--
Josh Berkus
Project Atomic
Red Hat OSAS
8:57 a.m.
On Mon, Jun 05, 2017 at 02:22:52PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
On 06/05/2017 01:55 PM, Dusty Mabe wrote:
>
>
> On 06/05/2017 04:48 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> Hi Atomic group,
>>
>> The Atomic PRD (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Atomic/PRD) that was
>> recently drafted says that other CPU architectures can be added as new
>> community members join. A perfectly fair and reasonable statement!
>> However, it now leads me to ask a question of you. Do you have formal
>> ways for a new community member to join? Is there an on-boarding
>> document in place? I ask because we already have community members
>> willing to maintain other cpu architectures, particularly around ARM
>> for IoT and ppc64le for containers.
>>
>> So aside from the work they have already done, such as request
>> composes for these architectures and do testing, what else would you
>> like to see in order for them to be official members?
>>
>
> Hey Josh,
>
> We don't have anything official that I know of. For me it's all about
> the following:
>
> 1 - do people hang out in IRC/mailing list and show up for meetings
> 2 - do things get unbroken relatively quickly
> 3 - does requested work get done in a timely manner
>
> If you want to formally be a member of the WG then doing those three
> things and requesting to be a formal member will most likely get you
> there. You can formally request to be a member by opening a ticket
> against our pagure instance.
>
> Note that formal WG membership doesn't really buy you much. We really
> take all of our community involvement seriously and I don't think
> we've ever not considered someones vote for something because they
> weren't an official member. We are glad to have everyone!
>
> I hope this helps answer your question
Hey, we could put up a wiki page with all of the above, no?
We could always borrow the format the QA team uses for new members:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join
Basically, we ask them to apply for FAS group membership and send an
intro email to the test@ list to get admitted into the group. Having the
CLA + 1 does get you access to some things, so it's not a waste to have
that process.
// Mike
--
Fedora QA
4:25 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Dusty Mabe <dusty(a)dustymabe.com> wrote:
On 06/05/2017 04:48 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> Hi Atomic group,
>
> The Atomic PRD (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Atomic/PRD) that was
> recently drafted says that other CPU architectures can be added as new
> community members join. A perfectly fair and reasonable statement!
> However, it now leads me to ask a question of you. Do you have formal
> ways for a new community member to join? Is there an on-boarding
> document in place? I ask because we already have community members
> willing to maintain other cpu architectures, particularly around ARM
> for IoT and ppc64le for containers.
>
> So aside from the work they have already done, such as request
> composes for these architectures and do testing, what else would you
> like to see in order for them to be official members?
>
Hey Josh,
We don't have anything official that I know of. For me it's all about
the following:
1 - do people hang out in IRC/mailing list and show up for meetings
2 - do things get unbroken relatively quickly
I assume broken things get tickets or are somehow tracked? Should
interested members assign themselves said tickets?
3 - does requested work get done in a timely manner
That one is interesting. Requested by the WG? That means the WG
would have to know of said person before being able to request that
they do something. Somewhat of a chicken-egg scenario in the context
of new contributors, yes?
Or did you mean something like you have a wishlist or outstanding
ticket queue where new members could pick up items and work on them?
That can be daunting for totally new members, but not unworkable.
If you want to formally be a member of the WG then doing those three
things and requesting to be a formal member will most likely get you
there. You can formally request to be a member by opening a ticket
against our pagure instance.
Note that formal WG membership doesn't really buy you much. We really
take all of our community involvement seriously and I don't think
we've ever not considered someones vote for something because they
weren't an official member. We are glad to have everyone!
I hope this helps answer your question
It does, mostly. That matches my experience in Fedora overall.
I have another follow-on question, but I think I'll digest this a bit
before asking it.
josh
4:36 p.m.
On 06/05/2017 05:25 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Dusty Mabe
<dusty(a)dustymabe.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 06/05/2017 04:48 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> Hi Atomic group,
>>
>> The Atomic PRD (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Atomic/PRD) that was
>> recently drafted says that other CPU architectures can be added as new
>> community members join. A perfectly fair and reasonable statement!
>> However, it now leads me to ask a question of you. Do you have formal
>> ways for a new community member to join? Is there an on-boarding
>> document in place? I ask because we already have community members
>> willing to maintain other cpu architectures, particularly around ARM
>> for IoT and ppc64le for containers.
>>
>> So aside from the work they have already done, such as request
>> composes for these architectures and do testing, what else would you
>> like to see in order for them to be official members?
>>
>
> Hey Josh,
>
> We don't have anything official that I know of. For me it's all about
> the following:
>
> 1 - do people hang out in IRC/mailing list and show up for meetings
> 2 - do things get unbroken relatively quickly
I assume broken things get tickets or are somehow tracked? Should
interested members assign themselves said tickets?
Yes. If something is broken a ticket will be opened and someone will
be assigned to it or we'll try to get someone to volunteer to work on
it.
> 3 - does requested work get done in a timely manner
That one is interesting. Requested by the WG? That means the WG
would have to know of said person before being able to request that
they do something. Somewhat of a chicken-egg scenario in the context
of new contributors, yes?
Or did you mean something like you have a wishlist or outstanding
ticket queue where new members could pick up items and work on them?
That can be daunting for totally new members, but not unworkable.
I think what I was going for is: if new community members are proposing
that we add some new thing that we haven't supported yet, then we
would need to make sure things get done in a timely manner for our
release cycles. One example would be that if we want to support
'atomic on rasberry pi', then we need to make sure we make progress on
the work and don't let it stagnate.
I guess this point is kind of ambiguous. What I was really trying to say
is that we want to see you around, making progress towards your/our
goals and *hopefully* using Atomic Host along the way.
>
>> If you want to formally be a member of the WG then doing those three
>> things and requesting to be a formal member will most likely get you
>> there. You can formally request to be a member by opening a ticket
>> against our pagure instance.
>>
>> Note that formal WG membership doesn't really buy you much. We really
>> take all of our community involvement seriously and I don't think
>> we've ever not considered someones vote for something because they
>> weren't an official member. We are glad to have everyone!
>>
>> I hope this helps answer your question
>
> It does, mostly. That matches my experience in Fedora overall.
>
> I have another follow-on question, but I think I'll digest this a bit
> before asking it.
>
> josh
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