New meeting time + call for agenda items

[Joe Brockmeier]

Hi all,

OK, the votes are in and it looks like the least-bad time for meetings 
right now are 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. I think we were missing a few 
votes, though, so I hope this time will work for the most people.

Please send me any agenda items by Monday afternoon and I will send out 
a meeting reminder then.

Thanks,

jzb
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[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 01:10:58PM -0600, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>  OK, the votes are in and it looks like the least-bad time for
>  meetings right now are 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. I think we were
>  missing a few votes, though, so I hope this time will work for the
>  most people.
>  Please send me any agenda items by Monday afternoon and I will send
>  out a meeting reminder then. 
Let's add "Replace cloud-init with min-metadata-service as the default;
provide separate cloud-init enabled image".

This would be contingent on min-metadata-service implementing a bit more
basic functionality (execute userdata scripts, option to create and use
"fedora" user, and GCE support). Additionally, it would be nice to start
building up a very simple library of #! user-data scripts that do the basic
things people want to do (e.g., install and enable some services, install
puppet and hand off, and also whatever Heat needs).



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[Joe Brockmeier]

On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 15:17 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 01:10:58PM -0600, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>  > OK, the votes are in and it looks like the least-bad time for
>  > meetings right now are 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. I think we were
>  > missing a few votes, though, so I hope this time will work for the
>  > most people.
>  > Please send me any agenda items by Monday afternoon and I will send
>  > out a meeting reminder then.
>  
>  Let's add "Replace cloud-init with min-metadata-service as the default;
>  provide separate cloud-init enabled image". 
Thanks! 

Any other agenda items? 

Best, 

jzb

[Sandro "red" Mathys]

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 5:17 AM, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 01:10:58PM -0600, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > OK, the votes are in and it looks like the least-bad time for
> > meetings right now are 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. I think we were
> > missing a few votes, though, so I hope this time will work for the
> > most people.
> > Please send me any agenda items by Monday afternoon and I will send
> > out a meeting reminder then.
>
>  Let's add "Replace cloud-init with min-metadata-service as the default;
>  provide separate cloud-init enabled image". 
Since Matt just brought that up in another thread and I think it might
be my new favorite option (only just had a very quick look at the
github page), let's add CoreOS's cloud-init [1] to this discussion.
It's written in Go and supports a subset of what cloud-init does plus
additions to control etcd [2] and fleet [3] which are tools that I
think we want to have at least on the Docker Host image, anyway.

-- Sandro

[1] https://github.com/coreos/coreos-cloudinit
[2] https://coreos.com/using-coreos/etcd/
[3] https://github.com/coreos/fleet
>  This would be contingent on min-metadata-service implementing a bit more
>  basic functionality (execute userdata scripts, option to create and use
>  "fedora" user, and GCE support). Additionally, it would be nice to start
>  building up a very simple library of #! user-data scripts that do the basic
>  things people want to do (e.g., install and enable some services, install
>  puppet and hand off, and also whatever Heat needs).
>
>
>
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[Sandro "red" Mathys]

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 4:10 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
>  OK, the votes are in and it looks like the least-bad time for meetings right
>  now are 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. I think we were missing a few votes, though,
>  so I hope this time will work for the most people.
>
>  Please send me any agenda items by Monday afternoon and I will send out a
>  meeting reminder then. 
Well, that's 11 PM for me, with school the next morning - so I will
sometimes be able to make it and sometimes not.

Things I'd like to be discussed:
- Do we want the Docker Host image to use ostree (as kinda yum/dnf replacement)?
- Do we want to (try and) kick out Python on the Docker Host image?
This would *require* both replacing cloud-init by min-metadata-service
and yum by ostree.
- How can we get the community more involved in our efforts? Changes
need owners.

-- Sandro

[Matthew Miller]

On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:43:21AM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote:
>  Well, that's 11 PM for me, with school the next morning - so I
> will
>  sometimes be able to make it and sometimes not. 
We'll try to make good minutes with liberal #infos, and also to make sure
we have list-based discussion like this too too.

>  - Do we want to (try and) kick out Python on the Docker Host image?
>  This would *require* both replacing cloud-init by min-metadata-service
>  and yum by ostree. 
I'd love to try.

>  - How can we get the community more involved in our efforts? Changes
>  need owners. 
*nod*

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[Sam Kottler]

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  To: "Fedora Cloud SIG" <cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 7:04:04 AM
>  Subject: Re: New meeting time + call for agenda items
>  
>  On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:43:21AM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote:
>  > Well, that's 11 PM for me, with school the next morning - so I will
>  > sometimes be able to make it and sometimes not.
>  
>  We'll try to make good minutes with liberal #infos, and also to make sure
>  we have list-based discussion like this too too.
>  
>  > - Do we want to (try and) kick out Python on the Docker Host image?
>  > This would *require* both replacing cloud-init by min-metadata-service
>  > and yum by ostree.
>  
>  I'd love to try. 
+1.

The one concern I have about this is that both are relatively young projects (particularly
the former) and will need lots of time + effort put into getting them into complete enough
shape for production usage. We are a pretty small group of people with lots on our agenda
for the next 6-7 months (until F21) and these are two components that *have* to work. It
might make sense to target getting rid of python for F22 and choose either ostree or
min-metadata-service to replace yum or cloud-init in the F21 cycle.

-s

>  
>  > - How can we get the community more involved in our efforts? Changes
>  > need owners.
>  
>  *nod*
>  
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[Sandro "red" Mathys]

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Sam Kottler <skottler(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > To: "Fedora Cloud SIG" <cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 7:04:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: New meeting time + call for agenda items
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:43:21AM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote:
> > > Well, that's 11 PM for me, with school the next morning - so I will
> > > sometimes be able to make it and sometimes not.
> >
> > We'll try to make good minutes with liberal #infos, and also to make sure
> > we have list-based discussion like this too too.
> >
> > > - Do we want to (try and) kick out Python on the Docker Host image?
> > > This would *require* both replacing cloud-init by min-metadata-service
> > > and yum by ostree.
> >
> > I'd love to try.
>
>  +1.
>
>  The one concern I have about this is that both are relatively young projects
> (particularly the former) and will need lots of time + effort put into getting them into
> complete enough shape for production usage. We are a pretty small group of people with
> lots on our agenda for the next 6-7 months (until F21) and these are two components that
> *have* to work. It might make sense to target getting rid of python for F22 and choose
> either ostree or min-metadata-service to replace yum or cloud-init in the F21 cycle.
Well, those concerns are valid. But I'd rather give it a try and fail
than run away and hide in fear without even looking at it first. As
soon as I have some kind of access to some kind of cloud (without
charging my credit card), I'll play around with the various bits (and
some other ideas that I want to try out) a bit. I tend to think it's
doable without a huge effort. Less effort than most changes require,
anyway. Also, I do have a couple of hours every week to work on this
and other changes so I hope to help with a couple of changes
nevertheless.

-- Sandro

>  -s
>
> >
> > > - How can we get the community more involved in our efforts? Changes
> > > need owners.
> >
> > *nod*
> >
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[Matthew Miller]

On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 08:51:51PM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote:
>  than run away and hide in fear without even looking at it first. As
>  soon as I have some kind of access to some kind of cloud (without
>  charging my credit card), I'll play around with the various bits (and 
We should be able to get you access to Fedora's own openstack instance for
working on this -- file a ticket with Fedora Infrastructure, I think.

-- 
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[Juerg Haefliger]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:
>  On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 08:51:51PM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote:
>  > than run away and hide in fear without even looking at it first. As
>  > soon as I have some kind of access to some kind of cloud (without
>  > charging my credit card), I'll play around with the various bits (and
>
>  We should be able to get you access to Fedora's own openstack instance for
>  working on this -- file a ticket with Fedora Infrastructure, I think. 
Or you can try my pet project: https://github.com/juergh/dwarf/ which adds
the OpenStack API (a subset of it, that is) ontop of your your locally
running libvirt daemon. It'll allow you to use the standard OpenStack
python clients to manage VMs and cloud images on your local machine. I use
it to test images before uploading them to the (HP) cloud, so it's slightly
biased towards our OpenStack implementation. It also provides an EC2
metadata service to the instance to please cloud-init (but no OpenStack
config drive). Feedback, bug reports and patches are more than welcome.

Sorry, no RPMs yet.

...Juerg



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[Sandro "red" Mathys]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Juerg Haefliger <juergh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 08:51:51PM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote:
> > > than run away and hide in fear without even looking at it first. As
> > > soon as I have some kind of access to some kind of cloud (without
> > > charging my credit card), I'll play around with the various bits (and
> >
> > We should be able to get you access to Fedora's own openstack instance for
> > working on this -- file a ticket with Fedora Infrastructure, I think. 
Will do, thanks.

>  Or you can try my pet project: https://github.com/juergh/dwarf/ which
> adds
>  the OpenStack API (a subset of it, that is) ontop of your your locally
>  running libvirt daemon. It'll allow you to use the standard OpenStack python
>  clients to manage VMs and cloud images on your local machine. I use it to
>  test images before uploading them to the (HP) cloud, so it's slightly biased
>  towards our OpenStack implementation. It also provides an EC2 metadata
>  service to the instance to please cloud-init (but no OpenStack config
>  drive). Feedback, bug reports and patches are more than welcome. 
I did stumble over that before already and I do want to look into it,
but I was kinda hoping...

>  Sorry, no RPMs yet. 
...that RPMs would show up before I do ;) At least on Copr? :)

>  ...Juerg
>
>
>
>
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[Juerg Haefliger]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Sandro "red" Mathys
<red(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:
>  On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Juerg Haefliger <juergh(a)gmail.com&gt; 
wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Matthew Miller <
mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  > wrote:
>  >>
>  >> On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 08:51:51PM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote:
>  >> > than run away and hide in fear without even looking at it first. As
>  >> > soon as I have some kind of access to some kind of cloud (without
>  >> > charging my credit card), I'll play around with the various bits (and
>  >>
>  >> We should be able to get you access to Fedora's own openstack instance
for
>  >> working on this -- file a ticket with Fedora Infrastructure,
> I think.
>
>  Will do, thanks.
>
>  > Or you can try my pet project: https://github.com/juergh/dwarf/ which 
adds
>  > the OpenStack API (a subset of it, that is) ontop of your your
> locally
>  > running libvirt daemon. It'll allow you to use the standard OpenStack
python
>  > clients to manage VMs and cloud images on your local machine. I
> use it 
to
>  > test images before uploading them to the (HP) cloud, so it's
> slightly 
biased
>  > towards our OpenStack implementation. It also provides an EC2
> metadata
>  > service to the instance to please cloud-init (but no OpenStack config
>  > drive). Feedback, bug reports and patches are more than welcome.
>
>  I did stumble over that before already and I do want to look into it,
>  but I was kinda hoping...
>
>  > Sorry, no RPMs yet.
>
>  ...that RPMs would show up before I do ;) 
Maeh :-)


>  At least on Copr? :) 
Hmm... Ok. Just google'd copr. I'll see what I can do...

...Juerg

[Haïkel]

Hi,

As for the new meeting time, I'll do my best.
I won't be able to commit myself to work on new features for a while,
as I'm looking actively for a new position that doesn't require me to
relocate and without ethical issues.

regards,
H.

[Matthias Runge]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 02:59:24PM +0100, Juerg Haefliger wrote:
>  Or you can try my pet project: https://github.com/juergh/dwarf/ which
> adds
>  the OpenStack API (a subset of it, that is) ontop of your your locally
>  running libvirt daemon. It'll allow you to use the standard OpenStack
>  python clients to manage VMs and cloud images on your local machine. I use
>  it to test images before uploading them to the (HP) cloud, so it's slightly
>  biased towards our OpenStack implementation. It also provides an EC2
>  metadata service to the instance to please cloud-init (but no OpenStack
>  config drive). Feedback, bug reports and patches are more than welcome. 
Juerg, this is neat! Thanks for sharing!
-- 
Matthias Runge <mrunge(a)matthias-runge.de&gt;

[Sandro "red" Mathys]

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 4:10 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
>  OK, the votes are in and it looks like the least-bad time for meetings right
>  now are 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. I think we were missing a few votes, though,
>  so I hope this time will work for the most people. 
FYI, I changed the Cloud SIG, Cloud WG and Meeting channel wiki pages
to reflect our new time.Note that we also change from
#fedora-meeting-1 to #fedora-meeting at the same time.

-- Sandro

>  Please send me any agenda items by Monday afternoon and I will send
> out a
>  meeting reminder then.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  jzb
>  --
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[James Antill]

On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 13:10 -0600, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>  Hi all,
>  
>  OK, the votes are in and it looks like the least-bad time for meetings 
>  right now are 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. I think we were missing a few 
>  votes, though, so I hope this time will work for the most people. 
 Given no objections to this time, I figured I would send this out to
avoid confusion:

2014-03-13 07:00 Thu US/Pacific             PDT
2014-03-13 10:00 Thu US/Eastern             EDT
2014-03-13 14:00 Thu UTC <-
2014-03-13 14:00 Thu Europe/London <-
2014-03-13 15:00 Thu Europe/Paris           CET
2014-03-13 15:00 Thu Europe/Berlin          CET
2014-03-13 19:30 Thu Asia/Calcutta          IST
2014-03-13 22:00 Thu Asia/Singapore         SGT
2014-03-13 22:00 Thu Asia/Hong_Kong         HKT
2014-03-13 23:00 Thu Asia/Tokyo             JST
------------------new day----------------------
2014-03-14 00:00 Fri Australia/Brisbane     EST