So, we've got the traditional Cloud Base image, and the focused Fedora Atomic image. (Plus of course the Big Data one, which will build on top of Cloud Base.)
What if we also have a Fedora Cloud Experimental image? This would be only rawhide nightlies, with no other releases. And it'd be a place where we could try out not-ready-for-prime-time ideas like the alternate metadata services and networkd.
I thought that the Fedora Atomic image would serve this role, but as I'm thinking about it, and especially as we get closer to actually having "production" releases of that, I think that while it'll probably _get_ those experimental things sooner, there's enough going on with Atomic itself that it'd be better to have a separate place to do the actual experimenting.
What do you think?
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
So, we've got the traditional Cloud Base image, and the focused Fedora Atomic image. (Plus of course the Big Data one, which will build on top of Cloud Base.)
What if we also have a Fedora Cloud Experimental image? This would be only rawhide nightlies, with no other releases. And it'd be a place where we could try out not-ready-for-prime-time ideas like the alternate metadata services and networkd.
I thought that the Fedora Atomic image would serve this role, but as I'm thinking about it, and especially as we get closer to actually having "production" releases of that, I think that while it'll probably _get_ those experimental things sooner, there's enough going on with Atomic itself that it'd be better to have a separate place to do the actual experimenting.
What do you think?
-- Matthew Miller -- Fedora Project -- mattdm@fedoraproject.org "Tepid change for the somewhat better!"
+1
also I think we should publish new isos every month for desktop
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Itamar Reis Peixoto
On 06/02/2014 08:48 AM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote:
also I think we should publish new isos every month for desktop
That's probably a discussion for the Workstation WG / another list that isn't cloud@. We won't be deciding that here.
Best,
jzb
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Itamar Reis Peixoto itamar@ispbrasil.com.br wrote:
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
So, we've got the traditional Cloud Base image, and the focused Fedora Atomic image. (Plus of course the Big Data one, which will build on top of Cloud Base.)
What if we also have a Fedora Cloud Experimental image? This would be only rawhide nightlies, with no other releases. And it'd be a place where we could try out not-ready-for-prime-time ideas like the alternate metadata services and networkd.
I thought that the Fedora Atomic image would serve this role, but as I'm thinking about it, and especially as we get closer to actually having "production" releases of that, I think that while it'll probably _get_ those experimental things sooner, there's enough going on with Atomic itself that it'd be better to have a separate place to do the actual experimenting.
What do you think?
-- Matthew Miller -- Fedora Project -- mattdm@fedoraproject.org "Tepid change for the somewhat better!"
+1
also I think we should publish new isos every month for desktop
New workstation live isos based on rawhide are published daily (along with all the rest of the spins). So we're already above and beyond what you're suggesting I think, unless I misunderstood.
josh
On 06/02/2014 08:43 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
What do you think?
+1
Does this need to be a "spin" or just "here's where we put the nightlies" and some associated information about them?
Best,
jzb
On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:47:44AM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
What do you think?
Does this need to be a "spin" or just "here's where we put the nightlies" and some associated information about them?
Talked to Dennis, and it's easist to put it in the spin-kickstart repo, whatever we call it. I agree that it's not really a "spin".
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
So, we've got the traditional Cloud Base image, and the focused Fedora Atomic image. (Plus of course the Big Data one, which will build on top of Cloud Base.)
What if we also have a Fedora Cloud Experimental image? This would be only rawhide nightlies, with no other releases. And it'd be a place where we could try out not-ready-for-prime-time ideas like the alternate metadata services and networkd.
I thought that the Fedora Atomic image would serve this role, but as I'm thinking about it, and especially as we get closer to actually having "production" releases of that, I think that while it'll probably _get_ those experimental things sooner, there's enough going on with Atomic itself that it'd be better to have a separate place to do the actual experimenting.
What do you think?
A strong +0 from me. I see what you want to do and don't think it's a bad idea. But there's often competing ideas of which only one could make it into such an image. So either it should be easily possible to create additional ones (let's say we want to keep the 3-4 cloud-init alternatives available for a while) or ... well, whatever.
If people think, it's a good idea, sure, do it. But currently I'd think it's rather a waste of resources as I still have to build images of my own to look at technologies that compete what's in the current experimental image.
-- Sandro
On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 08:26:35AM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote:
A strong +0 from me. I see what you want to do and don't think it's a bad idea. But there's often competing ideas of which only one could make it into such an image. So either it should be easily possible to create additional ones (let's say we want to keep the 3-4 cloud-init alternatives available for a while) or ... well, whatever.
Hmmm, yes, good point. I think this will be more useful when the auto-image-uploader service is hooked up. I guess I kind of envision us switching some things out for testing periods -- "let's try neo-cloud-init-6 this week!"
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