Fedora 24 and Atomic

[Matthew Miller]

Hey, so, Dennis tells me we don't currently have an F24 two-week
Atomic. I don't think we need Atomic as part of the actual Alpha
compose/release, but as I understand it, the plan is to cut the
two-week Atomic over to F24 base at the F24 release. In order to do
that, it seems like having prerelease images built and passing tests is
important.... or am I missing something?




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[Daniel J Walsh]

On 03/17/2016 10:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  Hey, so, Dennis tells me we don't currently have an F24 two-week
>  Atomic. I don't think we need Atomic as part of the actual Alpha
>  compose/release, but as I understand it, the plan is to cut the
>  two-week Atomic over to F24 base at the F24 release. In order to do
>  that, it seems like having prerelease images built and passing tests is
>  important.... or am I missing something?
>
>
>
>  
Makes sense to me.

[Jan Kurik]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 03/17/2016 10:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >
> > Hey, so, Dennis tells me we don't currently have an F24 two-week
> > Atomic. I don't think we need Atomic as part of the actual Alpha
> > compose/release, but as I understand it, the plan is to cut the
> > two-week Atomic over to F24 base at the F24 release. In order to do
> > that, it seems like having prerelease images built and passing tests is
> > important.... or am I missing something?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>  Makes sense to me. 
Yesterday I had a talk with Amanda Carter, who is coordinating the
two-week-Atomic project. I was told that the Atomic content will be
shipped together with F24 Alpha, even it is non-blocking deliverable.
So, as I understand, we do not block F24 on Atomic, however we would
like to have everything ready and sync F24 and Atomic releases.

(adding Amanda on CC as I am not sure she is a subscriber of this mailing list).

Regards,
Jan

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[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 03:48:56PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
>  Yesterday I had a talk with Amanda Carter, who is coordinating the
>  two-week-Atomic project. I was told that the Atomic content will be
>  shipped together with F24 Alpha, even it is non-blocking deliverable.
>  So, as I understand, we do not block F24 on Atomic, however we would
>  like to have everything ready and sync F24 and Atomic releases. 
I guess I don't see the point of actually literally including the
images in the Alpha compose -- it seems like getting the two-week
prerelease-F24 working is the important part.

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[Jan Kurik]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 03:48:56PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
> > Yesterday I had a talk with Amanda Carter, who is coordinating the
> > two-week-Atomic project. I was told that the Atomic content will be
> > shipped together with F24 Alpha, even it is non-blocking deliverable.
> > So, as I understand, we do not block F24 on Atomic, however we would
> > like to have everything ready and sync F24 and Atomic releases.
>
>  I guess I don't see the point of actually literally including the
>  images in the Alpha compose -- it seems like getting the two-week
>  prerelease-F24 working is the important part. 
Yes, you have described it in a better way. That is exactly what my
understanding is.

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[Amanda Carter]

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Jan Kurik" <jkurik(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  To: "Fedora Cloud SIG" <cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Cc: "Amanda Carter" <acarter(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 11:17:28 AM
>  Subject: Re: Fedora 24 and Atomic
>  
>  On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Matthew Miller
>  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 03:48:56PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
>  >> Yesterday I had a talk with Amanda Carter, who is coordinating the
>  >> two-week-Atomic project. I was told that the Atomic content will be
>  >> shipped together with F24 Alpha, even it is non-blocking deliverable.
>  >> So, as I understand, we do not block F24 on Atomic, however we would
>  >> like to have everything ready and sync F24 and Atomic releases.
>  >
>  > I guess I don't see the point of actually literally including the
>  > images in the Alpha compose -- it seems like getting the two-week
>  > prerelease-F24 working is the important part.
>  
>  Yes, you have described it in a better way. That is exactly what my
>  understanding is. 
I'm pretty sure Matt and Dennis already decided to pull Atomic out of the F24 compose
and into a separate 2 week release stream last night. Do you guys need anything from my
side or need me to track anything down?

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[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2016-03-17 at 18:54 -0400, Amanda Carter wrote:
>  
>  > > I guess I don't see the point of actually literally including the
>  > > images in the Alpha compose -- it seems like getting the two-week
>  > > prerelease-F24 working is the important part.
>  > Yes, you have described it in a better way. That is exactly what my
>  > understanding is. 
>  I'm pretty sure Matt and Dennis already decided to pull Atomic
> out of
>  the F24 compose and into a separate 2 week release stream last night.
>  Do you guys need anything from my side or need me to track anything
>  down? 
For the record, I'm pretty sure Atomic compose has never actually
worked as part of the Pungi 4 compose process or the previous automated
nightly compose process. Composing Atomic images has always been
something of a separate hack that was done manually for pre-F24 TC/RC
composes, and is scripted as a separate thing for the two-week Atomic
composes.

AFAIK there have been no Fedora 24 Atomic images produced at all, ever.

I believe Dennis was planning as a short-term thing to graft the Atomic
compose process onto the Pungi 4 compose process by running the Atomic
compose bits and then somehow jamming the outputs into the Pungi 4
compose tree and patching the metadata or something along those lines,
but if I'm understanding this thread correctly it sounds like he's
decided instead to port the entirely standalone 'two week Atomic'
compose process to F24.

(FWIW, my opinion is that this is a mess and priority should be given
to *properly* integrating creation of the Atomic deliverables into
Pungi 4).
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