RFC - Project FAO (Fedora + Atomic + OpenShift)

[Adam Miller]

Hello all,
    Hot off the heels of Fedora Cloud WG (well kind of ... little lag
time in there) I took an action item during the Cloud WG Weekly
Meeting to write up a proposal for the Fedora Council on what was
being called "Project Foosion" during the Cloud FAD. In an attempt to
both not get into legal trouble with Foosion Software[0] (yes, I know
the website isn't working yet but it does appear to be a software
company) and in hopes the name would not actually stick because it's
silly, I've simply renamed it "Project FAO" where the FAO stands for
Fedora + Atomic + OpenShift. We can properly paint the bike shed when
there is actually one standing and in need of a coat of paint (i.e. -
we at least have a working PoC).

In the mean time, please everyone go to the current Draft Objective
page and offer comments, feedback, and snide remarks.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/ProjectFAO

Thank you,
-AdamM

[0] - http://foosion.net/

[Adam Miller]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Adam Miller
<maxamillion(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Hello all,
>      Hot off the heels of Fedora Cloud WG (well kind of ... little lag
>  time in there) I took an action item during the Cloud WG Weekly
>  Meeting to write up a proposal for the Fedora Council on what was
>  being called "Project Foosion" during the Cloud FAD. In an attempt to
>  both not get into legal trouble with Foosion Software[0] (yes, I know
>  the website isn't working yet but it does appear to be a software
>  company) and in hopes the name would not actually stick because it's
>  silly, I've simply renamed it "Project FAO" where the FAO stands for
>  Fedora + Atomic + OpenShift. We can properly paint the bike shed when
>  there is actually one standing and in need of a coat of paint (i.e. -
>  we at least have a working PoC).
>
>  In the mean time, please everyone go to the current Draft Objective
>  page and offer comments, feedback, and snide remarks.
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/ProjectFAO
>
>  Thank you,
>  -AdamM
>
>  [0] - http://foosion.net/ 
Bumping thread in hopes of starting a discussion.

-AdamM

[Devan Goodwin]

A few comments regarding openshift-ansible. I think the master branch in the repo can
probably cover Fedora quite easily at least at this point in time, I don't think
there's a whole lot in there that would be an issue.

We're also quite well set up to deploy, manage, and upgrade containerized OpenShift
deployments. (however this all uses docker today) This is only tested on RHEL and RHEL
Atomic today (AFAIK) but the mechanism for doing it should already cover CentOS and Fedora
Atomic variants and I suspect this would be extremely easy to get working, if it
didn't just work out of the box today.

We have not started down the system containers path in openshift-ansible but we very much
are looking forward to that, so the work would be relevant and if the Fedora community
began some of that work, I think I can safely say we'd jump at the chance to work and
get it merged ASAP.

Please feel free to loop me in if there are questions, I genuinely think you could be
doing a lot of this very quickly with current master of openshift-ansible.

[Josh Berkus]

On 07/20/2016 11:02 AM, Devan Goodwin wrote:
>  A few comments regarding openshift-ansible. I think the master branch
> in the repo can probably cover Fedora quite easily at least at this point in time, I
> don't think there's a whole lot in there that would be an issue.
>  
>  We're also quite well set up to deploy, manage, and upgrade containerized OpenShift
> deployments. (however this all uses docker today) This is only tested on RHEL and RHEL
> Atomic today (AFAIK) but the mechanism for doing it should already cover CentOS and Fedora
> Atomic variants and I suspect this would be extremely easy to get working, if it
> didn't just work out of the box today.
>  
>  We have not started down the system containers path in openshift-ansible but we very much
> are looking forward to that, so the work would be relevant and if the Fedora community
> began some of that work, I think I can safely say we'd jump at the chance to work and
> get it merged ASAP.
>  
>  Please feel free to loop me in if there are questions, I genuinely think you could be
> doing a lot of this very quickly with current master of openshift-ansible. 
Thanks!

Is there a way I can reach you on IRC or Slack for detailed questions?

-- 
--
Josh Berkus
Project Atomic
Red Hat OSAS

[Adam Miller]

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Devan Goodwin <dgoodwin(a)rm-rf.ca&gt; wrote:
>  A few comments regarding openshift-ansible. I think the master branch
> in the repo can probably cover Fedora quite easily at least at this point in time, I
> don't think there's a whole lot in there that would be an issue.
>
>  We're also quite well set up to deploy, manage, and upgrade containerized OpenShift
> deployments. (however this all uses docker today) This is only tested on RHEL and RHEL
> Atomic today (AFAIK) but the mechanism for doing it should already cover CentOS and Fedora
> Atomic variants and I suspect this would be extremely easy to get working, if it
> didn't just work out of the box today.
>
>  We have not started down the system containers path in openshift-ansible but we very much
> are looking forward to that, so the work would be relevant and if the Fedora community
> began some of that work, I think I can safely say we'd jump at the chance to work and
> get it merged ASAP.
>
>  Please feel free to loop me in if there are questions, I genuinely think you could be
> doing a lot of this very quickly with current master of openshift-ansible. 
+1 - Thanks

This is something we're hoping to have at least a proof of concept in
working order by Flock, so the time tables are definitely near-term.

-AdamM

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[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:55:52AM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
>  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/ProjectFAO
>  Bumping thread in hopes of starting a discussion. 
Thanks for the thread bump. The previous came right before Summit and
so there's my excuse. I'm definitely in support of this and I think the
notes on that wiki page capture the cloud FAD accurately.

I'm working on the "incubator" aspect mentioned there, and hope to make
progress on that — realistically after Flock.

Would it help if I draw up a logic model diagram as seen in
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/Fedora_Modularization,_Prototyp... 
?

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader