Cockpit in Cloud images?

[Colin Walters]

Hi,

I was originally including Cockpit in

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Atomic_Cloud_Image

but rel-eng raised the concern that

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CockpitManagementConsole

is only listed for Server.  Should we include it in Cloud too?  Right
now it's promoted as part of the Project Atomic, so I think it'd make
sense to include there.

Perhaps a relevant difference here is that Cloud is more often treated
as cattle instead of pets - disposable stateless systems managed as a
group, and thus there's less need to configure things node by node. 
Even then though, Cockpit offers visualization on a per-node level.

Thoughts?

[Haïkel]

2014-07-22 13:46 GMT+02:00 Colin Walters :
> Hi,
>
> I was originally including Cockpit in
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Atomic_Cloud_Image
>
> but rel-eng raised the concern that
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CockpitManagementConsole
>
> is only listed for Server.  Should we include it in Cloud too?  Right
> now it's promoted as part of the Project Atomic, so I think it'd make
> sense to include there.

Makes sense for the Atomic host.
> Perhaps a relevant difference here is that Cloud is more often treated
> as cattle instead of pets - disposable stateless systems managed as a
> group, and thus there's less need to configure things node by node.
> Even then though, Cockpit offers visualization on a per-node level.
>
> Thoughts?

For the other cloud images, I'm not sure that cockpit bring enough
value to our targeted users.
They prefer using other (and more field-proven) tools.

Regards,
H.

[Colin Walters]

Hi,

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014, at 08:05 AM, Haïkel wrote:
> Makes sense for the Atomic host.

Can you elaborate?  Why do you believe it makes sense for Atomic but not
mainline?
> For the other cloud images, I'm not sure that cockpit bring enough
> value to our targeted users.
> They prefer using other (and more field-proven) tools.

Note that Cockpit is intended to be used in *concert* with other tools. 
It's absolutely valid to use Puppet, and say turn to Cockpit to do say
storage administration.

I'm just trying to understand better the rationale behind your
statements.