commops August 2016

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37 participants
61 discussions

Introduction
by Brian Exelbierd 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

Hi, I am Brian "bex" Exelbierd and I've been working in various areas of the project with an emphasis in Atomic tech and docs. I'd like to put a blog post on the comm blog about the Docs session from Flock 2016. Let me know if this is a good topic for this blog. Thank you. regards, bex

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Flock bid process: Wiki gardening
by Justin W. Flory 08 Aug '16

08 Aug '16

Hello all, I just wanted to share that I went through the "Flock bid process" page and attempted to bring it up to date for Flock 2017 and anyone interested in putting together proposals for next year. I tried making the page a little more date-agnostic, but would appreciate if someone with more information would also take a look. Thanks! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_bid_process -- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7(a)gmail.com

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Alberto's self-introduction
by Alberto Rodriguez S 08 Aug '16

08 Aug '16

Hi everybody, My name is Alberto Rodríguez Sánchez from México I have a bachelor degree in Computer engineer, 15 years of experience using Unix/Linux systems and 10 years administering it (mostly Solaris, Debian, CentOS, Arch Linux and RHEL 5.5,6 and 7),i'm a relatively new on Fedora (One year), I worked for three years in Support/HelpDesk area of a large Telephony/Void enterpise, so I am familiar with ticketing systems like Trac, OTRS and Oracle Siebe.Actually I'm a Master degree student in optimization (Mathematics oriented) in one of three major public universities in Mexico. In my university, i founded a LUG many years ago and i want retake this project again, Certainly a LUG is not a distro centered organization but i found in fedora a good balance with the (cutting edge) technologies present in the industry and the tools needed in many research fields. I want join in commops team because i can help in Metrics, Storytelling, wiki and misc areas and the same time learn about the whole fedora ecosystem. I have this deadlock with the CLA+1 for the wiki edit: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedorapr… so until i will acceped on this group or fedora-mx i can't update wiki pages. I leave here the rest of my data: Home: Mexico city FAS-name: bt0dotninja Homepage: http://bt0.ninja Best Regards, Alberto Rodríguez Sánchez -- "No estoy de acuerdo con lo que dices, pero daría mi vida por defender tu derecho a decirlo" ^^Voltaire^^

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : CommOps IRC Meeting
by Justin W. Flory 08 Aug '16

08 Aug '16

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: CommOps IRC Meeting on 2016-08-09 from 12:00:00 to 13:30:00 US/Eastern At fedora-meeting(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: This meeting is for team members of the Community Operations (CommOps) team. The weekly agenda is mostly comprised of the different tasks detailed on the CommOps wiki page, although it is subject to change depending on time and context of what is going around the Fedora Project. More information can be found on the [wiki page](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps). Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/4409/

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Fedora Hubs Weekly Check-in
by Remy DeCausemaker 08 Aug '16

08 Aug '16

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Fedora Hubs Weekly Check-in on 2016-08-09 from 10:00:00 to 11:00:00 US/Eastern At fedora-hubs(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: The Fedora Hubs team meets up once a week to check in on development status of Fedora Hubs, work through issues, and make progress on development. Current developers and anyone interested in developing for Hubs are encouraged to attend. You can find the source code on http://pagure.io/fedora-hubs More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Hubs](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/3863/

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[Flock16] [Transcription] Fedora Hubs Meetup/Hackfest
by Justin W. Flory 05 Aug '16

05 Aug '16

These are the minutes from the Hubs workshop at Flock today. I'm sending this out to a couple of lists because I think it's something super interesting to multiple teams, and the summary (I feel) does a good job of explaining a complicated thing into common English. Enjoy! = = = = = Meeting ended Fri Aug 5 13:40:50 2016 UTC. Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-05/flock2016.… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-05/flock2016.… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-05/flock2016.… * * * * * ========================================================================================== #fedora-flock-openqa: Fedora Hubs Meetup / Hackfest - Speaker: Pierre-Yves Chibon (pingou) ========================================================================================== Meeting started by jflory7 at 11:33:02 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-05/flock2016.… . Meeting summary --------------- * Getting ready / Introduction (jflory7, 11:33:16) * What is Hubs? (jflory7, 11:48:42) * Using fedmsg to capture all sorts of activities and information in Fedora (jflory7, 11:48:53) * Messages that cross over the bus all involve contributor activity - 1 thing with a problem (like other projects) is no easy way to connect people with teams that are of interest to them and resources they need to interact with these teams (jflory7, 11:50:19) * Systems we use to talk to contributors has their challenges: IRC is challenging but it's not something most people in the world are familiar with, have to get client, join channel, register with NickServ, etc. (same thing can go for mailing lists) (jflory7, 11:51:15) * Fedora Hubs brings together many systems that we use for communication and coordination and into a web-based view that quickly connects people to teams with people in there and what's happening in there (lowers the learning barrier) (jflory7, 11:51:52) * Use a widget to follow a discussion and writing a reply, monitor discussion, etc. (jflory7, 11:52:12) * Because we have fedmsg, we don't need to vent new channels and new activities that creates Balkanization problem of new vs. old contributors (jflory7, 11:52:50) * IDEA: Opening new views into existing systems (jflory7, 11:53:12) * Hubs is designed to not just be one arrangement, each team can have its own hub (jflory7, 11:53:24) * What do we want to do? (jflory7, 11:54:30) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-hubs/issue/243 (mizmo, 11:55:35) * LINK: https://hubs-dev.fedorainfracloud.org (jflory7, 12:03:03) * LINK: https://hubs-dev.fedorainfracloud.org/skrzepto/ (skrzepto, 12:06:38) * === Widgets === (jflory7, 12:10:54) * Adding widget to hub: View your Hub in edit mode, choose your widget, add it, and configure it on the prompt right after (jflory7, 12:12:44) * Requesting a new meeting in Hubs creates a new meeting in Fedocal (jflory7, 12:16:04) * pkgdb: Seeing packages ready to be pushed to stable and other similar details in widgets (jflory7, 12:17:37) * Badges: View all of your badges (jflory7, 12:17:44) * Pagure: Newest open pull requests on Pagure tagged with fedora-infra tag (jflory7, 12:17:57) * Can also interact with GitHub and Bugzilla (other widgets coming from outside sources) (jflory7, 12:18:29) * IDEA: Avoiding silo of communications: Sticky note is maybe not a good idea because then it isolates those *not* using Hubs, so there could be separation of information that someone may miss if they are not on Hubs (jflory7, 12:19:39) * IDEA: WhenIsGood widget, but need to take caution on communication silos where it could separate the contributors who are and are not using Hubs (jflory7, 12:20:13) * === Hubs groups === (jflory7, 12:20:26) * LINK: https://hubs-dev.fedorainfracloud.org/designteam/ (mizmo, 12:21:45) * LINK: https://hubs-dev.fedorainfracloud.org/groups (jflory7, 12:22:54) * Able to have community rules and guidelines in a group hub, as well as meetings for schedule and past meeting minutes all from the main team widget (jflory7, 12:23:54) * HELP: Need more help on widgets, designing the hubs themselves for groups - design team has good representation with ryanlerch and mizmo, but we need more input and involvement with other groups and teams (jflory7, 12:25:29) * HELP: Packager needs help and input since it's a large group (jflory7, 12:25:49) * LINK: https://github.com/fedora-infra/zanata2fedmsg (jflory7, 12:26:16) * IRC widget in progress which allows you to view design team channel (a la Facebook Messenger style) on IRC, you can live chat with the folks you can see on the hub (jflory7, 12:27:21) * Q: "My personal hub... will people be able to see that?" (jflory7, 12:30:48) * A: Yes, but plan to get private and public side, e.g. your live feed, library widget, things from FAS (jflory7, 12:31:28) * Personal stream in development for saving things from your incoming stream for later reference (jflory7, 12:32:28) * === History of project === (jflory7, 12:32:48) * New Hubs superhero will be sayan for leading the project forward (jflory7, 12:33:54) * HELP: We need some assistance with the IRC widget with user use case, we're working with developers to developers - mockups would be helpful (jflory7, 12:35:47) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-hubs/issues?tags=needsmockup (jflory7, 12:35:48) * === So what do we want to do moving forward? === (jflory7, 12:42:18) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-hubs/issue/243 <= scavenger hunt, if anyone is up for a challenge (mizmo, 12:43:15) * Q: "Do you have a Vagrant set up for this?" (jflory7, 12:45:10) * A: No-yes? ryanlerch has something he has been working on as a work in progress, but needs some more visiting (jflory7, 12:45:47) * HELP: fedora-hubs#243 could use another pair of eyes (jflory7, 12:46:59) * Open hacking (jflory7, 12:50:10) * LINK: http://localhost:5000/designteam/ <= no problem (mizmo, 12:52:42) * LINK: http://localhost:5000/duffy/ <= oopsie (mizmo, 12:52:50) Meeting ended at 13:40:50 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jflory7 (156) * mizmo (47) * skrzepto (22) * stickster (19) * zodbot (7) * ryanlerch (0) * lmacken (0) * sayan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7(a)gmail.com

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[Flock16] [Transcription] I contributed! But, what now?
by Justin W. Flory 02 Aug '16

02 Aug '16

https://flock2016.sched.org/event/76oD/i-contributed-but-what-now Meeting ended Tue Aug 2 09:52:01 2016 UTC. Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-02/flock2016.… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-02/flock2016.… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-02/flock2016.… * * * * * ================================================================================================== #fedora-flock-openqa: I contributed! But what now? - Speaker: Bhagyashree (Bee) Padalkar (bee2502) ================================================================================================== Meeting started by jflory7 at 09:02:51 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-02/flock2016.… . Meeting summary --------------- * Introduction (jflory7, 09:02:59) * Talking about improving contributor retention rates in Fedora contributor community (jflory7, 09:03:16) * Who am I? A data freak! Spends most time in Fedora CommOps working on community-oriented metrics (jflory7, 09:03:52) * Analyzing fedmsg data and how contributors interact, and what we do in the field impacts our project (jflory7, 09:04:27) * What are we talking about? (jflory7, 09:04:34) * Newcomer on-boarding is important, but retainment is critical (jflory7, 09:04:48) * Using data analytics for improving contributor retention (jflory7, 09:05:02) * === Contributor Onboarding and Retention (graph) === (jflory7, 09:05:53) * fedmsg started in 2013, so no data available past that (jflory7, 09:06:08) * Short-term contributor: Did a little bit, were active for around for three months, then left (jflory7, 09:07:45) * Long-term contributors: Stayed active after initial period (jflory7, 09:07:52) * Note about 2016: Inactive members were huge number because of spam attacks in recent months, which affects skew (jflory7, 09:08:15) * Inactive contributors: Have not done anything in Fedora beyond registration (jflory7, 09:08:26) * (Actually, there is a lot more specific criteria about how activity, short-term / long-term is measured, but these are detailed in the slides) (jflory7, 09:08:54) * Contributor On-boarding and Retention (jflory7, 09:09:56) * Around 50% of contributors are classified as "short-term", who contribute for three months and depart (jflory7, 09:11:16) * More than 5,000 new FAS accounts created annually (excluding spam accounts) (jflory7, 09:12:47) * Contributor Survey (jflory7, 09:12:58) * 16 participants, looking at what made them stay as contributors (jflory7, 09:13:34) * None started as Red Hat employees, some are now (jflory7, 09:13:40) * Diverse areas of contributions to range of areas in Fedora (jflory7, 09:13:55) * All intended to remain as long-term contributors to the project when they became active (jflory7, 09:14:26) * === Community matters === (jflory7, 09:14:42) * Not just about loving your work, but a strong FOSS community makes people stay (jflory7, 09:14:58) * Some cited four foundations, a sense of giving back to the community, and constant learning also made them stay (jflory7, 09:15:12) * === Community Ratings === (jflory7, 09:16:24) * === Inspire. Interact. Feedback. === (jflory7, 09:18:56) * Encourage newcomers to speak up in IRC, meetings, and mailing lists (involve newcomers and give them a voice) (jflory7, 09:19:26) * Assign action items (creates sense of responsibility early on) (jflory7, 09:19:36) * Feedback process (IRC karma and Fedora Badges put to good use!) (jflory7, 09:19:48) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/409 (jflory7, 09:21:27) * Interns matter! Whether Outreachy, GSoC, Red Hat, focus on ways on making them stay past their internship (jflory7, 09:22:24) * Onboarding is Important (jflory7, 09:23:44) * Need for mentors, much debated issue, not as feasible (jflory7, 09:23:54) * CommOps has been helping create a defined on-boarding process for different Fedora teams (jflory7, 09:24:15) * === On-boarding Master Ticket === (jflory7, 09:25:16) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-commops/ticket/34 (jflory7, 09:26:34) * General on-boarding badges for all sub-projects: (jflory7, 09:26:54) * Licensed to Push (Pagure), hot topic (mailing lists), etc. (jflory7, 09:27:07) * Studying other long-term Fedora contributors (jflory7, 09:27:23) * Patterns in activity of long-time contributors: consistency > activity (jflory7, 09:27:49) * Consistency should be measured / valued perhaps more than short, intense bursts of activity early on in a contributor's "lifecycle" (jflory7, 09:29:22) * Impact of attending Fedora events (jflory7, 09:29:30) * Meeting community in person at events (jflory7, 09:29:37) * Performed some data analytics understanding impact of attending events like FOSDEM and contributionactivity (jflory7, 09:29:57) * Not only great for newcmers but also lead to increase in activity in attendees (jflory7, 09:30:09) * LINK: https://networksfordata.wordpress.com/2016/03/08/fedora-at-fosdem/ (jflory7, 09:30:32) * Long-term activity from FOSDEM 2014 badge scanners: noticeable trend from pre- and post-FOSDEM contributions (jflory7, 09:31:52) * Q: "What did you use to measure activity specific from FOSDEM 2014?" (jflory7, 09:32:36) * A: Using the Fedora badge for FOSDEM 2014 enabled us to look at these contributors (jflory7, 09:33:02) * Trend also continued at FOSDEM 2015 (jflory7, 09:34:07) * Conclusion / Open Discussion (jflory7, 09:34:18) * What to take away: community matters for retaining contributors, defining and refining on-boarding series, encourage interactions and create a feedback mechanism (jflory7, 09:35:33) * Individually: attending Fedora events, engaging in mailing lists, IRC, meetings, etc., and look for consistency over just activity (jflory7, 09:36:08) * Shout-out to skamath for helping generate these statistics! (jflory7, 09:36:29) * LINK: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ANub0RZtqnLaBDzpiQRUkZdnf7n75Pn9H16… (jflory7, 09:40:25) Meeting ended at 09:52:01 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jflory7 (84) * zodbot (6) * skamath (4) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7(a)gmail.com

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Re: [fedora-badges] #464: CommOps Onboarding Series Badge
by fedora-badges 02 Aug '16

02 Aug '16

#464: CommOps Onboarding Series Badge -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: skamath | Owner: Type: New badge | skamath idea | Status: Priority: minor | new Keywords: commops | Resolution: Has a description: 1 | Has a name: Artwork status: Concept | 1 External requirements: | Concept approved (reviewers only): Triaged (triagers only): 1 | 1 | Badge definition status: | Full, needs review | Manually awarded: | 0 -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Changes (by riecatnor): * concept_review_passed: 0 => 1 -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/464#comment:4> fedora-badges <https://badges.fedoraproject.org> A place to collect and debate badge ideas for the Fedora Badges app

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[Flock16] [Transcription] Localization (G11n)
by Justin W. Flory 02 Aug '16

02 Aug '16

https://flock2016.sched.org/event/76nc/localization-g11n Meeting ended Tue Aug 2 08:50:57 2016 UTC. Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-chelmonski/2016-08-02/flock2… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-chelmonski/2016-08-02/flock2… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-chelmonski/2016-08-02/flock2… * * * * * ================================================================================= #fedora-flock-chelmonski: Localization (G11n) - Speaker: Noriko Mizumoto (noriko) ================================================================================= Meeting started by jflory7 at 08:02:44 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-chelmonski/2016-08-02/flock2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Introduction (jflory7, 08:02:55) * Getting Fedora (jflory7, 08:05:54) * getfedora.org is translated in countless languages, such as Czech, French, Albanian, Polish, and many more (jflory7, 08:06:16) * Explains the technology Fedora is providing to the users - every application needs internationalization (jflory7, 08:06:43) * noriko is from the I18n team and hopes to introduce the process (jflory7, 08:07:08) * Thinking about Internationalization (jflory7, 08:07:21) * Make I18n toolkit compatible (gettext, logging tools, etc.) (jflory7, 08:07:35) * Write in English (jflory7, 08:08:01) * Add plural form (nplurals=2, plural=(n != 1); etc.) (jflory7, 08:08:48) * Use numbering substitutions for multiple use (jflory7, 08:09:18) * Design grammar-conscious output (jflory7, 08:10:34) * Tips for I18n (jflory7, 08:11:42) * === Globalization audit of Fedora Atomic === (jflory7, 08:11:57) * Tuesday, August 2, 16:30 - 17:20 by Pravin Satpute (pravins) (jflory7, 08:12:13) * What are we localizing? (jflory7, 08:12:29) * Installer (anaconda), login screen (gdm and gnome-shell), setup screen (gnome-initial-setup)*, documentation, and plenty more (jflory7, 08:15:10) * The above shows that many contributors are working upstream in other projects like GNOME or Mozilla which also impact and affect user experience (jflory7, 08:15:11) * Q: "Why is the word 'Fedora' translated as a brand name?" (jflory7, 08:15:37) * Development Cycle (jflory7, 08:16:52) * 875 translators registered ! (jibecfed, 08:20:18) * Translation schedule detailed on the wiki, has a QA test period and also works with upstream project schedules, like the Linux kernel, glibc, GNOME, KDE Plasma, LibreOffice, Python, etc. (jflory7, 08:21:09) * Which version of the software is coming in the next version of Fedora? Offers a target version to focus on for the upcoming release (jflory7, 08:21:09) * Localization Project (jflory7, 08:21:09) * Translators group for Fedora packages (jflory7, 08:21:09) * 81 languages team (jflory7, 08:21:09) * 875 officially registered translators, although not all are active, they come at different times (jflory7, 08:21:10) * LINK: http://fedora.zanata.org (jflory7, 08:21:10) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10n (jflory7, 08:21:10) * Bi-weekly meeting @ #fedora-g11n (jflory7, 08:21:10) * How to join the Localization team (jflory7, 08:21:32) * maybe more, 875 is the number of registered users and trans (jibecfed, 08:21:51) * (1) Create Fedora Account @ FAS (jflory7, 08:21:51) * (2) Introducing yourself (sections 1-3 are sufficient but 2.3, introducing yourself, is the most important part with communicating with other translators and reaching out to the community) (jflory7, 08:23:37) * Not sure what to do next? Ask your language coordinator for help (jflory7, 08:23:50) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Teams (jflory7, 08:23:59) * Talking to coordinator is important, they are happy to help offer pointers and advice for new translators (jflory7, 08:25:10) * === Infrastructure workshop === (jflory7, 08:25:18) * Thursday, August 4, 2016, 13:30 - 15:30, Kevin Fenzi (nirik) (jflory7, 08:25:34) * Will focus on communication and collaboration between Infra and projects like Fedora Hubs for including localization in new projects (jflory7, 08:26:07) * Start translating in Zanata (jflory7, 08:26:15) * LINK: https://fedora.zanata.org (jflory7, 08:26:24) * Noriko is using Zanata in japanese and shows every steps for polish translation (it is nice of her!) (jibecfed, 08:31:21) * === Zanata: translation platform === (jflory7, 08:33:31) * Tuesday, August 2, 2016, 14:30 - 15:20, Alex End (aeng) (jflory7, 08:33:49) * Conclusion (jflory7, 08:33:55) * Check out #fedora-g11n! (jflory7, 08:34:24) * Q: "How much interaction do you have with other projects?" (jflory7, 08:37:41) Meeting ended at 08:50:57 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jflory7 (77) * jibecfed (11) * zodbot (4) * noriko (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7(a)gmail.com

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[Flock16] [Transcription] State of Fedora, Flock 2016 Edition
by Justin W. Flory 02 Aug '16

02 Aug '16

https://flock2016.sched.org/event/6uwB/state-of-fedora-2016-keynote Meeting ended Tue Aug 2 07:51:09 2016 UTC. Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock/2016-08-02/flock2016.2016-08… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock/2016-08-02/flock2016.2016-08… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock/2016-08-02/flock2016.2016-08… * * * * * ===================================================================================== #fedora-flock: State of Fedora, Flock 2016 Edition - Speaker: Matthew Miller (mattdm) ===================================================================================== Meeting started by jflory7 at 07:00:05 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock/2016-08-02/flock2016.2016-08… . Meeting summary --------------- * Welcome, Introductions (jflory7, 07:00:19) * Housekeeping notes: Refer to schedule online or on the wall for most current changes, some talks in the brochure are not correct (jflory7, 07:03:59) * Get your Flock 2016 badge! Scan the QR code and/or link in the booklet (jflory7, 07:04:15) * Please remember and follow the Fedora CoC (jflory7, 07:04:24) * LINK: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct (jflory7, 07:04:41) * Tonight, for the walking tour, be on time!! We will leave by 6:50pm UTC+1 (jflory7, 07:04:59) * Tonight, games night will also be happening (jflory7, 07:05:15) * Important contact info is in the Flock booklet! Keep it on hand for if you need it. (jflory7, 07:05:45) * === Social Media === (jflory7, 07:05:51) * Spend some time shouting out about Flock, make some noise, raise the roof, spread the word! (jflory7, 07:06:11) * Official hashtag is #FlockToFedora (jflory7, 07:06:19) * Introduction (jflory7, 07:07:09) * Note about statistics: Numbers generated using Fedora download and update server connections (jflory7, 07:08:30) * In the interest of user privacy, but comes with caveat of potential inaccuracies (jflory7, 07:08:51) * Fedora Update Server Connections (Daily by IP) (jflory7, 07:09:47) * Continued upward trend over the past five releases (jflory7, 07:10:07) * Installer Downloads per Week (jflory7, 07:10:35) * Looking at weekly downloads for the downloads on getfedora.org (jflory7, 07:10:53) * What about the downward trends toward the end of a release? Perhaps associated with the improved methods of upgrading (jflory7, 07:12:02) * Edition + Spin Downloads as Percent of Total over Time (jflory7, 07:12:18) * Workstation around 75% of downloads (jflory7, 07:12:28) * Workstation network installer was not always tracked for downloads, but had fair popularity discovered when we were tracking that (jflory7, 07:13:05) * Q: Netinstaller taking a bite from server downloads? Why? (jflory7, 07:13:30) * A: Not a good answer for this, but seems there might have been some overlap with people using Server for different applications. Statistics available make it hard to determine an answer (jflory7, 07:14:02) * Popular ISP is using Fedora Atomic in some prod. environments (based on discussions at RH Summit 2016), so these numbers may not be the most accurate representation (that might be the most popular version of Fedora... ever??) (jflory7, 07:15:16) * === Adding in the spins === (jflory7, 07:15:24) * Brief diversion into external numbers (jflory7, 07:16:12) * StackOverflow has an annual survey and asked about preferred operating system environment. Windows 52.1%, OS X 26.2%, Linix 21.7% (jflory7, 07:16:50) * Breakdown of Linux flavors: Top 4, Fedora at 1.3% (jflory7, 07:17:09) * Fedora Project is more than just an operating system (so here's some more numbers) (jflory7, 07:18:41) * Q: How big is the Fedora contributor community? (jflory7, 07:18:52) * We have a message bus, fedmsg, which generates activity and can be responded to by people or applications (jflory7, 07:19:11) * Looked at for generating information about our community. Many, many, many numbers made! (jflory7, 07:19:34) * 2000+ contributors with at least some activity (jflory7, 07:19:43) * 800 users active in at least two areas (jflory7, 07:19:51) * 300 users active in all three counted activities (jflory7, 07:20:00) * Counted activities: Bodhi, dist-git, wiki (jflory7, 07:20:10) * Q: Does everyone work for Red Hat? (jflory7, 07:21:45) * A: Contributors with @redhat.com address 26%, Red Hatters sneakily using other domains 9%, everyone else 65% (jflory7, 07:22:12) * These numbers generated manually at times, a lot of the 9% were contributors who started contributing outside of Red Hat and came along later (jflory7, 07:22:58) * Number of contributors providing feedback on package updates each week (jflory7, 07:23:20) * Grouped quarterly activity level of each contributor (jflory7, 07:23:34) * People responsible for the top percentage of fedmsg hits do about 20% of the work, roughly (jflory7, 07:24:27) * Top 10% cumulatively do about 2/3 of the work (jflory7, 07:25:05) * Inaccuracy of dataset: there is a user used for mass rebuilds of packaged, which explains massive skew at some points (jflory7, 07:25:42) * Casual contributors usually drop off steeply around Christmastime or so (jflory7, 07:26:21) * General observations / stats (jflory7, 07:26:46) * === Percent of update feedback each week by time since packager's first action === (jflory7, 07:26:57) * Constant influx of new people with Bodhi feedback, but large majority is done by people who have been around for a user (jflory7, 07:27:16) * === Spam edits per week === (jflory7, 07:28:31) * We've been under heavy attacks by spammers in recent months, impeded some progress in places like higher restrictions on wiki edits, but puiterwijk / basset have helped keep this activity to a minimum (jflory7, 07:29:05) * === Fedora Magazine page views per month === (jflory7, 07:29:18) * Nice upward trend over time (jflory7, 07:29:27) * Fedora releases are peaks in the data (jflory7, 07:29:31) * Lot of growth in content and types of articles available (jflory7, 07:29:40) * Big Goals for 2016 (jflory7, 07:29:50) * mattdm: "I do not set the goals for Fedora - as Fedora leadership and Council, try to discern collective goals of everyone in this room and those who could not be here today in the community" (jflory7, 07:30:38) * Lots of the talks are helping show that and not just ideas I'm pulling out of my head, but ideas we're working on together (jflory7, 07:30:55) * If a release is short or long, we're trying to keep / stick to it (jflory7, 07:31:31) * === Modularity === (jflory7, 07:32:27) * Started at Flock years ago about "Fedora rings" (jflory7, 07:32:55) * Changing how the distribution is put together in the future, thinking of Legos (jflory7, 07:33:17) * Things in reality and not just concepts, a lot of the work langdon has been helping lead with in recent months (jflory7, 07:33:40) * Creating Fedora modules, similar to packages (jflory7, 07:33:53) * === University outreach === (jflory7, 07:34:27) * Bringing new people and developers into the flock (jflory7, 07:34:43) * === Fedora Loves Python === (jflory7, 07:34:48) * New marketing initiative to not focus on "developers" and being broad, focusing on smaller bit and building on existing positive relationships could be useful to help focus and target our efforts (jflory7, 07:35:20) * Ongoing efforts to attract Python developers to the distribution and community (jflory7, 07:35:35) * === Fedora Hubs === (jflory7, 07:36:32) * Core of activity is on Hubs and mailing list, but often completely invisible to people on the outside world (jflory7, 07:36:45) * Hubs will help make Fedora contributions and activity visible to Internet and making our contributions public (jflory7, 07:37:55) * === Fedora Atomic === (jflory7, 07:38:01) * LINK: https://projectatomic.io (jflory7, 07:38:09) * Containerized bits of operating system is likely future of the operating system across editions (jflory7, 07:38:32) * Lots of bleeding edge tech in Atomic and experimenting with crazy ideas - we like to play with leading edge (see: Foundations, Features/First) (jflory7, 07:39:07) * Looking at OpenShift: not just a container system, but a host cluster system (jflory7, 07:39:23) * === Flatpak === (jflory7, 07:40:12) * Similar technology, method for distributing desktop apps, trust they won't take over system, install once install anywhere (jflory7, 07:40:40) * Talk about future of Fedora Workstation which will likely introduce Flatpak (jflory7, 07:40:58) * Ongoing Council discussion about people outside of Fedora creating Flatpaks for Fedora users (jflory7, 07:41:12) * So, questions? (jflory7, 07:41:25) * Special shout-out to Stephen Smoogen (smooge) and Ralph Bean (threebean)for helping generate statistic (jflory7, 07:41:52) * Thanks to all those helping with each release, Fedora would not be the awesome community without all of you (jflory7, 07:42:10) * HELP: We need help transcribing IRC meetings, like this! (jflory7, 07:42:30) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock/Volunteers2016 (jflory7, 07:43:19) * Q: "Do you have any stats on packages that make it to stable from Bodhi? I think that would be interesting" (jflory7, 07:43:45) * A: Likely available, not generated at time of presentation - "things to work on slides" (jflory7, 07:44:18) * LINK: http://bit.ly/flock16help (puiterwijk, 07:44:33) * Q: "Do we have any statistics on whether or not the University Involvement Initiative has impacted growth in the project?" (jflory7, 07:44:39) * A: No hard data available, Fedora Women's Day which was successful fits along with improving diversity efforts. There is a large survey being worked on for contributor community to best understand our community as well. (jflory7, 07:45:13) * Q: "Do you have any stats on how people are using Fedora as compared to other stats in the presentation?" (jflory7, 07:46:07) * A: No, not available (see: privacy concerns), but still able to discern patterns from downloads and upgrade activity (jflory7, 07:46:41) * Q: Activity regarding contributor and user activity in the project (jflory7, 07:47:29) * A: For community, we have field in FAS account to understand where our contributors come from (available but not measured at this time), some regional data for users can be discernable but difficult to measure due to regional issues, e.g. connection speeds and strength affecting number of connections (jflory7, 07:48:26) * Q: "Is the information on fedmsg a major privacy threat with how public it is?" (jflory7, 07:48:38) * A: Reasons for not more invasive data is being careful about privacy, data is very valuable for understanding our project but also privacy is a major concern too - this is an ongoing discussion in the Council (jflory7, 07:49:36) * Conclusion (jflory7, 07:49:40) * Thanks for being here everyone and have a great Flock! (jflory7, 07:49:52) * HELP: SPEAKERS: Note, there are laptops available for the sole purpose of recording your talks! Make sure you're recording a video and start AND stop your talks when recording! Try testing before your talk! We want to upload all talks to YouTube post-Flock, so make sure you get your talk recorded for our remote contributors and interested users! (jflory7, 07:50:48) Meeting ended at 07:51:09 UTC. 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