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On Tue, 2016-09-20 at 10:03 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Apologies for seemingly being full of stop energy here, but we have
very deliberate plan for the websites and the above quoted option is
going to work.
Apologies for being so late with my reply. I didn't want to rush into a
reply. The new university term started last week and we're up to our
eye brows with work here.
is meant to be a 'brochure' style site focused
specifically on Fedora the OS. It's not meant to make the pitch to
contribution at all - was designed specifically to not.
That certainly is something we agree on :)
Community resources are meant to be hosted at fedoraproject.org.
, the URL redirects to getfedora.org
you've said above, is only meant to highlight the products. So there's
really no direct link from fedoraproject.org
to a majority of other
community resources - not the wiki or the teams or roles on join.fp.o,
so one can get an overview of the infra etc.
And, yes, this is by design, which is perfectly OK.
Furthermore, the onboarding of new contributors is meant to be
through Fedora hubs. The idea behind Fedora hubs is that the work
team is working on is clear & transparent so you can get a sense of
a team is actually doing and what help they need (see the help
Sure. As the screenshot in the same ticket (https://pagure.io/fedora-hu
9eaf20391d34-HelpWidgetFinal.png) shows, the help widget will list
specific tasks that the team needs help with. Great.
to make the onboarding
This is something we've talked about and planned for 2
years to overhaul the joining process, see this for a start:
So I think what might make the most sense is to build this as a
Hubs widget rather than Yet Another Website.
Is there anything I can do to help you understand Fedora Hubs better
understand how such a feature would integrate with it / get involved
with the hubs team?
I've read your post multiple times and I more than chuffed with the
design of the hubs. I'm even more chuffed about fedora-join possibly
being used as a welcome wagon since that's the main goal of the SIG
But, all this work is aimed at someone who has already decided that
they want to contribute to Fedora. "The Understanding chain", for
example, starts at: 'Pretend you're a new contributor to Fedora. "I
want to join and contribute. I have no idea where to start."' For this
scenario, the help widget and the cookies and everything else work
what I'm saying is that we should start a step or two before this
instead: "I'm looking at the Fedora website - do I want to contribute
to Fedora?". So, if one plays the same game but from this starting
point, looking at getfedora.org
, you go:
- - OK, so they have three products. Nice.
- - What is the community about? Hrm.. making these three products. But
then, how is it different from Ubuntu? That's a Linux distro too,
right? And I hear Suse is quite nice too.
We provide little info other than our three products to distinguish
ourselves from other distributions. Yes, of course our products
distinguish us and they're extremely marketable, but more importantly,
it is our very particular stance on Free software that really
distinguishes us. It is also the only thing that does not change
between releases, and between marketing paradigms.
So we're not really discussing the same issue when we each use the term
"onboarding". I'm looking for something that gives a person a general
overview of all of Fedora:
- - why Fedora exists in the first place
- - how our work supports the Free software movement and why we have
something called a list of "forbidden items"
- - what, broadly speaking, are the kind of tasks/tools and skills that
go into making a release
- - how so many different teams/SIGs function together
and then armed with this information, we help them find the specific
resource - getfedora/hubs/planet/whatever. Surely, the chances of
someone that is now better aware of the project, community, mission
statement, products, roles, teams, signing up to contribute are higher
than someone who knows nothing about the project.
I keep looking at mozilla's homepage:
The first thing you see is
"Internet for people, not profit.
Hi. We're Mozilla, the proudly non profit champions of the Internet,
helping to keep it healthy, open an accessible to all."
Now, that establishes a unique identity and speaks to a newbie - it
puts the goal of the project and the ideal they're striving towards
first. Then you scroll down and they tell you about Firefox and Rust
and Servo and all that which are means to this ideal (not the other way
So, if you look at the prototype:
that's all it tries to do - give an overview of the project. (I still
think of it as a redesign of the current join.fp.o page rather than a
So none of us are trying to disregard any planning or effort, we're
just trying to solve a different problem here.
Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"
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