<Sigh> as has been stated before there is a group in Pacific *already* doing this for years. They DO things. I understand we want to define purpose here, but, lengthy board meetings aint it. They are willing to share their knowledge of having done this with great results. Part of how they do this is by promoting FOSS in general and work under assumption folks will gravitate towards projects that match their desires/wants. They have more folks willing to become Fedorans, but near as I can see, it's almost an Ubuntu-style use our Distro or GTFO thing. They would like some SWAG, and are caught in a regional funding issue, IMHO. They can help Our Project.

 I'm losing interest in minutiae. They can help those willing to help them. We can learn from them, they were abandoned by Ubuntu, so we have a good chance of showing we help produce results, and can learn. /me is willing to help facilitate this (as offered many moons ago) we have former owners/leads of Campus willing to advise. In the time we have kicked these ideas around, they have created a vibrant Python program. They were hoping to add Fedora to things they teach, on campus, in concert with coffee shops.

I love Fedora, but holy crap, can we sh*t and/or get off the pot? Seems as if we'll figure it out by Summer break...Fedora late timing strikes again...

At some point asking for some basic trust from fellow Fedorans should give a little wiggle room to try some new things with proven folks. 

Choices, choices. :) Slight reminder that what we see as issues here make us seem bourgeoisie. Internet speed is of great concern to much of the globe, University type places have better, meeting spots. Im not willing to suggest a proven group justify their results and ideas, nor will I.

Bikeshed.org What color will we paint the shed? What can be stored there? No Ubuntu things? Do we have to use GNU in front of every word? 

Apologies for snarkiness, but, I can see why independent groups are leery of folks willing to talk, rather than do. 2 years of trying to get this group involved has proved the GNU insiders gut feeling they have had; they'll believe it when they see it. They see debates and regional pissing contests. Timer (in my mind) has started, they are gonna help FOSS, if Fedora is part of that, great. If not they will still send some awesome Fedorans our way, but, will most likely find more helpful groups to partner with. Or more likely just decide colonial BS is colonial BS, and keep on keeping on?

ALL Hail Tux the Magnificent!
*/me goes back to waiting to see if results and learning is a goal, or bouncing between regions/boards is what is the plan*

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Viorel Tabara <viorel@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Tue Mar 15 2016 09:36:43 GMT-0600 (MDT) Justin W. Flory <jflory7@gmail.com>
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Viorel. Curious, did you also have any
> ideas on ways that non-academic professionals in academic settings can
> contribute? I'm assuming this might be like a system administrator at a
> school, or a similar type of position.

I'll have to start with a disclaimer: These are my personal thoughts and do not
represent the views of my employer.

I do believe that we need to educate the young generation about the values of
open source and as a professional (I'm not sure if that's a term used across
all educational institutions or only at AU) I can do that by connecting the
academic and professional open source advocates with the community [1] and by
sharing resources as I come across them [2]. Where Fedora could come in is by
being *the* platform to make this happen: technically, socially and culturally
-- more than just a Fedora Ansible-ized OpenStack lab. The logistics of how to
get there is what most of us technical people may be missing.


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