Re: [commops] working on f23 final release announcement

[Remy DeCausemaker]

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----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  To: marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 2:56:04 PM
>  Subject: working on f23 final release announcement
>  
>  Thanks to everyone who helped pull together the F23 beta annoucement.
>  I'd like us to give ourselves a little more time for the final
>  annoucement. :)
>  
>  The beta annoucement is usually targeted at a fairly technical
>  audience, and that makes sense, but when that hits the mainstream press
>  — even the mainstream tech press — that tends to lead to reporting
>  like this sarcastic gem:
>  
>   
> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2427241/red-hat-releases-fedora-...
>  
>  For the final release annoucement, I'd like to refer to release notes
>  (or package lists, or whatever) for the details, and focus more on The
>  Exciting Story of Fedora 23.
>  
>  Please help me write that story. What have we got to work with?
>  
>  --
>  Matthew Miller
>  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Fedora Project Leader
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All,

This is a task that the CommOps team wants to help tackle. It makes sense for CommOps to
help it because it is a community effort that spans across many teams and subprojects. I
have added Release notes to our wiki page here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps#Things_that_the_Fedora_Community_O...:

I, however, have never created a Final release announcement, and am not entirely sure what
all goes into officially making one, other than this list of general tasks here:
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-marketing-tasks.html

According to this list, we're on the final four steps calendar-wise, but task wise,
I'm not sure where we are at (other than we we did release Beta Release Notes.)

Is there a trac instance or some other document somewhere that we're using to track
progress on these items? If not, then we should start creating tickets somewhere to be
assigned in the very near future.

Any other information or resource pages would be super helpful. Even more useful than
static content would be a list of the folks who typically contribute or create the release
notes, so that we can open a loop with them, and get filled in on all the institutional
wisdom. I know the folks who have done the heavy lifting in the past include jzb and
mattdm for sure, who are already stretched pretty thin, so any additional suggestions
would be super helpful.

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread, as this is something that needs to get done in
the very short-term.
--RemyD.

working on f23 final release announcement

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 04:58:19PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  I, however, have never created a Final release announcement, and am
>  not entirely sure what all goes into officially making one, other
>  than this list of general tasks here:
>  https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-marketing-tasks.html 
In the past, it's been either a collaborative effort of marketing, and
in other times, it's been the inspired pen of the FPL. See for example
this:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_announcement

which, let's be honest, we will never top.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

working on f23 final release announcement

[Justin W. Flory]

These are just my own thoughts, but I feel like if we want to really 
find a good way to tell the real story of Fedora, I believe that 
incorporating the motto into the release notes is a good idea of finding 
that story, such as ways that Fedora, both as the distribution and the 
community, have lived up to protecting Freedom, how Fedora has brought 
Friends together by impacting either the overall Linux or even just 
Fedora community, the exciting and innovating Features the new release 
includes for users and developers, and how we are innovating First. The 
motto is the first thing that stands out to me as how to best extract 
the Exciting Story of Fedora 23 - although I know it would take the 
collaboration of many others to pull something together in the 15 days 
we have left before the release.

I'm not quite sure what exactly is envisioned for this release note, but 
if we're looking at deferring the technical notes to more detailed 
sources and including a more "human" side to this release announcement, 
I think we have material from the past six months all around that could 
support all four foundations of the project.

Like Remy mentioned, time is of the essence, so I would think a 
direction should be determined soon and then others in the community 
should be contacted to pull together this story.


Cheers,
------------

Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

On 10/13/2015 10:52 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 04:58:19PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
> > I, however, have never created a Final release announcement, and am
> > not entirely sure what all goes into officially making one, other
> > than this list of general tasks here:
> > https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-marketing-tasks.html
>
>  In the past, it's been either a collaborative effort of marketing, and
>  in other times, it's been the inspired pen of the FPL. See for example
>  this:
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_announcement
>
>  which, let's be honest, we will never top.
>

working on f23 final release announcement

[Remy DeCausemaker]

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----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Justin W. Flory" <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  To: commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:58:33 PM
>  Subject: Re: [commops] working on f23 final release announcement
>  
>  These are just my own thoughts, but I feel like if we want to really
>  find a good way to tell the real story of Fedora, I believe that
>  incorporating the motto into the release notes is a good idea of finding
>  that story, such as ways that Fedora, both as the distribution and the
>  community, have lived up to protecting Freedom, how Fedora has brought
>  Friends together by impacting either the overall Linux or even just
>  Fedora community, the exciting and innovating Features the new release
>  includes for users and developers, and how we are innovating First. The
>  motto is the first thing that stands out to me as how to best extract
>  the Exciting Story of Fedora 23 - although I know it would take the
>  collaboration of many others to pull something together in the 15 days
>  we have left before the release. 
Drawing on the motto could be good ammo. In our 1x1 today, mattdm was lamenting the lack
of punability that was previously afforded by having release names, so having some other
device will be helpful :)

>  I'm not quite sure what exactly is envisioned for this release
> note, but
>  if we're looking at deferring the technical notes to more detailed
>  sources and including a more "human" side to this release announcement,
>  I think we have material from the past six months all around that could
>  support all four foundations of the project. 
I'm new here, so bear with me, but Fedora has been really been making the
"Friends" foundation a focus of the latest release, by improving our
infrastructure and community. I realize this is not necessarily the distro itself, but
there are a few activities that come to mind:

 - We deployed Bodhi2 (5 years in the making, huge performance increases, fine-grained
karma, and more...)
 - D&I - Advisor search ongoing, and we've approved funding to hire two Outreachy
interns, helping with Hubs/dev portal & Community Operations (CommOps)
 - Fedora Hubs has already had a successful intern (mrichards) pave the way for future
interns and contributors.
 - Fedora-bootstrap is our latest project wide CSS and website theme, providing cohesion
to our web properties.
 - Fedmenu is a glimpse into the widgetized future that comes with embeddable widgets via
Fedora Hubs
 - http://whatcanidoforfedora.org is like the Fedora Sorting Hat :)
 - Fedora Magazine has hit milestone readership and publications (actual numbers TBD)
 - Others that I am not thinking of at the moment

I know this list above includes things that we have shipped along with things we have not
yet shipped, but we've made mentionable progress on a number of fronts. I dunno if
these 'Community' improvements are part of a release announcement or not, but they
are def worth mentioning somewhere (particularly the strides that have been made in
front-end, and in Rel-eng.)

>  Like Remy mentioned, time is of the essence, so I would think a
>  direction should be determined soon and then others in the community
>  should be contacted to pull together this story. 
As per standard practice, I've ported the F23 Beta Announcement to a General Release
Announcement Wiki Page as a starter:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F23_release_announcement Let's start here, and keep
updating the wiki page with new info as we get it.

Is there a standard template for asking the WG's and Subprojects for their
bulletpoints? Do we even need to do that, or do we just take the beta notes, and then
fancy them up a bit at this point?

Thanks,
--RemyD.

>  
>  
>  Cheers,
>  ------------
>  
>  Justin W. Flory
>  jflory7(a)gmail.com
>  
>  On 10/13/2015 10:52 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 04:58:19PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  >> I, however, have never created a Final release announcement, and am
>  >> not entirely sure what all goes into officially making one, other
>  >> than this list of general tasks here:
>  >> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-marketing-tasks.html
>  >
>  > In the past, it's been either a collaborative effort of marketing, and
>  > in other times, it's been the inspired pen of the FPL. See for example
>  > this:
>  >
>  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_announcement
>  >
>  > which, let's be honest, we will never top.
>  >
>  
>  
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>

working on f23 final release announcement

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:22:47PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  I'm new here, so bear with me, but Fedora has been really been
> making
>  the "Friends" foundation a focus of the latest release, by improving
>  our infrastructure and community. I realize this is not necessarily
>  the distro itself, but there are a few activities that come to mind:
>  
>   - We deployed Bodhi2 (5 years in the making, huge performance increases, fine-grained
> karma, and more...)
>   - D&I - Advisor search ongoing, and we've approved funding to hire two Outreachy
> interns, helping with Hubs/dev portal & Community Operations (CommOps)
>   - Fedora Hubs has already had a successful intern (mrichards) pave the way for future
> interns and contributors.
>   - Fedora-bootstrap is our latest project wide CSS and website theme, providing cohesion
> to our web properties.
>   - Fedmenu is a glimpse into the widgetized future that comes with embeddable widgets via
> Fedora Hubs
>   - http://whatcanidoforfedora.org is like the Fedora Sorting Hat :)
>   - Fedora Magazine has hit milestone readership and publications (actual numbers TBD)
>   - Others that I am not thinking of at the moment
>  
>  I know this list above includes things that we have shipped along
>  with things we have not yet shipped, but we've made mentionable
>  progress on a number of fronts. I dunno if these 'Community'
>  improvements are part of a release announcement or not, but they are
>  def worth mentioning somewhere (particularly the strides that have
>  been made in front-end, and in Rel-eng.) 
Nice angle — I really like this. I had suggested (or, maybe I glommed
onto someone else's suggestion beacause I like the idea — I forget —
anyway, it was suggested) that Fedora development might benefit from a
"tick-tock" cycle, with one release focusing on process improvements,
and the next release focusing on OS features. People weren't, overall,
comfortable with putting Fedora into that model, I think mostly because
feature changes sometimes come faster than that, but also irregularly.
In any case, though I think this is clearly a "tick" release, with more
process and infrastructure improvements than big change within the
actual distribution.

On a similar note, at FUDCon Lawrence a few years ago, Tim Burke
suggested a "red/yellow/green" model for labeling how much scary change
a release contains. (As an alternative to having major/minor releases.)
I'm not a big fan of that, because I think we're mostly at the point
where even our scary releases are actually very solid and are "green"
in the absolute sense. But from that point of view, this is a "green"
release too. With our current marketing / press  model, which relies on
splashy changes to generate talking points, this ironically means the
releases we'd like _most_ to get into the hands of users get less
attention.

So anyway, that's a long way of saying that, yeah, I like the general
idea. I'm not sure a list of technical infrastructure improvements will
play any better with the press than a list of software version bumps,
though. Open to ideas. :)



>  Is there a standard template for asking the WG's and Subprojects
> for
>  their bulletpoints? Do we even need to do that, or do we just take
>  the beta notes, and then fancy them up a bit at this point? 
Beta notes make a good starting point, but I'd say fancy them up _a
lot_. :)

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

working on f23 final release announcement

[Remy DeCausemaker]

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Remy DeCausemaker 
<decause(a)redhat.com&gt;
Fedora Community Lead & Council Member
http://whatcanidoforfedora.org
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----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  To: "Fedora + Community + Operations = Fedora CommOps"
> <commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Cc: "Fedora Marketing team" <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:33:11 PM
>  Subject: Re: [commops] working on f23 final release announcement
>  
>  On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:22:47PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  > I'm new here, so bear with me, but Fedora has been really been making
>  > the "Friends" foundation a focus of the latest release, by improving
>  > our infrastructure and community. I realize this is not necessarily
>  > the distro itself, but there are a few activities that come to mind:
>  > 
>  >  - We deployed Bodhi2 (5 years in the making, huge performance increases,
>  >  fine-grained karma, and more...)
>  >  - D&I - Advisor search ongoing, and we've approved funding to hire two
>  >  Outreachy interns, helping with Hubs/dev portal & Community Operations
>  >  (CommOps)
>  >  - Fedora Hubs has already had a successful intern (mrichards) pave the way
>  >  for future interns and contributors.
>  >  - Fedora-bootstrap is our latest project wide CSS and website theme,
>  >  providing cohesion to our web properties.
>  >  - Fedmenu is a glimpse into the widgetized future that comes with
>  >  embeddable widgets via Fedora Hubs
>  >  - http://whatcanidoforfedora.org is like the Fedora Sorting Hat :)
>  >  - Fedora Magazine has hit milestone readership and publications (actual
>  >  numbers TBD)
>  >  - Others that I am not thinking of at the moment
>  > 
>  > I know this list above includes things that we have shipped along
>  > with things we have not yet shipped, but we've made mentionable
>  > progress on a number of fronts. I dunno if these 'Community'
>  > improvements are part of a release announcement or not, but they are
>  > def worth mentioning somewhere (particularly the strides that have
>  > been made in front-end, and in Rel-eng.)
>  
>  Nice angle — I really like this. I had suggested (or, maybe I glommed
>  onto someone else's suggestion beacause I like the idea — I forget —
>  anyway, it was suggested) that Fedora development might benefit from a
>  "tick-tock" cycle, with one release focusing on process improvements,
>  and the next release focusing on OS features. People weren't, overall,
>  comfortable with putting Fedora into that model, I think mostly because
>  feature changes sometimes come faster than that, but also irregularly.
>  In any case, though I think this is clearly a "tick" release, with more
>  process and infrastructure improvements than big change within the
>  actual distribution.
>  
>  On a similar note, at FUDCon Lawrence a few years ago, Tim Burke
>  suggested a "red/yellow/green" model for labeling how much scary change
>  a release contains. (As an alternative to having major/minor releases.)
>  I'm not a big fan of that, because I think we're mostly at the point
>  where even our scary releases are actually very solid and are "green"
>  in the absolute sense. But from that point of view, this is a "green"
>  release too. With our current marketing / press  model, which relies on
>  splashy changes to generate talking points, this ironically means the
>  releases we'd like _most_ to get into the hands of users get less
>  attention.
>  
>  So anyway, that's a long way of saying that, yeah, I like the general
>  idea. I'm not sure a list of technical infrastructure improvements will
>  play any better with the press than a list of software version bumps,
>  though. Open to ideas. :) 
I'm also open to ideas. I think that getting a solid list of improvements and
performance enhancements from Fedora-infra about Bodhi2 would a great section to include
in the notes. It's kinda meta, but still such an epic set of improvements from a 5
year undertaking.

I'll reach out to the Infra team and try to get some stats/metrics/facts/bullet
points.

Same for some bullet points on the Fedora-boostrap redesign too. We're making a common
look/feel, and it is helping to provide some cohesion in our web properties.

I'll also reach out to the Magazine folks, and see if I can get some quick
bulletpoints/stats for readers/articles published.

>  
>  
>  
>  > Is there a standard template for asking the WG's and Subprojects for
>  > their bulletpoints? Do we even need to do that, or do we just take
>  > the beta notes, and then fancy them up a bit at this point?
>  
>  Beta notes make a good starting point, but I'd say fancy them up _a
>  lot_. :)
>  
>  --
>  Matthew Miller
>  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Fedora Project Leader
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In a previous post, mattdm asked if this should be going to both mktg + commops lists. I
reckon, until commops list reaches critical mass, I think keeping traffic on both lists
for now is a good idea.

working on f23 final release announcement

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 01:13:36PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  --
>  Remy DeCausemaker 
>  <decause(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Fedora Community Lead & Council Member
>  http://whatcanidoforfedora.org
>  308C A504 0B47 1503 C9D9  E670 E633 A79B 0BB0 F6D9
>  
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  > To: "Fedora + Community + Operations = Fedora CommOps"
> <commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  > Cc: "Fedora Marketing team" <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:33:11 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [commops] working on f23 final release announcement
>  > 
>  > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:22:47PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  > > I'm new here, so bear with me, but Fedora has been really been making
>  > > the "Friends" foundation a focus of the latest release, by improving
>  > > our infrastructure and community. I realize this is not necessarily
>  > > the distro itself, but there are a few activities that come to mind:
>  > > 
>  > >  - We deployed Bodhi2 (5 years in the making, huge performance increases,
>  > >  fine-grained karma, and more...)
>  > >  - D&I - Advisor search ongoing, and we've approved funding to hire
> two
>  > >  Outreachy interns, helping with Hubs/dev portal & Community Operations
>  > >  (CommOps)
>  > >  - Fedora Hubs has already had a successful intern (mrichards) pave the way
>  > >  for future interns and contributors.
>  > >  - Fedora-bootstrap is our latest project wide CSS and website theme,
>  > >  providing cohesion to our web properties.
>  > >  - Fedmenu is a glimpse into the widgetized future that comes with
>  > >  embeddable widgets via Fedora Hubs
>  > >  - http://whatcanidoforfedora.org is like the Fedora Sorting Hat :)
>  > >  - Fedora Magazine has hit milestone readership and publications (actual
>  > >  numbers TBD)
>  > >  - Others that I am not thinking of at the moment
>  > > 
>  > > I know this list above includes things that we have shipped along
>  > > with things we have not yet shipped, but we've made mentionable
>  > > progress on a number of fronts. I dunno if these 'Community'
>  > > improvements are part of a release announcement or not, but they are
>  > > def worth mentioning somewhere (particularly the strides that have
>  > > been made in front-end, and in Rel-eng.)
>  > 
>  > Nice angle — I really like this. I had suggested (or, maybe I glommed
>  > onto someone else's suggestion beacause I like the idea — I forget —
>  > anyway, it was suggested) that Fedora development might benefit from a
>  > "tick-tock" cycle, with one release focusing on process improvements,
>  > and the next release focusing on OS features. People weren't, overall,
>  > comfortable with putting Fedora into that model, I think mostly because
>  > feature changes sometimes come faster than that, but also irregularly.
>  > In any case, though I think this is clearly a "tick" release, with more
>  > process and infrastructure improvements than big change within the
>  > actual distribution.
>  > 
>  > On a similar note, at FUDCon Lawrence a few years ago, Tim Burke
>  > suggested a "red/yellow/green" model for labeling how much scary change
>  > a release contains. (As an alternative to having major/minor releases.)
>  > I'm not a big fan of that, because I think we're mostly at the point
>  > where even our scary releases are actually very solid and are "green"
>  > in the absolute sense. But from that point of view, this is a "green"
>  > release too. With our current marketing / press  model, which relies on
>  > splashy changes to generate talking points, this ironically means the
>  > releases we'd like _most_ to get into the hands of users get less
>  > attention.
>  > 
>  > So anyway, that's a long way of saying that, yeah, I like the general
>  > idea. I'm not sure a list of technical infrastructure improvements will
>  > play any better with the press than a list of software version bumps,
>  > though. Open to ideas. :)
>  
>  I'm also open to ideas. I think that getting a solid list of
>  improvements and performance enhancements from Fedora-infra about
>  Bodhi2 would a great section to include in the notes. It's kinda
>  meta, but still such an epic set of improvements from a 5 year
>  undertaking.
>  
>  I'll reach out to the Infra team and try to get some
>  stats/metrics/facts/bullet points.
>  
>  Same for some bullet points on the Fedora-boostrap redesign
>  too. We're making a common look/feel, and it is helping to provide
>  some cohesion in our web properties.
>  
>  I'll also reach out to the Magazine folks, and see if I can get some
>  quick bulletpoints/stats for readers/articles published. 
I don't think we want to conflate the audience that wants to know how
much better the sausage tastes, with the people that care about
improvements to the sausage making equipment.

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working on f23 final release announcement

[Robyn Bergeron]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 01:13:36PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
> > --
> > Remy DeCausemaker
> > <decause(a)redhat.com&gt;
> > Fedora Community Lead & Council Member
> > http://whatcanidoforfedora.org
> > 308C A504 0B47 1503 C9D9  E670 E633 A79B 0BB0 F6D9
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > > To: "Fedora + Community + Operations = Fedora CommOps"
> <commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > > Cc: "Fedora Marketing team" <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:33:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [commops] working on f23 final release announcement
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:22:47PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
> > > > I'm new here, so bear with me, but Fedora has been really been making
> > > > the "Friends" foundation a focus of the latest release, by
> improving
> > > > our infrastructure and community. I realize this is not necessarily
> > > > the distro itself, but there are a few activities that come to mind:
> > > >
> > > >  - We deployed Bodhi2 (5 years in the making, huge performance increases,
> > > >  fine-grained karma, and more...)
> > > >  - D&I - Advisor search ongoing, and we've approved funding to hire
> two
> > > >  Outreachy interns, helping with Hubs/dev portal & Community
> Operations
> > > >  (CommOps)
> > > >  - Fedora Hubs has already had a successful intern (mrichards) pave the
> way
> > > >  for future interns and contributors.
> > > >  - Fedora-bootstrap is our latest project wide CSS and website theme,
> > > >  providing cohesion to our web properties.
> > > >  - Fedmenu is a glimpse into the widgetized future that comes with
> > > >  embeddable widgets via Fedora Hubs
> > > >  - http://whatcanidoforfedora.org is like the Fedora Sorting Hat :)
> > > >  - Fedora Magazine has hit milestone readership and publications (actual
> > > >  numbers TBD)
> > > >  - Others that I am not thinking of at the moment
> > > >
> > > > I know this list above includes things that we have shipped along
> > > > with things we have not yet shipped, but we've made mentionable
> > > > progress on a number of fronts. I dunno if these 'Community'
> > > > improvements are part of a release announcement or not, but they are
> > > > def worth mentioning somewhere (particularly the strides that have
> > > > been made in front-end, and in Rel-eng.)
> > >
> > > Nice angle — I really like this. I had suggested (or, maybe I glommed
> > > onto someone else's suggestion beacause I like the idea — I forget —
> > > anyway, it was suggested) that Fedora development might benefit from a
> > > "tick-tock" cycle, with one release focusing on process improvements,
> > > and the next release focusing on OS features. People weren't, overall,
> > > comfortable with putting Fedora into that model, I think mostly because
> > > feature changes sometimes come faster than that, but also irregularly.
> > > In any case, though I think this is clearly a "tick" release, with
> more
> > > process and infrastructure improvements than big change within the
> > > actual distribution.
> > >
> > > On a similar note, at FUDCon Lawrence a few years ago, Tim Burke
> > > suggested a "red/yellow/green" model for labeling how much scary
> change
> > > a release contains. (As an alternative to having major/minor releases.)
> > > I'm not a big fan of that, because I think we're mostly at the point
> > > where even our scary releases are actually very solid and are "green"
> > > in the absolute sense. But from that point of view, this is a "green"
> > > release too. With our current marketing / press  model, which relies on
> > > splashy changes to generate talking points, this ironically means the
> > > releases we'd like _most_ to get into the hands of users get less
> > > attention.
> > >
> > > So anyway, that's a long way of saying that, yeah, I like the general
> > > idea. I'm not sure a list of technical infrastructure improvements will
> > > play any better with the press than a list of software version bumps,
> > > though. Open to ideas. :)
> >
> > I'm also open to ideas. I think that getting a solid list of
> > improvements and performance enhancements from Fedora-infra about
> > Bodhi2 would a great section to include in the notes. It's kinda
> > meta, but still such an epic set of improvements from a 5 year
> > undertaking.
> >
> > I'll reach out to the Infra team and try to get some
> > stats/metrics/facts/bullet points.
> >
> > Same for some bullet points on the Fedora-boostrap redesign
> > too. We're making a common look/feel, and it is helping to provide
> > some cohesion in our web properties.
> >
> > I'll also reach out to the Magazine folks, and see if I can get some
> > quick bulletpoints/stats for readers/articles published.
>
>  I don't think we want to conflate the audience that wants to know how
>  much better the sausage tastes, with the people that care about
>  improvements to the sausage making equipment. 
+1 to this. Release announcements are already long-ish as it is. I
think there's a nice line to walk between having personality and not
being boring, informative without losing the reader,

That said -- I think there's definitely room for a mail / blog post to
the wider community celebrating the continuous improvements to the
sausage factory with each release. (Where, definitely room == people
would read it and it would be appreciated, not necessarily room in
someone's life to make it happen :D)

And something like that -- assuming it was published just before or at
the same time as the release announcement -- would be a fine short
addition to a release announcement, IMO. "Want to see how the sausage
is made?" [1] ... "then read this link to take a peek inside the
factory, and how you too can become an official oompa loompa," or
something to that effect, in the contributing section.

Note that the "how the sausage is made" joke has already been used in
this context a bit :)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_Alpha_release_announcement

-Robyn

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[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 04:21:05PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>  On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Paul W. Frields
> <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 01:13:36PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  >> I'm also open to ideas. I think that getting a solid list of
>  >> improvements and performance enhancements from Fedora-infra about
>  >> Bodhi2 would a great section to include in the notes. It's kinda
>  >> meta, but still such an epic set of improvements from a 5 year
>  >> undertaking.
>  >>
>  >> I'll reach out to the Infra team and try to get some
>  >> stats/metrics/facts/bullet points.
>  >>
>  >> Same for some bullet points on the Fedora-boostrap redesign
>  >> too. We're making a common look/feel, and it is helping to provide
>  >> some cohesion in our web properties.
>  >>
>  >> I'll also reach out to the Magazine folks, and see if I can get some
>  >> quick bulletpoints/stats for readers/articles published.
>  >
>  > I don't think we want to conflate the audience that wants to know how
>  > much better the sausage tastes, with the people that care about
>  > improvements to the sausage making equipment.
>  
>  +1 to this. Release announcements are already long-ish as it is. I
>  think there's a nice line to walk between having personality and not
>  being boring, informative without losing the reader,
>  
>  That said -- I think there's definitely room for a mail / blog post to
>  the wider community celebrating the continuous improvements to the
>  sausage factory with each release. (Where, definitely room == people
>  would read it and it would be appreciated, not necessarily room in
>  someone's life to make it happen :D) 
I agree wholeheartedly.  This is something that could go to announce@
for instance, which should reach everyone in the contributor community
and beyond.

>  And something like that -- assuming it was published just before or
> at
>  the same time as the release announcement -- would be a fine short
>  addition to a release announcement, IMO. "Want to see how the sausage
>  is made?" [1] ... "then read this link to take a peek inside the
>  factory, and how you too can become an official oompa loompa," or
>  something to that effect, in the contributing section. 
I'd call this optional since we are not always good about tight-timing
that type of pricess. :-)  But certainly worth social-media lovin'.

>  Note that the "how the sausage is made" joke has already
> been used in
>  this context a bit :)
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_Alpha_release_announcement 
How can we forget? (And wouldn't want to.)

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[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:22:47PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  Drawing on the motto could be good ammo. In our 1x1 today, mattdm
> was
>  lamenting the lack of punability that was previously afforded by
>  having release names, so having some other device will be helpful :) 
Another possibility is to go Halloween themed. We haven't had a release
GA in October since Fedora Core 6 ("Zod!").

Counting on that too soon might be jinxing it, though. :)


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[Robyn Bergeron]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 04:58:19PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
> > I, however, have never created a Final release announcement, and am
> > not entirely sure what all goes into officially making one, other
> > than this list of general tasks here:
> > https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-marketing-tasks.html
>
>  In the past, it's been either a collaborative effort of marketing, and
>  in other times, it's been the inspired pen of the FPL. See for example
>  this:
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_announcement
>
>  which, let's be honest, we will never top. 

To be fair:
* FC5 (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2006-March/msg00027.html)
* F6 (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2006-October/msg00008...)
* F7 (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-May/msg00009.html)
* F9 (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-May/msg00007.html)
* F11 (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-June/msg00006.html)

... were all outstanding.

F8 may still be my favorite:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-November/msg000...

I am guessing F10 was awesome too, but I can't find that one.

:)

-robyn

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[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 04:58:19PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  This is a task that the CommOps team wants to help tackle. It makes
>  sense for CommOps to help it because it is a community effort that
>  spans across many teams and subprojects. I have added Release notes
>  to our wiki page here: 
Cool, thanks. I note that you CC'd the marking list but that got lost
in further replies. Mailing lists are awkward this way, and Fedora has
a crazy sprawl of them. In the interest of keeping this in one place,
would you rather keep this to the commops list, or rather use that for
higher-level coordination and do the actual discussion on the marketing
list (or in the future whichever list is most relevant)?

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