[Minutes] [2016-08-23] Everything you want to know about Python SIG, CommOps toolbox, and wikieditor FAS

[Justin W. Flory]

Hi all!

Par for the course, today was a very full meeting. We spent a lot of 
time covering details on the needs of the Python SIG for on-boarding 
(based on discussions at Flock), migrating some tools in the CommOps 
toolbox to a single place, and also details about some of the discussion 
with the wikieditor FAS group.

More information is all available in the logs. Also, I will be proposing 
moving the meetings starting 30 minutes ahead due to sudden changes in 
my schedule - more on that in a separate email. Thanks everyone for 
coming out today!

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Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 17:24:01 2016 UTC.
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#fedora-meeting: Fedora CommOps (2016-08-23)
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Meeting started by jflory7 at 15:58:40 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-08-23/commops.2016-...
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Meeting summary
---------------
* Agenda  (jflory7, 15:58:58)
   * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:CommOps_2016-08-23
     (jflory7, 15:59:01)
   * (1) Roll Call / Q&A  (jflory7, 15:59:05)
   * (2) Announcements  (jflory7, 15:59:09)
   * (3) Action items from last meeting  (jflory7, 15:59:16)
   * (4) Tickets  (jflory7, 15:59:20)
   * (5) Wiki Gardening  (jflory7, 15:59:26)
   * (6) Community Blog  (jflory7, 15:59:30)
   * (7) Open Floor  (jflory7, 15:59:34)

* Roll Call / Q&A  (jflory7, 15:59:40)
   * Name; Timezone; Sub-projects/Interest Areas  (jflory7, 15:59:44)
   * Sachin S. Kamath; UTC +5.30; GSoC, Metrics, CommOps  (skamath,
     16:00:06)
   * Justin W. Flory; UTC-4; CommOps, Marketing / Magazine, Ambassadors,
     Diversity Team, Join SIG, and more  (jflory7, 16:00:10)
   * Michael Downey; UTC -7:00; CommOps, Marketing, also <3 for gsoc,
     docs, design, *  (downey, 16:00:54)
   * John M. Harris, Jr.; UTC-4; CommOps, Games SIG, Java SIG  (JohnMH,
     16:01:42)

* Announcements  (skamath, 16:01:43)
   * Wesley Otugo; GMT +1  (wesleyotugo, 16:01:43)
   * === Fedora 25 Alpha Release: 2016-08-30 ===  (skamath, 16:01:49)
   * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/Schedule
     (skamath, 16:02:04)
   * The current targeted date for the Fedora 25 Alpha is for August 30,
     2016.  (skamath, 16:02:08)
   * === "List of Flock blogs and more" ===  (skamath, 16:02:28)
   * LINK:
     https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/list-of-flock-blogs-and-more/
     (skamath, 16:02:34)
   * Brief overview of Flock 2016 with links to individual contributor
     blog posts and reports about the event. Good way to reflect / review
     on discussions and focuses from Flock or to see what happened if you
     were not able to attend.  (skamath, 16:02:45)
   * === "FOSS wave: Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, India" ===  (skamath,
     16:03:02)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/foss-wave-bhopal-madhya-pradesh-i...
     (skamath, 16:03:13)
   * Ongoing efforts to introduce FOSS, Fedora Quality Assurance, and
     testing to students across India. Sumantro Mukherjee (sumantrom) is
     helping lead these efforts. Watch for more information on the
     Community Blog in coming weeks!  (skamath, 16:03:23)
   * === REMINDER: Pagure migration, 2016-08-29 ===  (skamath, 16:03:33)
   * Reminder that the migration from Trac to Pagure is targeted for
     Monday, August 29th, 2016. We will be abandoning Trac soon. More
     information to come.  (skamath, 16:03:42)

* Action items from last meeting  (skamath, 16:05:05)
   * LINK:
 
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/commops/commops.2016-08-16-15.59....
     (skamath, 16:05:13)
   * How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting
     for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next
     one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action it if needed. If no
     status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward.  (skamath,
     16:05:20)
   * === [INCOMPLETE] downey Edit original UnixStickers shirt article to
     include links / mentions of the women's sizes / editions too ===
     (skamath, 16:05:33)
   * ACTION: downey Ping jflory7 for editing article / adding paragraph
     into article  (skamath, 16:06:37)
   * === skamath file a ticket on fedmsg repo for the mailman bug ===
     (skamath, 16:06:44)
   * LINK:
 
https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/issues/399
     (skamath, 16:07:18)
   * === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 Work with bee2502 on writing a report /
     update on the Flock 2016 CommOps workshop ===  (skamath, 16:07:59)
   * ACTION: jflory7 Work with bee2502 on writing a report / update on
     the Flock 2016 CommOps workshop  (skamath, 16:08:31)
   * === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 bee2502 Take workshop feedback and parse it
     into more accessible data (e.g. tickets / commits / CommBlog posts /
     metrics / etc.) ===  (skamath, 16:08:43)
   * ACTION: jflory7 bee2502 Take workshop feedback and parse it into
     more accessible data (e.g. tickets / commits / CommBlog posts /
     metrics / etc.)  (skamath, 16:08:51)
   * === [COMPLETE] jflory7 Review emails for pending posts on the
     CommBlog ===  (skamath, 16:09:09)
   * ACTION: jflory7 Review emails for pending posts on the CommBlog
     (skamath, 16:09:21)
   * === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 File tickets for Python SIG, add feedback
     for Ambassadors from workshop ===  (skamath, 16:09:35)
   * ACTION: jflory7 File tickets for Python SIG, add feedback for
     Ambassadors from workshop  (skamath, 16:10:06)
   * === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 Update Community Blog writing guide for
     writing a new article based on what's actually happening in 2016 now
     ===  (skamath, 16:10:29)
   * ACTION: jflory7 Update Community Blog writing guide for writing a
     new article based on what's actually happening in 2016 now
     (skamath, 16:10:38)
   * === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 Sort through ideas on reviewing old
     contributor discussion, form proposals in the ticket, share at next
     meeting ===  (skamath, 16:11:38)
   * ACTION: jflory7 Sort through ideas on reviewing old contributor
     discussion, form proposals in the ticket, share at next meeting
     (skamath, 16:11:45)
   * === [COMPLETE] jflory7 Remove Ticket #10 from meeting agenda,
     collaborate with bee2502 on sorting through feedback / ideas from
     Flock ===  (skamath, 16:12:15)

* Tickets  (skamath, 16:15:02)
   * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-commops/report/9   (skamath,
     16:15:11)
   * === Ticket #78 ===  (skamath, 16:15:18)
   * "Automating a check-in to evaluate activity of members"  (skamath,
     16:15:23)
   * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-commops/ticket/78   (skamath,
     16:15:29)
   * AGREED: Due to lots of raw ideas and discussion from last week's
     meeting, would like to defer further discussion until there are more
     solid proposals to discuss / agree on  (jflory7, 16:24:00)
   * === Ticket #34 ===  (jflory7, 16:25:14)
   * "[Onboarding Series] [MASTER TICKET] Creating sub-project
     on-boarding badge series"  (jflory7, 16:25:19)
   * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-commops/ticket/34   (jflory7,
     16:25:24)
   * Last meeting, we agreed that next target group (outside of final
     follow-up on tickets awaiting badges) would be the Python SIG due to
     discussions that happened at the CommOps workshop at Flock 2016
     (jflory7, 16:28:06)
   * Background on the Python SIG: Around 20 members, handles reviewing
     Python packages in Fedora, deals with Python-specific technical
     decisions in Fedora, also sometimes handles security-critical issues
     with Python packages in Fedora  (jflory7, 16:29:24)
   * Noted at Flock that the on-boarding process for new members has
     difficulties: Unclear process for newcomers to follow,
     distinguishment between mailing lists (one public, one private for
     security bugs) unclear, need more items to be able to help guide
     newcomers to, sometimes there are "human" decisions that need to be
     made when reviewing new applicants  (jflory7, 16:31:09)
   * IDEA: Revamping wiki page / establishing numbered steps for
     newcomers to follow to become involved  (jflory7, 16:31:49)
   * IDEA: Making it clear what info is needed from newcomers for current
     members of the SIG to understand what newcomers are familiar with,
     interested in contributing towards, or able to do  (jflory7,
     16:32:17)
   * IDEA: Coming up with creative solutions for how something that
     sometimes requires a subjective, "human" review process to follow
     general guidelines or points for evaluating newcomers (with context
     to revealing security bugs or issues)  (jflory7, 16:33:21)
   * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Python   (jflory7,
     16:35:26)
   * LINK:
 
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]...
     (jflory7, 16:35:41)
   * LINK:
     https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packager/group::python-sig/
     (jflory7, 16:35:53)
   * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Python/Members_list
     (jflory7, 16:36:17)
   * LINK: http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/   (jflory7, 16:36:30)
   * IDEA: Improving communication about Python SIG member list being on
     the wiki over a FAS group (and that's the official source for people
     involved with the Python SIG)  (jflory7, 16:45:05)
   * IDEA: An apprentice-esque type approach for newcomers to Python
     SIG???  (jflory7, 16:45:23)
   * === Ticket #82 ===  (jflory7, 16:47:55)
   * "Move CommOps toolbox to Pagure"  (jflory7, 16:48:00)
   * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-commops/ticket/82   (jflory7,
     16:48:04)
   * ACTION: skamath File a ticket in Fedora Infra Trac for proposing an
     official migration from fedora-infra GitHub organization into Pagure
     since it has stabilized since the last time this was discussed (to
     jflory7's knowledge, anyways ;) )  (jflory7, 16:54:00)
   * ACTION: jflory7 Reach out to decause about the idea of migrating his
     tools in the CommOps toolbox to Pagure and granting access to the
     CommOps group  (jflory7, 16:54:46)

* Wiki Gardening  (jflory7, 16:56:45)
   * ACTION: commops New members, make sure you add your timezone /
     interests on CommOps wiki [ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps ]
     (jflory7, 16:56:52)
   * wikieditor FAS group: Group created not as a default "join to get
     access" kind of context, but more for edge cases where it's more
     plausible to add them to a standalone FAS group versus onboarding in
     a group (also might not have a FAS group). Example used was remixer
     who maintains a wiki page but nothing else.  (jflory7, 17:03:20)

* Community Blog  (jflory7, 17:05:40)
   * How This Works: There is a quick blast of information about what was
     published in the past week with some metrics, followed by posts that
     are being drafted. After the information blast, the floor is opened
     for any Community Blog-related discussion. Here we go!  (jflory7,
     17:05:48)
   * === This Week in CommBlog ===  (jflory7, 17:05:53)
   * (1) "FOSS wave: Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, India"  (jflory7, 17:05:58)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/foss-wave-bhopal-madhya-pradesh-i...
     (jflory7, 17:06:04)
   * Total Views (Aug. 18 - Aug. 22): 18  (jflory7, 17:06:10)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&...
     (jflory7, 17:06:16)
   * ACTION: jflory7 Do a social media blast promoting the FOSS Wave
     article for Bhopal  (jflory7, 17:06:22)
   * (2) "List of Flock blogs and more"  (jflory7, 17:06:27)
   * LINK:
     https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/list-of-flock-blogs-and-more/
     (jflory7, 17:06:31)
   * Total Views (Aug. 18 - Aug. 22): 54  (jflory7, 17:06:36)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&...
     (jflory7, 17:06:41)
   * === Coming Up in CommBlog ===  (jflory7, 17:06:56)
   * (1) "FOSS Wave: Delhi, India" - scheduled 2016-08-23  (jflory7,
     17:07:03)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2145&preview=1&_ppp=14...
     (jflory7, 17:07:09)
   * (2) "Fedora 24 Release Party in Singapore" - scheduled 2016-08-24
     (jflory7, 17:07:15)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2010&preview=1&_ppp=1d...
     (jflory7, 17:07:21)
   * (3) "Modularity Infrastructure Design" - scheduled 2016-08-25
     (jflory7, 17:07:33)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2154&preview=1&_ppp=71...
     (jflory7, 17:07:39)
   * (4) "Say No to Wiki SPAM!"  (jflory7, 17:07:45)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2208&preview=1&_ppp=1c...
     (jflory7, 17:07:50)
   * ACTION: jflory7 Revisit wiki spam article with context of current
     situation with FAS groups  (jflory7, 17:08:01)
   * (5) "Globalization improvements in Fedora 24"  (jflory7, 17:08:07)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2212&preview=1&_ppp=00...
     (jflory7, 17:08:13)
   * (6) "Modularity and Containers"  (jflory7, 17:08:20)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2235&preview=1&_ppp=4d...
     (jflory7, 17:08:25)
   * (7) "What are Personas and Why Should you Care?"  (jflory7,
     17:08:30)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2230&preview=1&_ppp=33...
     (jflory7, 17:08:35)
   * (8) "Heroes of Fedora (HoF) - F24 Alpha"  (jflory7, 17:08:41)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2091&preview=1&_ppp=98...
     (jflory7, 17:08:46)
   * (9) "Heroes of Fedora (HoF) - F24 Beta"  (jflory7, 17:08:56)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2142&preview=1&_ppp=40...
     (jflory7, 17:09:01)
   * (10) "Heroes of Fedora (HoF) - F24 Final"  (jflory7, 17:09:06)
   * LINK:
 
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2204&preview=1&_ppp=0c...
     (jflory7, 17:09:10)

* Open Floor  (jflory7, 17:19:29)

Meeting ended at 17:24:01 UTC.




Action Items
------------
* downey Ping jflory7 for editing article / adding paragraph into
   article
* jflory7 Work with bee2502 on writing a report / update on the Flock
   2016 CommOps workshop
* jflory7 bee2502 Take workshop feedback and parse it into more
   accessible data (e.g. tickets / commits / CommBlog posts / metrics /
   etc.)
* jflory7 Review emails for pending posts on the CommBlog
* jflory7 File tickets for Python SIG, add feedback for Ambassadors from
   workshop
* jflory7 Update Community Blog writing guide for writing a new article
   based on what's actually happening in 2016 now
* jflory7 Sort through ideas on reviewing old contributor discussion,
   form proposals in the ticket, share at next meeting
* skamath File a ticket in Fedora Infra Trac for proposing an official
   migration from fedora-infra GitHub organization into Pagure since it
   has stabilized since the last time this was discussed (to jflory7's
   knowledge, anyways ;) )
* jflory7 Reach out to decause about the idea of migrating his tools in
   the CommOps toolbox to Pagure and granting access to the CommOps group
* commops New members, make sure you add your timezone / interests on
   CommOps wiki [ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps ]
* jflory7 Do a social media blast promoting the FOSS Wave article for
   Bhopal
* jflory7 Revisit wiki spam article with context of current situation
   with FAS groups




Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* bee2502
   * jflory7 Work with bee2502 on writing a report / update on the Flock
     2016 CommOps workshop
   * jflory7 bee2502 Take workshop feedback and parse it into more
     accessible data (e.g. tickets / commits / CommBlog posts / metrics /
     etc.)
* commops
   * commops New members, make sure you add your timezone / interests on
     CommOps wiki [ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps ]
* downey
   * downey Ping jflory7 for editing article / adding paragraph into
     article
* jflory7
   * downey Ping jflory7 for editing article / adding paragraph into
     article
   * jflory7 Work with bee2502 on writing a report / update on the Flock
     2016 CommOps workshop
   * jflory7 bee2502 Take workshop feedback and parse it into more
     accessible data (e.g. tickets / commits / CommBlog posts / metrics /
     etc.)
   * jflory7 Review emails for pending posts on the CommBlog
   * jflory7 File tickets for Python SIG, add feedback for Ambassadors
     from workshop
   * jflory7 Update Community Blog writing guide for writing a new
     article based on what's actually happening in 2016 now
   * jflory7 Sort through ideas on reviewing old contributor discussion,
     form proposals in the ticket, share at next meeting
   * skamath File a ticket in Fedora Infra Trac for proposing an official
     migration from fedora-infra GitHub organization into Pagure since it
     has stabilized since the last time this was discussed (to jflory7's
     knowledge, anyways ;) )
   * jflory7 Reach out to decause about the idea of migrating his tools
     in the CommOps toolbox to Pagure and granting access to the CommOps
     group
   * jflory7 Do a social media blast promoting the FOSS Wave article for
     Bhopal
   * jflory7 Revisit wiki spam article with context of current situation
     with FAS groups
* skamath
   * skamath File a ticket in Fedora Infra Trac for proposing an official
     migration from fedora-infra GitHub organization into Pagure since it
     has stabilized since the last time this was discussed (to jflory7's
     knowledge, anyways ;) )
* **UNASSIGNED**
   * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* jflory7 (217)
* skamath (103)
* zodbot (17)
* Guest_84847 (14)
* wesleyotugo (14)
* nirik (13)
* downey (12)
* JohnMH (7)
* pviktori (5)
* a2batic (2)
* cprofitt (2)
* bt0 (1)
* bee2502 (1)
* commops (0)




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