Extending meeting time by 30 minutes

[Justin W. Flory]

Hey all,

In the last and today's meeting, the idea came up of extending our
meetings by 30 minutes (16:00 - 17:30 UTC). Are there any objections
about extending the time slot or conflicts for adding those 30 minutes
in? I know many people may not be able to make the full time but we
should be able to discuss important topics earlier in the meeting.

Thanks!

-- 
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

[Viorel Tabara]

On Tue May 10 2016 11:13:18 GMT-0600 (MDT) Justin W. Flory <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt; 
wrote:
>  Are there any objections about extending the time slot or conflicts
> for 
>  adding those 30 minutes in? 
No objections here.

-- 
Viorel

[Dhanesh B. Sabane]

On 05/10/2016 10:43 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
>  Hey all,
>  
>  In the last and today's meeting, the idea came up of extending our
>  meetings by 30 minutes (16:00 - 17:30 UTC). Are there any objections
>  about extending the time slot or conflicts for adding those 30 minutes
>  in? I know many people may not be able to make the full time but we
>  should be able to discuss important topics earlier in the meeting.
>  
>  Thanks!
>  
>  
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
>  commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>   
We should definitely extend our meeting time slot. It is tiring to read
Justin's items in just an hour. :P

-- 
Dhanesh B. Sabane
dhanesh95(a)fedoraproject.org

[Sachin S. Kamath]

+1 to this!

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Justin W. Flory <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hey all,
>
>  In the last and today's meeting, the idea came up of extending our
>  meetings by 30 minutes (16:00 - 17:30 UTC). Are there any objections
>  about extending the time slot or conflicts for adding those 30 minutes
>  in? I know many people may not be able to make the full time but we
>  should be able to discuss important topics earlier in the meeting.
>
>  Thanks!
>
>  --
>  Cheers,
>  Justin W. Flory
>  jflory7(a)gmail.com
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
>  commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>
>

[Tim Apple]

Works just the same for me.
 
Cheers,
Tim Apple "LinuxHippie"
 
 
On Tue, May 10, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Dhanesh B. Sabane wrote:
>  On 05/10/2016 10:43 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
>  > Hey all,
>  >
>  > In the last and today's meeting, the idea came up of extending our
>  > meetings by 30 minutes (16:00 - 17:30 UTC). Are there any objections
>  > about extending the time slot or conflicts for adding those 30
>  > minutes
>  > in? I know many people may not be able to make the full time but we
>  > should be able to discuss important topics earlier in the meeting.
>  >
>  > Thanks!
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
>  > commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>  >
>
>  We should definitely extend our meeting time slot. It is tiring to
>  read
>  Justin's items in just an hour. :P
>
>  --
>  Dhanesh B. Sabane
>  dhanesh95(a)fedoraproject.org
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
>  commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
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[Mark Terranova]

+1 from me. So much to do, great to have time for it. Having the far
reaching items go 1st makes sense.
-MD

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Tim Apple <tim(a)apples.email&gt; wrote:

>  Works just the same for me.
>
>  Cheers,
>  Tim Apple "LinuxHippie"
>
>
>  On Tue, May 10, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Dhanesh B. Sabane wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > On 05/10/2016 10:43 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
>  > > Hey all,
>  > >
>  > > In the last and today's meeting, the idea came up of extending our
>  > > meetings by 30 minutes (16:00 - 17:30 UTC). Are there any objections
>  > > about extending the time slot or conflicts for adding those 30 minutes
>  > > in? I know many people may not be able to make the full time but we
>  > > should be able to discuss important topics earlier in the meeting.
>  > >
>  > > Thanks!
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > _______________________________________________
>  > > Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
>  > > commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > >
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>  > >
>  >
>  > We should definitely extend our meeting time slot. It is tiring to read
>  > Justin's items in just an hour. :P
>  >
>  > --
>  > Dhanesh B. Sabane
>  > dhanesh95(a)fedoraproject.org
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
>  > commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  >
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
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>

[Remy DeCausemaker]

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Tim Apple <tim(a)apples.email&gt; wrote:
>  Works just the same for me.
>
>  Cheers,
>  Tim Apple "LinuxHippie"
>
>
>  On Tue, May 10, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Dhanesh B. Sabane wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 05/10/2016 10:43 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > In the last and today's meeting, the idea came up of extending our
> > > meetings by 30 minutes (16:00 - 17:30 UTC). Are there any objections
> > > about extending the time slot or conflicts for adding those 30 minutes
> > > in? I know many people may not be able to make the full time but we
> > > should be able to discuss important topics earlier in the meeting. 
+1 to extending meeting slot by 30 mins
--RemyD.



-- 
Remy DeCausemaker
Fedora Community Lead & Council
<decause(a)redhat.com&gt;
https://whatcanidoforfedora.org

[Dan Mossor]

On 05/10/2016 12:13 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
>  Hey all,
>
>  In the last and today's meeting, the idea came up of extending our
>  meetings by 30 minutes (16:00 - 17:30 UTC). Are there any objections
>  about extending the time slot or conflicts for adding those 30 minutes
>  in? I know many people may not be able to make the full time but we
>  should be able to discuss important topics earlier in the meeting.
>
>  Thanks!
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
>  commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>  
-1.

To speed up the meeting, it would better serve us to have the Agenda 
and/or announcements posted to the list before the meeting so the links 
can be read and thought about, instead of waiting for them to be read 
and arguments created during the meeting.

-- 
Dan Mossor, RHCSA
Systems Engineer
Fedora Server WG | Fedora KDE WG | Fedora QA Team
Fedora Ambassador | Fedora CommOps
FAS: dmossor IRC: danofsatx
San Antonio, Texas, USA

[Mark Terranova]

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Dan Mossor <danofsatx(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On 05/10/2016 12:13 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > In the last and today's meeting, the idea came up of extending our
> > meetings by 30 minutes (16:00 - 17:30 UTC). Are there any objections
> > about extending the time slot or conflicts for adding those 30 minutes
> > in? I know many people may not be able to make the full time but we
> > should be able to discuss important topics earlier in the meeting.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
> > commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> >
> > -1.
>
>  To speed up the meeting, it would better serve us to have the Agenda
>  and/or announcements posted to the list before the meeting so the links can
>  be read and thought about, instead of waiting for them to be read and
>  arguments created during the meeting. 
^^^^^^^^^ This. +1 Can we do this for ALL the meetings? :)

>  --
>  Dan Mossor, RHCSA
>  Systems Engineer
>  Fedora Server WG | Fedora KDE WG | Fedora QA Team
>  Fedora Ambassador | Fedora CommOps
>  FAS: dmossor IRC: danofsatx
>  San Antonio, Texas, USA
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
>  commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>

[Trishna Guha]

>  On 05/10/2016 12:13 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > In the last and today's meeting, the idea came up of extending our
> > meetings by 30 minutes (16:00 - 17:30 UTC). Are there any objections
> > about extending the time slot or conflicts for adding those 30 minutes
> > in? I know many people may not be able to make the full time but we
> > should be able to discuss important topics earlier in the meeting.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
> > commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> >
>  
+1 here.

-- 
Regards,
Trishna Guha

irc nick: trishnag
Kolkata, India
trishnag(a)fedoraproject.org
trishnag.wordpress.com

[Viorel Tabara]

On Tue May 10 2016 15:50:35 GMT-0600 (MDT) Dan Mossor <danofsatx(a)gmail.com&gt; 
wrote:
>  -1.
>  
>  To speed up the meeting, it would better serve us to have the Agenda and/or 
>  announcements posted to the list before the meeting so the links can be read 
>  and thought about, instead of waiting for them to be read and arguments 
>  created during the meeting. 
I had a similar thought, however until we find a way to keep the meetings to 
one hour, extending the time is the only practical choice.

-- 
Viorel

[Viorel Tabara]

On Tue May 10 2016 15:50:35 GMT-0600 (MDT) Dan Mossor <danofsatx(a)gmail.com&gt; 
wrote:
>  -1.
>  
>  To speed up the meeting, it would better serve us to have the Agenda and/or 
>  announcements posted to the list before the meeting so the links can be read 
>  and thought about, instead of waiting for them to be read and arguments 
>  created during the meeting. 
I had a similar thought, however until we find a way to keep the meetings to 
one hour, extending the time is the only practical choice.

-- 
Viorel

[Brian ORegan]

On 10/05/16 16:50 -0500, Dan Mossor wrote:
> -1.
>
> To speed up the meeting, it would better serve us to have the Agenda
> and/or announcements posted to the list before the meeting so the links
> can be read and thought about, instead of waiting for them to be read
> and arguments created during the meeting.
>  
In infra https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Gobby is used where people can read / update
before meetings.

Might help with a better flow and help formulate answers before hand.

Cheers

>-- 
>Dan Mossor, RHCSA
>Systems Engineer
>Fedora Server WG | Fedora KDE WG | Fedora QA Team
>Fedora Ambassador | Fedora CommOps
>FAS: dmossor IRC: danofsatx
>San Antonio, Texas, USA
>_______________________________________________
>Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
>commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Tummala Dhanvi]

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Justin W. Flory <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hey all,
>
>  In the last and today's meeting, the idea came up of extending our
>  meetings by 30 minutes (16:00 - 17:30 UTC). Are there any objections
>  about extending the time slot or conflicts for adding those 30 minutes
>  in? I know many people may not be able to make the full time but we
>  should be able to discuss important topics earlier in the meeting.
>
>  Thanks! 
-1

IMHO let's keep it short and simple, in-case we need more time we can
always extend the meeting as we are doing usually.

>  --
>  Cheers,
>  Justin W. Flory
>  jflory7(a)gmail.com
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Fedora Community Operations (CommOps) mailing list
>  commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>  
-- 
Regards
Tummala Dhanvi

https://www.dhanvi.org
"Only thing that can never be 'RE-CYCLED' is 'WASTED TIME' ".

[Justin W. Flory]

On 05/10/2016 05:50 PM, Dan Mossor wrote:
>  On 05/10/2016 12:13 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > In the last and today's meeting, the idea came up of extending our
> > meetings by 30 minutes (16:00 - 17:30 UTC). Are there any objections
> > about extending the time slot or conflicts for adding those 30 minutes
> > in? I know many people may not be able to make the full time but we
> > should be able to discuss important topics earlier in the meeting.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>  -1.
>
>  To speed up the meeting, it would better serve us to have the Agenda
>  and/or announcements posted to the list before the meeting so the links
>  can be read and thought about, instead of waiting for them to be read
>  and arguments created during the meeting.
>  
Hey all,

Sorry for the late response back on this topic. I've done some thinking 
about this and the comments from those that were -1. They're valid 
concerns, and I want to take a minute to address them.

I personally believe that the best solution is still to extend the 
meeting times by 30 minutes for now, and use the extra time to 
accomplish more on the agenda. Our meetings are usually pretty packed, 
and I think it's just part of the nature of what type of work we're 
doing in CommOps. It's tough to fit it all into an hour as is, and I 
think adding 30 extra minutes will allow us to have more room for 
discussion about some topics without having to worry about running out 
of time for the meeting - sometimes I feel like some cool or new ideas 
are swept aside for later because of the time crunch, but I think 
extending the meeting time 30 minutes would help solve this.

One way I think we could speed up the meeting is by sending 
announcements out via email on the mailing list before the meeting, like 
Dan suggested. This would speed up the meeting time by maybe 10-15 
minutes and get the info out to CommOps members.

However, I am not sure how I feel about that because then the 
announcements falls to a single person for the email. Usually I'm the 
one who pulls together announcements anyways, but doing it over email 
limits others who have announcements to pitch in, e.g. in IRC, anyone 
can throw something into Meetbot the announcements, whereas in email, 
I'll have to query whoever is online when I'm pulling together 
announcements.

I am still +1 to extending the time by 30 minutes, if only temporary for 
the summer while we have a new influx of interns and students working in 
Fedora. I'd like to make this official starting for next week's meeting, 
if possible.

I hope this addresses some of the concerns mentioned in previous emails 
from those who were -1. I still think we can prioritize important items 
in the agenda (maybe tickets before previous action items?).

Thanks!

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

[Máirín Duffy]

On 05/25/2016 10:47 AM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
>  However, I am not sure how I feel about that because then the
>  announcements falls to a single person for the email. Usually I'm the
>  one who pulls together announcements anyways, but doing it over email
>  limits others who have announcements to pitch in, e.g. in IRC, anyone
>  can throw something into Meetbot the announcements, whereas in email,
>  I'll have to query whoever is online when I'm pulling together
>  announcements. 
What if you did the announcements as an etherpad? Then when you send out 
the email anybody can add their own before the meeting.

~m

[Justin W. Flory]

On 05/25/2016 10:54 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>  On 05/25/2016 10:47 AM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
> > However, I am not sure how I feel about that because then the
> > announcements falls to a single person for the email. Usually I'm the
> > one who pulls together announcements anyways, but doing it over email
> > limits others who have announcements to pitch in, e.g. in IRC, anyone
> > can throw something into Meetbot the announcements, whereas in email,
> > I'll have to query whoever is online when I'm pulling together
> > announcements.
>
>  What if you did the announcements as an etherpad? Then when you send out
>  the email anybody can add their own before the meeting.
>
>  ~m
>  
I'm not opposed to this. I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread 
by Brian that the Infrastructure team uses Gobby for syncing up 
announcements before meetings. I think we could probably have a similar 
strategy with an Etherpad that's linked and documented somewhere.

Alternatively, we could move our meeting agendas out of the wiki 
altogether and into Etherpad / Gobby, but that may be a discussion out 
of the scope of this thread.

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

[Dhanesh B. Sabane]

>  On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Justin W. Flory
> <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  -1
>  
>  IMHO let's keep it short and simple, in-case we need more time we can
>  always extend the meeting as we are doing usually. 
By doing that we are violating the time slot given to us. We're luck there are no
meetings scheduled after CommOps. I think there won't be any harm if we extend the
time slot and yet finish before the deadline. We'll call ourselves prompt. :P

[Justin W. Flory]

On 05/27/2016 11:17 AM, Dhanesh Bhalchandra Sabane wrote:
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Justin W. Flory
> <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > -1
> >
> > IMHO let's keep it short and simple, in-case we need more time we can
> > always extend the meeting as we are doing usually.
>
>  By doing that we are violating the time slot given to us. We're luck there are no
> meetings scheduled after CommOps. I think there won't be any harm if we extend the
> time slot and yet finish before the deadline. We'll call ourselves prompt. :P
>  
I think this is true as well. For the time being, I'm going to go ahead 
and adjust all future meeting times by 30 minutes in Fedocal. We can 
discuss more about if we want to break up some things (like 
announcements, as per mizmo's suggestion) in our meeting (…for future 
meetings).

Hope that wasn't too confusing.

So, one more time to be clear, all future meetings will run from:

*** Weekly, Tuesdays, 16:00 - 17:30 UTC ***

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com