Understanding how the Design Team workflow

[Justin W. Flory]

Hello Design team,

In this week's CommOps meeting, we were reviewing a ticket discussing 
how to help make it easier for Ambassadors to find and discover 
marketing and design resources that have been created for long-term use. 
It was noted by an Ambassador that it can be difficult to find certain 
resources and know where to look to find things that are useful for 
events and other advocacy-related efforts.

You can read more about the current discussion in this ticket.

     https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-commops/ticket/71#comment:5

We were hoping to get some background to understand how exactly the 
Design Team workflow is like and how we could try to solve this problem 
without causing disruption to how things are done and work already in 
the team.

If anyone has a moment to review the ticket and add a comment, or reply 
back to this email with thoughts / an explanation, it would be greatly 
appreciated as we help figure out a solution for this issue! Thanks all.

-- 
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

[Design-team] Understanding how the Design Team workflow

[S.Kemter]

Hi,

Have you ever thought about the problematic of printing?

1. Self-printed vs. printed material (first one shall have lesser colors to
save ink as it becomes to expensive otherwise)
2. different paper formats, letter vs DIN
3. different bleed sizes (well for some it might work with and general
bleed size but not for all)
4. different colors, EMEA ICC profiled, US CMYK and APAC very funny there
very often the printer wants to do it by them self

For stickers it even becomes more problematic as it depends on the printing
method.

So what is the problem, to come with the special need, when you need it?

There is a reason, why such pool doesnt exist. Work vs. Effort, the work
will be to much. Even you talk about generic things, they have to be
adopted all the time and that for just they ¨might¨ be used.

When something needs a change then, that the Ambassadors come not in the
latest moment and know clear all the things we need. Besides that, the
centralized production EMEA has and APAC tries to install makes more sense.

br gnokii


2016-06-03 22:27 GMT+07:00 Justin W. Flory <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  Hello Design team,
>
>  In this week's CommOps meeting, we were reviewing a ticket discussing how
>  to help make it easier for Ambassadors to find and discover marketing and
>  design resources that have been created for long-term use. It was noted by
>  an Ambassador that it can be difficult to find certain resources and know
>  where to look to find things that are useful for events and other
>  advocacy-related efforts.
>
>  You can read more about the current discussion in this ticket.
>
>      https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-commops/ticket/71#comment:5
>
>  We were hoping to get some background to understand how exactly the Design
>  Team workflow is like and how we could try to solve this problem without
>  causing disruption to how things are done and work already in the team.
>
>  If anyone has a moment to review the ticket and add a comment, or reply
>  back to this email with thoughts / an explanation, it would be greatly
>  appreciated as we help figure out a solution for this issue! Thanks all.
>
>  --
>  Cheers,
>  Justin W. Flory
>  jflory7(a)gmail.com
>
>
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[Design-team] Re: Understanding how the Design Team workflow

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi,

On 06/05/2016 10:41 PM, S.Kemter wrote:
>  1. Self-printed vs. printed material (first one shall have lesser
> colors
>  to save ink as it becomes to expensive otherwise)
>  2. different paper formats, letter vs DIN
>  3. different bleed sizes (well for some it might work with and general
>  bleed size but not for all)
>  4. different colors, EMEA ICC profiled, US CMYK and APAC very funny
>  there very often the printer wants to do it by them self
>
>  For stickers it even becomes more problematic as it depends on the
>  printing method.
>
>  So what is the problem, to come with the special need, when you need it? 
These are great points. For our workflow we really need to know all of 
the things gnokii outlines above. We can't know these things ahead of 
time, which is why we ask that anyone doing a run of Fedora materials 
please contact us first so we can make sure it will come out correctly - 
it is impossible to provide ready-made things for every possible 
situation. We have a set of assets we use as a template, but their usage 
requires a designer be involved.

Well, what is the harm in trying to DIY it? I think it could be 
instructive to walk through what can happen if you don't work with the 
design team:

1) If you try to DIY printing something in a low-color situation, you 
may not know the appropriate ways to pull colors out of Fedora designs 
and end up with a compromised Fedora logo that doesn't adhere to our 
guidelines as well as a potentially bad-looking design since there are 
tricks you need to know about for low-color situations that you might 
not know without experience.

2) If you print something designed for US Letter to A4, part of it is 
going to either get cut out, or the design is going to get 
stretched/squished, and you're going to have an ugly blank area on one 
side of the page.

3) If you don't understand bleed sizes / use a document with the bleed 
set incorrectly, the design will be cropped off on all sides of the 
page, potentially some of the text getting cut off and unreadable.

4) If you don't have the right colors set, for example you send a file 
with RGB color where CMYK is required, Fedora blue turns purple. Don't 
believe me? Check out the old Fedora 7 discs. This is how we learned the 
hard way:

https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1c/Fedora-purple.jpg

(the blues on the right side are supposed to be the same color as the 
blues on the left side....)

~m

[Design-team] Re: Understanding how the Design Team workflow

[Justin W. Flory]

On 06/07/2016 08:15 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  On 06/05/2016 10:41 PM, S.Kemter wrote:
> > 1. Self-printed vs. printed material (first one shall have lesser colors
> > to save ink as it becomes to expensive otherwise)
> > 2. different paper formats, letter vs DIN
> > 3. different bleed sizes (well for some it might work with and general
> > bleed size but not for all)
> > 4. different colors, EMEA ICC profiled, US CMYK and APAC very funny
> > there very often the printer wants to do it by them self
> >
> > For stickers it even becomes more problematic as it depends on the
> > printing method.
> >
> > So what is the problem, to come with the special need, when you need it?
>
>  These are great points. For our workflow we really need to know all of
>  the things gnokii outlines above. We can't know these things ahead of
>  time, which is why we ask that anyone doing a run of Fedora materials
>  please contact us first so we can make sure it will come out correctly -
>  it is impossible to provide ready-made things for every possible
>  situation. We have a set of assets we use as a template, but their usage
>  requires a designer be involved.
>
>  Well, what is the harm in trying to DIY it? I think it could be
>  instructive to walk through what can happen if you don't work with the
>  design team:
>
>  1) If you try to DIY printing something in a low-color situation, you
>  may not know the appropriate ways to pull colors out of Fedora designs
>  and end up with a compromised Fedora logo that doesn't adhere to our
>  guidelines as well as a potentially bad-looking design since there are
>  tricks you need to know about for low-color situations that you might
>  not know without experience.
>
>  2) If you print something designed for US Letter to A4, part of it is
>  going to either get cut out, or the design is going to get
>  stretched/squished, and you're going to have an ugly blank area on one
>  side of the page.
>
>  3) If you don't understand bleed sizes / use a document with the bleed
>  set incorrectly, the design will be cropped off on all sides of the
>  page, potentially some of the text getting cut off and unreadable.
>
>  4) If you don't have the right colors set, for example you send a file
>  with RGB color where CMYK is required, Fedora blue turns purple. Don't
>  believe me? Check out the old Fedora 7 discs. This is how we learned the
>  hard way:
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1c/Fedora-purple.jpg
>
>  (the blues on the right side are supposed to be the same color as the
>  blues on the left side....)
>
>  ~m
>  
Thanks so much for this info, Sirko and Máirín! This is all great info 
to have. I also appreciate both of you speaking up in our meeting today 
as that added a lot of insight into how to best approach this topic and 
how we can help the Design Team with this.

I think the approach we're going to focus on for now is looking at how 
this information is communicated with the Ambassadors, and look at 
coming up with a "standard operating procedure" of sorts for what 
Ambassadors should do and expect when it comes to requesting artwork 
assets or printed products.

The introduction of the new roles in the Ambassador regions (Storyteller 
and Logistician) should be useful in helping us work on this and 
communicating it with Ambassadors.

Thanks again for the feedback, this is helping point us in a different 
direction we may not have thought of otherwise. :)

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

[Design-team] Re: Understanding how the Design Team workflow

[S.Kemter]

Hi,

2016-06-08 3:50 GMT+07:00 Justin W. Flory <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  On 06/07/2016 08:15 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 06/05/2016 10:41 PM, S.Kemter wrote:
> >
> >> 1. Self-printed vs. printed material (first one shall have lesser colors
> >> to save ink as it becomes to expensive otherwise)
> >> 2. different paper formats, letter vs DIN
> >> 3. different bleed sizes (well for some it might work with and general
> >> bleed size but not for all)
> >> 4. different colors, EMEA ICC profiled, US CMYK and APAC very funny
> >> there very often the printer wants to do it by them self
> >>
> >> For stickers it even becomes more problematic as it depends on the
> >> printing method.
> >>
> >> So what is the problem, to come with the special need, when you need it?
> >>
> >
> > These are great points. For our workflow we really need to know all of
> > the things gnokii outlines above. We can't know these things ahead of
> > time, which is why we ask that anyone doing a run of Fedora materials
> > please contact us first so we can make sure it will come out correctly -
> > it is impossible to provide ready-made things for every possible
> > situation. We have a set of assets we use as a template, but their usage
> > requires a designer be involved.
> >
> > Well, what is the harm in trying to DIY it? I think it could be
> > instructive to walk through what can happen if you don't work with the
> > design team:
> >
> > 1) If you try to DIY printing something in a low-color situation, you
> > may not know the appropriate ways to pull colors out of Fedora designs
> > and end up with a compromised Fedora logo that doesn't adhere to our
> > guidelines as well as a potentially bad-looking design since there are
> > tricks you need to know about for low-color situations that you might
> > not know without experience.
> >
> > 2) If you print something designed for US Letter to A4, part of it is
> > going to either get cut out, or the design is going to get
> > stretched/squished, and you're going to have an ugly blank area on one
> > side of the page.
> >
> > 3) If you don't understand bleed sizes / use a document with the bleed
> > set incorrectly, the design will be cropped off on all sides of the
> > page, potentially some of the text getting cut off and unreadable.
> >
> > 4) If you don't have the right colors set, for example you send a file
> > with RGB color where CMYK is required, Fedora blue turns purple. Don't
> > believe me? Check out the old Fedora 7 discs. This is how we learned the
> > hard way:
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1c/Fedora-purple.jpg
> >
> > (the blues on the right side are supposed to be the same color as the
> > blues on the left side....)
> >
> > ~m
> >
> >
>  Thanks so much for this info, Sirko and Máirín! This is all great info to
>  have. I also appreciate both of you speaking up in our meeting today as
>  that added a lot of insight into how to best approach this topic and how we
>  can help the Design Team with this.
>
>  I think the approach we're going to focus on for now is looking at how
>  this information is communicated with the Ambassadors, and look at coming
>  up with a "standard operating procedure" of sorts for what Ambassadors
>  should do and expect when it comes to requesting artwork assets or printed
>  products.
>
>  The introduction of the new roles in the Ambassador regions (Storyteller
>  and Logistician) should be useful in helping us work on this and
>  communicating it with Ambassadors.
>  
I dont think so, to be honest the ¨Logistician¨ exists already long time,
he just got a name now. I cant tell here everything, we should talk about
it on Flock, we have to as some things that are made (budget.next) are more
problematic for some regions, without analyzing the situation/problem to
much.

br gnokii


>  Thanks again for the feedback, this is helping point us in a
> different
>  direction we may not have thought of otherwise. :)
>
>
>  --
>  Cheers,
>  Justin W. Flory
>  jflory7(a)gmail.com
>
>  

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[Design-team] Re: Re: Re: Understanding how the Design Team workflow

[Mariia Leonova]

Hi all!

I, too, have something to say about this. There's this part in your ticket comments:

> A single repository
>
> The other idea would be to host a single repository where all the files actually live for
> this one. If this method were approached, it might even be possible to create a package
> for anyone to easily install "fedora-assets" or something >similar... 
Which is exactly what I've been working on during my internship. The repository
actually exists, we just need to discuss during one of our meetings on how best to
organize it, so it would be used with caution. All the above comments about color usage
and typographic requirements are very true.
I have been meaning to write a blog post about it for a while now, and I will.

Best regards, 
Maria Leonova

Interaction designer | PnT Portal
mashaleonova.wordpress.com

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From: "S.Kemter" <sirko.kemter(a)gmail.com&gt;
To: "Fedora + Community + Operations = Fedora CommOps"
<commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
Cc: "Fedora Design Team" <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 6:23:20 AM
Subject: [Design-team] Re: [commops] Re: Re: Understanding how the Design Team workflow

Hi, 

2016-06-08 3:50 GMT+07:00 Justin W. Flory < jflory7(a)gmail.com > : 



On 06/07/2016 08:15 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: 


Hi, 

On 06/05/2016 10:41 PM, S.Kemter wrote: 


1. Self-printed vs. printed material (first one shall have lesser colors 
to save ink as it becomes to expensive otherwise) 
2. different paper formats, letter vs DIN 
3. different bleed sizes (well for some it might work with and general 
bleed size but not for all) 
4. different colors, EMEA ICC profiled, US CMYK and APAC very funny 
there very often the printer wants to do it by them self 

For stickers it even becomes more problematic as it depends on the 
printing method. 

So what is the problem, to come with the special need, when you need it? 

These are great points. For our workflow we really need to know all of 
the things gnokii outlines above. We can't know these things ahead of 
time, which is why we ask that anyone doing a run of Fedora materials 
please contact us first so we can make sure it will come out correctly - 
it is impossible to provide ready-made things for every possible 
situation. We have a set of assets we use as a template, but their usage 
requires a designer be involved. 

Well, what is the harm in trying to DIY it? I think it could be 
instructive to walk through what can happen if you don't work with the 
design team: 

1) If you try to DIY printing something in a low-color situation, you 
may not know the appropriate ways to pull colors out of Fedora designs 
and end up with a compromised Fedora logo that doesn't adhere to our 
guidelines as well as a potentially bad-looking design since there are 
tricks you need to know about for low-color situations that you might 
not know without experience. 

2) If you print something designed for US Letter to A4, part of it is 
going to either get cut out, or the design is going to get 
stretched/squished, and you're going to have an ugly blank area on one 
side of the page. 

3) If you don't understand bleed sizes / use a document with the bleed 
set incorrectly, the design will be cropped off on all sides of the 
page, potentially some of the text getting cut off and unreadable. 

4) If you don't have the right colors set, for example you send a file 
with RGB color where CMYK is required, Fedora blue turns purple. Don't 
believe me? Check out the old Fedora 7 discs. This is how we learned the 
hard way: 

https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1c/Fedora-purple.jpg 

(the blues on the right side are supposed to be the same color as the 
blues on the left side....) 

~m 


Thanks so much for this info, Sirko and Máirín! This is all great info to have. I also
appreciate both of you speaking up in our meeting today as that added a lot of insight
into how to best approach this topic and how we can help the Design Team with this. 

I think the approach we're going to focus on for now is looking at how this
information is communicated with the Ambassadors, and look at coming up with a
"standard operating procedure" of sorts for what Ambassadors should do and
expect when it comes to requesting artwork assets or printed products. 

The introduction of the new roles in the Ambassador regions (Storyteller and Logistician)
should be useful in helping us work on this and communicating it with Ambassadors. 

I dont think so, to be honest the ¨Logistician¨ exists already long time, he just got a
name now. I cant tell here everything, we should talk about it on Flock, we have to as
some things that are made (budget.next) are more problematic for some regions, without
analyzing the situation/problem to much. 

br gnokii 




Thanks again for the feedback, this is helping point us in a different direction we may
not have thought of otherwise. :) 


-- 
Cheers, 
Justin W. Flory 
jflory7(a)gmail.com 




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[Design-team] Re: Re: Re: Understanding how the Design Team workflow

[Justin W. Flory]

On 06/13/2016 07:11 AM, Mariia Leonova wrote:
>  Hi all!
>
>  I, too, have something to say about this. There's this part in your ticket comments:
>
> > A single repository
> >
> > The other idea would be to host a single repository where all the files actually live
> for this one. If this method were approached, it might even be possible to create a
> package for anyone to easily install "fedora-assets" or something
> >similar...
>
>  Which is exactly what I've been working on during my internship. The repository
> actually exists, we just need to discuss during one of our meetings on how best to
> organize it, so it would be used with caution. All the above comments about color usage
> and typographic requirements are very true.
>  I have been meaning to write a blog post about it for a while now, and I will.
>
>  Best regards,
>  Maria Leonova
>
>  Interaction designer | PnT Portal
>  mashaleonova.wordpress.com
>  
Hey Maria! Thanks for sharing this again. Máirín also shared your 
repository with us last week, and this is super helpful to know about! 
Based on the feedback we received, we also want to help find a solution 
that works best for the Design Team, so we will make a strong focus 
towards making sure that the information and procedure is communicated 
effectively to anyone who wants to request printed Fedora items.

Looking forward to reading your blog post!

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com