Tweets from @fedoracommunity are boring :(

[Miro Hrončok]

I've just looked at https://twitter.com/fedoracommunity and I've noticed 
2 things:

1) we got only 140 followers
2) it's basically an RSS feed

We once had that issue a few years ago, when I was in charge of Czech 
Online Linux magazine LinuxEXPRES. The thing we realized was that people 
are most likely to share the tweet and click the link, etc. when the 
tweet is different than the article name and it no longer feels like RSS 
feed.

Going several tweets back, I'd do something like:

  * We've been at #FOSSASIA in #Singapore and it was great
  * Third and last part of “I contributed!” video series (attach one 
video to the tweet)
  * #Fedora now has a Diversity Adviser. What that means?

Those might not be perfect, but it illustrates the idea. A Twitter 
account has to be managed by a real person, not just by a robot, in 
order to attract some followers.

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[Huiren Woo]

I think this is a fantastic idea. I do know we have a fedora social media
team (I'm not part of it) that does handle media for some stuff.

It would be great if the social media team can extend their scope to handle
this. Or perhaps you could be in charge of the social media for Common Ops
but others can also pitch in and contribute.

Thanks for bringing this issue up!

Best Regards,
Huiren

[Miro Hrončok]

On 26.3.2016 12:33, Huiren Woo wrote:
>  I think this is a fantastic idea. I do know we have a fedora social
>  media team (I'm not part of it) that does handle media for some stuff.
>
>  It would be great if the social media team can extend their scope to
>  handle this. Or perhaps you could be in charge of the social media for
>  Common Ops but others can also pitch in and contribute. 
Oh, I'm not that confident with my English :(

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[Joe Brockmeier]

On 03/26/2016 07:24 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>  
>  Those might not be perfect, but it illustrates the idea. A Twitter
>  account has to be managed by a real person, not just by a robot, in
>  order to attract some followers. 
Honestly, I don't think we should be using @fedoracommunity at all. It
dilutes the social media "presence" of Fedora and we're going to have an
uphill battle trying to attract followers.

We aren't so active with the @fedora account that we need to split the
effort, and we shouldn't silo off the contributor content because it may
not be of interest to some percentage of the audience.

Best,

jzb
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jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/

[Remy DeCausemaker]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 03/26/2016 07:24 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >
> > Those might not be perfect, but it illustrates the idea. A Twitter
> > account has to be managed by a real person, not just by a robot, in
> > order to attract some followers.
>
>  Honestly, I don't think we should be using @fedoracommunity at all. It
>  dilutes the social media "presence" of Fedora and we're going to have an
>  uphill battle trying to attract followers.
>
>  We aren't so active with the @fedora account that we need to split the
>  effort, and we shouldn't silo off the contributor content because it may
>  not be of interest to some percentage of the audience. 
This was an early bit of infrastructure that we stood up to test the
commblog->twitter pipeline, and yes, it's purpose is to be the jetpack
plugin's republisher of content from wordpress.

I'd suspect commops would be more than happy to have that jetpack
plugin auto-posting to the main @fedora account, but it'd be good to
get some consensus on whether folks think this is a good idea. It also
doesn't solve the "no human titles" issue that churchyard originally
raised. Perhaps if it is intermingled with the human content already
being posted, it would be 'more interesting' than just having it be a
rss->twitter pipe account?

Since it has been proposed, I'm going to cc some members of the Fedora
magazine editorial team, to see if they agree, and find out the
procedure for pointing jetpack to the main @fedora twitter account.

The only possible issue we're going to have though, is that we do
occasionally do cross-promotion between commblog and magazine
sometimes, so there may be some 'double' posting that happens when we
have big announcements. Not sure how to avoid this, besides manually
posting everything, which is not in the spirit of how commops
operates, and kinda defeats the purpose of the jetpack auto-posting
plugins. I think we're just going to have to accept a certain amount
of 'echo.'

Thoughts?
--RemyD.


-- 
Remy DeCausemaker
Fedora Community Lead & Council
<decause(a)redhat.com&gt;
https://whatcanidoforfedora.org

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:05:52PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  This was an early bit of infrastructure that we stood up to test the
>  commblog->twitter pipeline, and yes, it's purpose is to be the jetpack
>  plugin's republisher of content from wordpress. 
I don't think we want auto-published content on @fedora, do we? 
There is @fedobot for automatic content....

PS: I still love these:
<https://twitter.com/fedobot/status/707270047803121664>


-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 03/28/2016 12:05 PM, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  I'd suspect commops would be more than happy to have that
> jetpack
>  plugin auto-posting to the main @fedora account, but it'd be good to
>  get some consensus on whether folks think this is a good idea. It also
>  doesn't solve the "no human titles" issue that churchyard originally
>  raised. Perhaps if it is intermingled with the human content already
>  being posted, it would be 'more interesting' than just having it be a
>  rss->twitter pipe account?
>  
>  Since it has been proposed, I'm going to cc some members of the Fedora
>  magazine editorial team, to see if they agree, and find out the
>  procedure for pointing jetpack to the main @fedora twitter account. 
OK, but @marketing is really the group to decide this. Magazine doesn't
own @fedora.

Agreed on human titles, though if it's a toss-up between "doesn't get
posted at all" and "has the same title as the Commblog headline" I'd
vote commblog.

I think the best thing to do here is raise this on marketing@, ask for
+1/-1 or further discussion, and take a decision. If nobody cares one
way or another, then the proposal goes through w/lazy consensus.

Remy - do you want to do a proposal for this?

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/

[Remy DeCausemaker]

On Mar 28, 2016 12:58 PM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 03/28/2016 12:05 PM, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  > I'd suspect commops would be more than happy to have that jetpack
>  > plugin auto-posting to the main @fedora account, but it'd be good to
>  > get some consensus on whether folks think this is a good idea. It also
>  > doesn't solve the "no human titles" issue that churchyard originally
>  > raised. Perhaps if it is intermingled with the human content already
>  > being posted, it would be 'more interesting' than just having it be a
>  > rss->twitter pipe account?
>  >
>  > Since it has been proposed, I'm going to cc some members of the Fedora
>  > magazine editorial team, to see if they agree, and find out the
>  > procedure for pointing jetpack to the main @fedora twitter account.
>
>  OK, but @marketing is really the group to decide this. Magazine doesn't
>  own @fedora.
>
>  Agreed on human titles, though if it's a toss-up between "doesn't get
>  posted at all" and "has the same title as the Commblog headline" I'd
>  vote commblog.
>
>  I think the best thing to do here is raise this on marketing@, ask for
>  +1/-1 or further discussion, and take a decision. If nobody cares one
>  way or another, then the proposal goes through w/lazy consensus.
>
>  Remy - do you want to do a proposal for this? 
Can do within 24hrs.

decauseplate.add('autopost mktg proposal')
--RemyD.

>  jzb
>  --
>  Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
>  jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
>  Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/
>

[Miro Hrončok]

On 28.3.2016 16:22, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>  On 03/26/2016 07:24 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >
> > Those might not be perfect, but it illustrates the idea. A Twitter
> > account has to be managed by a real person, not just by a robot, in
> > order to attract some followers.
>
>  Honestly, I don't think we should be using @fedoracommunity at all. It
>  dilutes the social media "presence" of Fedora and we're going to have an
>  uphill battle trying to attract followers.
>
>  We aren't so active with the @fedora account that we need to split the
>  effort, and we shouldn't silo off the contributor content because it may
>  not be of interest to some percentage of the audience.
>  
I agree on that as well.

-- 
Miro Hrončok
--
Phone: [phone]
IRC: mhroncok

[Wesley Otugo]

The thing is should fedora-commops have an account on twitter, it makes more sense have
lets say a group on facebook or a group on google+. I also think we should have the
twitter account renamed to @fedoracommopnews or something like that. I think the whole
sense of commops is community so how should our social media interaction or accounts  be
like ?

[Ryan Lerch]

On 26 Mar 2016 21:24, "Miro Hrončok" <mhroncok(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  I've just looked at https://twitter.com/fedoracommunity and I've noticed 
2
things:
>  1) we got only 140 followers
>  2) it's basically an RSS feed 
This is basically what it was designed to be, just a firehose feed of posts
from the community blog, that people can follow and get updates to from the
blog straight to Twitter. The @fedora account is the account that is more
personal and gets written by actual humans.

There is also the Fedora planet Twitter account that does the same firehose
for planet posts.

Cheers
Ryanlerch
>  We once had that issue a few years ago, when I was in charge of Czech 
Online Linux
magazine LinuxEXPRES. The thing we realized was that people
are most likely to share the tweet and click the link, etc. when the tweet
is different than the article name and it no longer feels like RSS feed.
>  Going several tweets back, I'd do something like:
>
>   * We've been at #FOSSASIA in #Singapore and it was great
>   * Third and last part of “I contributed!” video series (attach one video 
to the
tweet)
>   * #Fedora now has a Diversity Adviser. What that means?
>
>  Those might not be perfect, but it illustrates the idea. A Twitter 
account has to
be managed by a real person, not just by a robot, in order
to attract some followers.
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>  --
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>  IRC: mhroncok
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[Justin W. Flory]

On 03/28/2016 04:44 PM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>  On 26 Mar 2016 21:24, "Miro Hrončok"
> <mhroncok(a)redhat.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>   >
>   > I've just looked at https://twitter.com/fedoracommunity and I've
>  noticed 2 things:
>   >
>   > 1) we got only 140 followers
>   > 2) it's basically an RSS feed
>
>  This is basically what it was designed to be, just a firehose feed of
>  posts from the community blog, that people can follow and get updates to
>  from the blog straight to Twitter. The @fedora account is the account
>  that is more personal and gets written by actual humans.
>
>  There is also the Fedora planet Twitter account that does the same
>  firehose for planet posts.
>  
My personal opinion on this is that the @fedoracommunity account's 
existence is justified and it makes sense to have it. Like Ryan said, 
for the same reason we have @fedora_planet and @fedobot, this account 
isn't necessarily a "high profile social media interest" in my eyes. I 
don't think there needs to be that much strategic effort put into it, 
and it's a nice option to have for anyone who wants to follow new 
Community Blog posts too.

Just because it isn't being used strategically, per say, doesn't mean it 
has to be removed or disabled altogether, right? By that logic, we 
shouldn't have the other pre-existing Fedora accounts either.

In short, I'm +1 to keeping things the way they are with 
@fedoracommunity and putting our main focus into the official @fedora 
handles we have for curated content. I see no issue with keeping the 
simple post-to-social-media accounts up.

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Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com