Marketing-trac: #219: Create Python talking points for Ambassadors

[Marketing Team]

#219: Create Python talking points for Ambassadors
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 Reporter:  jflory7              |       Owner:
     Type:  task                 |      Status:  new
 Priority:  critical             |   Milestone:  Fedora 23
Component:  Talking Points       |    Severity:  urgent
 Keywords:  python, nextmeeting  |  Blocked By:
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 Originally discussed in a
 [https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2016-March/019027.html
 cross-posted mailing list thread].

 = What =
 As was identified by mattdm at DevConf CZ (and earlier discussions),
 Python, Python developers, and Python communities are a major target
 audience for Fedora in 2016. Ambassadors are encouraged to attend and
 promote Fedora in these communities and share how Fedora makes working
 with Python easier, more effective, etc. However, we are not sending them
 out with any documented talking points! Marketing can help with this area.

 = How =
 We have a limited set of resources from the past we can work with. Ruth
 pointed out on the list that there is an existing
 [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Python_brochure Python brochure]
 that was created, but the information on it is old, outdated, and it needs
 some touching up.

 == Brochure update ==
 The solution to this I proposed on the list was:

 1. Identify "hot topics" of Python and create a list.
  * "What makes Python so great on Fedora?"
  * "How is working on Python in Fedora easier than other distros?"
  * "What tools and resources does Fedora offer for Python developers?"
  * "What kind of support is there for Python developers in the project?"
  * "I'm a Python developer and want to help contribute. What can I do to
 help?"
 2. Submitting a ticket on the Design Team Trac with this info and a
 request to update the flyer for distribution in 2016.

 == Building our resources ==
 Like was mentioned on the list, there are not many resources available
 showing or teaching how Fedora is Python-friendly. Perhaps working with
 our Infrastructure team to get a list of some of the hottest Python
 projects they have and using this as a base is in our interest.

 = When =
 This is an urgent need. Our Ambassadors either are going out or will be
 going out to Python events soon across the world and providing them with
 the resources to effectively market Python + Fedora is the first step.

 * **Tentative Due Date**: End of March, absolute *latest*

 = Open Discussion =
 Thoughts, ideas, or ways we can tackle this are welcome. I am intending to
 add this ticket to the
 [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2016-03-02
 2016-03-02 Marketing meeting agenda].

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#219: Create Python talking points for Ambassadors
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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking Points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Changes (by jflory7):

 * keywords:  python, nextmeeting => python, meeting


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#219: Create Python talking points for Ambassadors
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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Changes (by jflory7):

 * cc: kushal, jzb, bkp (added)


Comment:

 '''Discussed in [https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-
 meeting-1/2016-03-09/marketing.2016-03-09-21.55.html 2016-03-09
 meeting].'''

 = Banner =
 bkp volunteered to update the
 [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Python_brochure Python brochure]
 for 2016. The source for the image and the basics are there, but it needs
 some refreshing for 2016.

 Once the changes are complete, the revisions will be uploaded to the wiki
 and a notification will be sent to the Marketing list so we can begin
 printing / distributing this across the channels.

 = Marketing ideas and approaches =
 We had a few ideas come up for how we can approach marketing to
 Pythonistas about why Fedora is awesome to work on Python with!

 * Promote [https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/ Google Summer of Code]
 Python projects on the Community Blog, Magazine, and social media
 * Get a conversation started on the list about using Python in containers
 and how Fedora is a great place to do this kind of work (bring in some
 Pythonistas to the conversation, like Nick Coghlan, Kushal Das, etc.)
 * Talk to the [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Python Python SIG]
 about organizing another Python2 => Python3 vFAD to get some awesome work
 done and promote how Python3 is a big thing in Fedora

 = Standalone meeting? =
 jzb also mentioned the possibility of dedicating an entire meeting time
 slot to only this topic. Do we want to make it take over next week's
 meeting (or at least leave the first ten minutes for high priority tickets
 and the other 50 minutes only for Python)? Or do we want to schedule a new
 meeting in a new time slot to try to pull in some Python experts who might
 not otherwise be able to attend?

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#219: Create Python talking points for Ambassadors
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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Comment (by zbyszek):

 This might be somewhat niche, but for some people it's important, and it
 ties nicely into the university outreach program. Fedora has nice support
 for the Python scientific stack, including Python 3. A bunch of packages
 has been added recently through the NeuroFedora project
 [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1276941], but also some other
 things like python-sphinxcontrib-bibtex. Of course there's numpy, scipy,
 matplotlib, ipython, vtk, etc, etc. Altogether this forms a pretty
 environment for scientific python work.

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#219: Create Python talking points for Ambassadors
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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Comment (by churchyard):

 As a Python Maint and Python SIG team member and an ambassador I would
 love to participate on this.

 Random thoughts:

  * We also have pypy and pypy3 in Fedora. Remove Jython form the brochure
 as it is outdated and maybe nobody works on that.
  * When doing some designing, see also https://github.com/fedora-python
 /fedora-loves-python
  * There is a Python section on http://whatcanidoforfedora.org/
  * See http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/
  * Our infra project use Python, our tools like Anaconda and dnf use
 Python

 I was also about to propose some marketing thing with #FedoraLovesPython
 hashtag on Twitter etc. (For example on EuroPython, hand over the
 sticekrs, ask people to tweet pics of their devices with those stickers
 with hashtags #FedoraLovesPython and #EuroPython in order to win some
 prices or get a badge or something). Maybe we could use #FedoraLovesPython
 also in the brochure.

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#219: Create Python talking points for Ambassadors
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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Comment (by amitksaha):

 I am the creator/maintainer of Fedora Scientific.  Python tools and
 libraries are actively being used in the scientific community and Fedora
 has its own lab product to cater to those in the form of [http://fedora-
 scientific.readthedocs.org/en/latest/python_programming.html Fedora
 Scientific].

 I think this would make a nice point for what you are after.

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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
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 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Comment (by rbergero):

 FYI that the Ansible address is ansible.com -- not ansible.cc, as shown in
 the python brochure.

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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Comment (by jflory7):

 '''Discussed in [https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-
 meeting-1/2016-03-30/marketing.2016-03-30-20.59.html 2016-03-30
 meeting].'''

 = Review request: Brochure =

 Above this comment, bkp attached the latest version of the Python + Fedora
 marketing brochure. The content and graphics could hit the printing press
 ASAP, but we want some other Python developers and contributors in Fedora
 to look this over and verify that everything checks out / makes sense /
 isn't going to get Fedora laughed at for a mistake at a conference.
 Additionally, if there's any major points you think are missing, feel free
 to let us know!

 = Next up: Organizing another porting vFAD? =

 The next possible step for this ticket is to organize another vFAD and put
 a little marketing effort behind it to see if we can help drum up some
 extra support for migrating packages. I will contact the Python SIG
 mailing list about this idea soon.

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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Comment (by jflory7):

 I just sat down and took a look through the brochure. I left my comments
 in the [https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/434#comment:9 Design
 Team ticket], but since we also requested feedback in this ticket, I will
 also post them here:

 * '''outer: "Learn more at:"'''
  * This should probably be https://getfedora.org/ instead of
 http://www.fedoraproject.org. Even though it redirects, it's probably more
 accurate to use the domain you are redirected to versus the
 fedoraproject.org domain. The QR code may need to be updated too.
 * '''outer: Python questions? Wiki page'''
  * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Python
  * Linking to the wiki page here might be a good idea too since a lot of
 information about how to help / get involved is included here.
 * '''inner: Get Fedora'''
  * The URL used is get.fedoraproject.org. Should probably be
 https://getfedora.org/
 * '''inner: Mentioning DevAssistant'''
  * DevAssistant is a popular tool to help get development workspaces set
 up and ready to go, saving time from having to prepare a workspace
 environment. Based on feedback received on the list and also at events, I
 think making mention of DevAssistant somewhere in the brochure is a good
 idea as well.

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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Comment (by zbyszek):

 relkease-monitoring.org

 hyperkitty moved to https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty

 It would be nice to add pagure to the list of infra projects. Maybe
 instead of trac.

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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Comment (by zbyszek):

 dnf install python-thingy does not work anymore. dnf does not support
 install by Provides, and most packages are now called python2-thingy or
 python3-thingy.
 "Get packages" could say:
    Want to install what you find?
    dnf install python2-thingy
    dnf install python3-thingy

 I'd also add a blurb like:
    Fedora 24 includes 1278 rpms for Python 2.7 and 2873 for Python 3.5.

 (This is the result of dnf repoquery --releasever=24 --whatrequires
 'python(abi) = 2.7' --qf '%{name}'|sort -u|wc -l. Maybe some better
query
 should be used.)

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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
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 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Comment (by zbyszek):

 Oops, 1278 rpms for Python 3.5 and 2873 for Python 2.7.

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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:
      Type:  task            |     Status:  new
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Comment (by jflory7):

 Replying to [comment:9 zbyszek]:
>  It would be nice to add pagure to the list of infra projects. Maybe
 instead of trac.

 +1 from me for replacing Trac with Pagure.

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Comment (by bproffit):

 Latest feedback included and SVG files uploaded for review.

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Comment (by ncoghlan):

 The SVG's don't contain any content for me, so I don't know what's
already
 mentioned :(

 General resources to link to: https://developer.fedoraproject.org/

 MicroPython and the BBC micro:bit may be worth mentioning, but I'm not
 entirely clear on the current status of those. I've requested more info
 regarding MicroPython at
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1113915#c16

 Details on working with the micro:bit are covered in
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Micro_Bit

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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:  jflory7
      Type:  task            |     Status:  assigned
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
Blocked By:                  |   Blocking:
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Changes (by jflory7):

 * cc: mizmo (added)
 * owner:   => jflory7
 * status:  new => assigned


Comment:

 '''Discussed in [https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-
 meeting-1/2016-04-06/marketing.2016-04-06-20.55.html 2016-04-06
 meeting].'''

 = PyCon NA =

 [https://us.pycon.org/2016/ PyCon North America] is happening in Portland,
 Oregon, from May 28th to June 5th. This is a major Python event just on
 the horizon where we will be able to execute some of these marketing
 materials and talking points firsthand.

 = Brochure comments =

 decause left some comments about the brochure during and after the meeting
 for some brainstorming.

 == Replacing subtitle text ==

 * '''Subtitle text''': "A love story involving Python and
Fedora"
  * Suggestion 1:
   * Line 1: In a Relationship with Python
   * Line 2: Since November 2003
  * Suggestion 2: Together, Forever, since 2003

 == Leading edge ==

 There is a double leading edge on inside panel of "Developing Python on
 Fedora".

 == Mission statement ==

 Replacing…

 "Fedora incorporates leading-edge..."

 …with…

 "The Fedora Project's mission is to lead the advancement of Free and open
 source software and content as a collaborative community."

 = Next up! =

 After this, we're going to focus on generating some static talking points
 about Fedora in Python, probably somewhere on the wiki of something of
 that nature doesn't already exist.

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#219: Create Python talking points for Ambassadors
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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:  jflory7
      Type:  task            |     Status:  assigned
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
Blocked By:                  |   Blocking:
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Comment (by churchyard):

 Replying to [comment:10 zbyszek]:
>  dnf install python-thingy does not work anymore. dnf does not support
 install by Provides, and most packages are now called python2-thingy or
 python3-thingy.

 Yes, dnf does support installing by Provides. dnf install python-thingy
 still works.

>  I'd also add a blurb like:
>     Fedora 24 includes 1278 rpms for Python 2.7 and 2873 for Python 3.5.
>
>  (This is the result of dnf repoquery --releasever=24 --whatrequires 
'python(abi) = 2.7' --qf '%{name}'|sort -u|wc -l. Maybe some better query
 should be used.)

 This might help as well http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/

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  Reporter:  jflory7         |      Owner:  jflory7
      Type:  task            |     Status:  assigned
  Priority:  critical        |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Talking points  |   Severity:  urgent
Resolution:                  |   Keywords:  python, meeting
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Changes (by churchyard):

 * cc: churchyard (added)


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Changes (by jdulaney):

 * cc: jdulaney (added)


Comment:

 micropython is coming to Fedora:

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1323966

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Comment (by bproffit):

 Updated brochures with feedback from jflory7 and churchyard

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Comment (by churchyard):

 You write Pip with capital letter, pypy all lower case, Python sometimes
 as Python and sometimes as python :(

 Please do not promote DevAssistant in there.

 "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python." - that cool,
 but how doea sthe reader relate those things to Fedora?

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Comment (by bproffit):

 What's wrong with DevAssistant? I'm not defending it, but a reason would
 be helpful.

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Comment (by churchyard):

 We don't have resources/time to develop it any further or even fix bugs
 etc.

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Comment (by jflory7):

 Does the current draft of the brochure check out to everyone? If so, we
 can look at getting this to the printing presses sooner than later and let
 our Ambassadors in the region know they are a resource available to them.

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Comment (by duffy):

 brochure, prepped for print:
 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/434

 feed back from a python dev who read my print out:

 - "the first panel as you open it up makes the call for you to use fedora
 - comes on too strong, comes off preachy. ease into it"

 - "the last panel on the inside isnt too useful to me at all"

 - "there's no mention of fedora workstation or how to get it. that's
 focused towards developers. i'd want to learn about that."

 take it fwiw.

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Comment (by churchyard):

 I wouldn't rush with printing this. Honestly, I think it's far from ready.

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Comment (by churchyard):

 "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python." - that cool,
 but how doea sthe reader relate those things to Fedora? - this still
 stands.

 Also, any chance to promote Python 3 porting activities, such as
 http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/ ?

 Duffy made a fair point as well.

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Changes (by jflory7):

 * keywords:  python, meeting => meeting


Comment:

 Adjusting keywords for this ticket so it actually shows up in the Trac
 report properly. This is on the agenda for tomorrow, we're going to see if
 we can begin to finalize details on this ticket then.

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Comment (by kushal):

 I think if we can mention that by default Fedora is a Python3, that would
 be nice.

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Comment (by churchyard):

 Also, the picture here https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedoras-
 love-python-continues/ has Gimp in it, that should have been spelled GIMP.
 The sentence was never discussed here :(

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Comment (by jflory7):

 Replying to [comment:29 churchyard]:
>  Also, the picture here
> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedoras- 
 love-python-continues/ has Gimp in
it, that should have been spelled GIMP.
 The sentence was never discussed here :(

 This was an editing mistake on my part. I have just corrected the
 capitalization in the announcement. Thanks for catching it!

 Replying to [comment:26 churchyard]:
>  "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python."
> - that cool, 
 but how doea sthe reader relate those things to Fedora? - this still
 stands.
>  
 Any ideas of how we can relate that in the brochure? I'm a little sparse
 for ideas but I agree with what you're saying.

 = Modifying brochure in time for PyCon =

 We are in a bit of a time crunch for this ticket due to the upcoming PyCon
 events across the world, and the time needed to print the brochures. bkp
 and I were going to check in with mizmo about the printing status and if
 it was too late to add more (just pinged in #fedora-design). I meant to
 follow up sooner on this but it slipped my mind.

 To help expedite any potential changes, I have a bullet-point list of the
 proposed revisions.

 = Proposed changes =

 * Add information about Fedora Workstation, how to get it, imply its focus
 towards developers
 * "By default, Fedora uses Python3 and helps contribute to porting Python2
 packages to Python3. You can see more on the Fedora Python Porting
 database. http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/"

 Anything else to add in here?

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Comment (by churchyard):

>  Replying to [comment:26 churchyard]:
>  > "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python." - that 
cool, but how doea sthe reader relate those things to Fedora? - this still
 stands.
>  >
>
>  Any ideas of how we can relate that in the brochure? I'm a little sparse 
 for
ideas but I agree with what you're saying.

 Maybe "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python and
 available in Fedora"

>  Anything else to add in here? 
 You can get a badge for Python 3 porting, maybe show the badge there as
 well?

 https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/parselmouth

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Comment (by jflory7):

 Replying to [comment:31 churchyard]:
>  > Any ideas of how we can relate that in the brochure? I'm a
> little 
 sparse for ideas but I agree with what you're saying.
>  Maybe "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python and 
 available
in Fedora"
>  
 Hah, maybe I was overthinking it. This seems great to me.

 > > Anything else to add in here?
>  
 > You can get a badge for Python 3 porting, maybe show the
badge there as
 well?
>  
 > https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/parselmouth

 = Proposed changes =

 * Add information about Fedora Workstation, how to get it, imply its focus
 towards developers
 * '''Add''': "By default, Fedora uses Python3 and helps
contribute to
 porting Python2 packages to Python3. You can see more on the Fedora Python
 Porting database (and get a badge for helping).
 http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/"
 * '''Change''': "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all
built with Python
 and available in Fedora."

 Anything else to add in here?

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Comment (by decause):

 Stickers:
 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/raw-attachment/ticket/442/hexspec-
 sticker-python_no-text.pdf

 Brochure (under construction):
 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/434/python-
 fedora.pdf

 Tshirts:
 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/431#comment:8

 Poster:
 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/raw-attachment/ticket/444
 /fedora_python_poster-landscape.pdf

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Comment (by churchyard):

 Replying to [comment:32 jflory7]:

>  * '''Add''': "By default, Fedora uses
> Python3 and helps contribute to 
 porting Python2 packages to Python3. You can see
more on the Fedora Python
 Porting database (and get a badge for helping).
 http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/"
 Make sure to add spaces between Python and the version number e.g. Python
 3, not Python3.

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Comment (by churchyard):

 We also have those stickers in Brno https://github.com/fedora-python
 /fedora-loves-python

 I think some other events might use them as well.

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Comment (by duffy):

 bkp - let me make the changes - the brochures converted to scribus for
 cmyk so inkscape updates wont be usable. (unless you want to make the
 changes in scribus.)

 i am going to update the brochure tomorrow at 1 pm eastern us. i cannot
 accept any changes after that point.

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Comment (by bproffit):

 duffy: Okay that's great, thanks! I will honor (and enforce) your
 deadline.

 Peace,
 BKP

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Comment (by duffy):

>  = Proposed changes =
>
>  * Add information about Fedora Workstation, how to get it, imply its 
 focus towards
developers
>  * '''Add''': "By default, Fedora uses
> Python3 and helps contribute to 
 porting Python2 packages to Python3. You can see
more on the Fedora Python
 Porting database (and get a badge for helping).
 http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/"
>  * '''Change''': "Ansible, OpenStack, and
> PiTiVi are all built with 
 Python and available in Fedora."
>  
 Hey so I'm trying to make these changes now and can't:

 - Where is the Fedora Workstation text to add?
 - Theres isnt space to add the stuff about Fedora using Python 3. I
 propose cutting a lot of the Fedora stuff on the leftmost panel of the
 inside and placing this there. (Basically the three grey blocks that say
 fedora strives to -- blah blah. Just kept the first paragraph about
 Fedora, then put in the one about Fedoras porting project for python.)
 - I was expecting this to be an obvious change in an existing sentence but
 I can't find it so I don't know where this is meantto go. *
'''Change''':
 "Ansible, OpenStack, and PiTiVi are all built with Python and available in
 Fedora."

 Some direction would be great. I would really like to get this finalized
 by EOB today so I can prep it for print.

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Comment (by duffy):

 updated print ready file
 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/434/python-
 fedora_final.pdf

 (previews, etc on design team ticket, including alternate version of PDF
 for home printing / digital distrbution)

 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/434

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Comment (by churchyard):

 Thanks, it looks great!

 Some typos:

 Pypy -> PyPy

 PyPy is written in python -> Python

 Fedora Python Porting database -> Fedora Python 3 Porting Database (notice
 both capital D and number 3)

 to porting Python 2 packages to Python3 -> Python 3

 I've marked those with green in:

 https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/attachment/ticket/219/preview-
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 * status:  assigned => closed
 * resolution:   => completed


Comment:

 = Brochures off to print =

 With the recent update that the brochures have been sent off to the
 printer, it seems like we're all set on this ticket! I think from a
 Marketing perspective, we're good to close this ticket out. Thanks all to
 everyone who collaborated and provided input on this ticket, your time is
 really appreciated! This will mark the beginning of a new Marketing
 objective for Fedora this year. :)

 Replying to [comment:40 churchyard]:
>  Thanks, it looks great!
>
>  Some typos:
>
>  Pypy -> PyPy
>
>  PyPy is written in python -> Python
>
>  Fedora Python Porting database -> Fedora Python 3 Porting Database 
 (notice both
capital D and number 3)
>  to porting Python 2 packages to Python3 -> Python 3
>
>  I've marked those with green in:
>
>  https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/attachment/ticket/219/preview- 
 inner.png

 This feedback missed the deadline to make it for the printer, but I am
 going to forward this comment to the [https://fedorahosted.org/design-
 team/ticket/434 Design Team ticket 434] so it is logged there for later
 correction. These changes won't make it in for this run, but we'll get
 them in for next time.

 Thanks again everyone! Nice work.

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