Fedora CoreOS Meeting Minutes 2021-02-24
by Timothée Ravier
Minutes:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2021-02-24/fedora_core...
Minutes (text):
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2021-02-24/fedora_core...
Log:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2021-02-24/fedora_core...
Meeting summary
---------------
* roll call (travier, 16:34:25)
* Action items from last meeting (travier, 16:35:32)
* ACTION: bgilbert to investigate FCCT check for too-small rootfs
(bgilbert, 16:36:06)
* miabbott filed
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/748 (jlebon,
16:37:16)
* Ideas for Outreachy 2021 internships (travier, 16:38:41)
* LINK: Ideas for Outreachy 2021 internships (travier, 16:38:47)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/748
(travier, 16:39:20)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/rpm-ostree/issues/1265 (jlebon,
16:49:43)
* ACTION: jlebon and travier will take an action to submit a proposal
for one of the two rpm-ostree ones (TBD) (travier, 17:00:03)
* New Package Request: stalld (travier, 17:00:45)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/753
(travier, 17:00:50)
* AGREED: In favor of stalld inclusion (travier, 17:37:23)
* Dynamically sized bare-metal image can clobber data partition on
reprovision (travier, 17:12:34)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/586
(travier, 17:12:41)
* AGREED: Set a single limit of 8 GiB: we error if the rootfs is
trapped with less than that, but only warn if there are no
following partition (jlebon, 17:37:02)
* Open Floor (travier, 17:37:49)
Meeting ended at 17:44:45 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* bgilbert to investigate FCCT check for too-small rootfs
* jlebon and travier will take an action to submit a proposal for one of
the two rpm-ostree ones (TBD)
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* bgilbert
* bgilbert to investigate FCCT check for too-small rootfs
* jlebon
* jlebon and travier will take an action to submit a proposal for one
of the two rpm-ostree ones (TBD)
* travier
* jlebon and travier will take an action to submit a proposal for one
of the two rpm-ostree ones (TBD)
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* jlebon (72)
* travier (68)
* dustymabe (42)
* walters (23)
* zodbot (22)
* PanGoat (19)
* lorbus (5)
* dustymab1 (3)
* jbrooks (3)
* cverna (2)
* smooge (2)
* bgilbert (2)
* slowrie (1)
--
Timothée Ravier
Red Hat & Fedora CoreOS Engineer
Red Hat <https://www.redhat.com/>
travier(a)redhat.com IM: travier
<https://www.redhat.com/>
2 years, 9 months
Fedora CoreOS Meeting Minutes 2021-02-17
by Jonathan Lebon
Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2021-02-17/fedora_core...
Minutes (text):
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2021-02-17/fedora_core...
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2021-02-17/fedora_core...
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#fedora-meeting-1: fedora_coreos_meeting
========================================
Meeting started by jlebon at 16:30:23 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2021-02-17/fedora_core...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Action items from last meeting (jlebon, 16:35:36)
* ACTION: bgilbert to investigate FCCT check for too-small rootfs
(bgilbert, 16:36:58)
* jlebon started work on the initrd check and motd warning for minimum
space in https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-config/pull/850
(jlebon, 16:37:09)
* travier filed
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/738 (jlebon,
16:37:16)
* PanGoat filed
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/739
(bgilbert, 16:37:39)
* Add `branched` stream (jlebon, 16:38:54)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/743
(jlebon, 16:38:57)
* AGREED: We will add a branched stream which tracks Fedora 34 until
the next stream moves over. We will move the switchover for next to
be the beta release. (jlebon, 16:54:02)
* New Package Request: iproute-tc (jlebon, 16:54:37)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/742
(jlebon, 16:54:43)
* LINK:
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-config/blob/75c4b1049e4005a7a0deb...
(jlebon, 16:58:38)
* LINK:
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-config/commit/d094721590b6339cdd4...
(jlebon, 16:59:36)
* Discuss enabling rpm-ostree cliwrap (jlebon, 17:01:58)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/730
(jlebon, 17:02:01)
* AGREED: We will turn on cliwrap in the FCOS `next` stream to gain
feedback. We will document it, and send an email to coreos-status.
We will file an f35 Change before turning it on on all streams (as
well as possibly other rpm-ostree variants like FSB and IoT).
(jlebon, 17:28:47)
* Open Floor (jlebon, 17:29:13)
* ACTION: miabbott to file a ticket for Outreachy project ideas
(jlebon, 17:36:10)
Meeting ended at 17:39:56 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* bgilbert to investigate FCCT check for too-small rootfs
* miabbott to file a ticket for Outreachy project ideas
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* bgilbert
* bgilbert to investigate FCCT check for too-small rootfs
* miabbott
* miabbott to file a ticket for Outreachy project ideas
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* jlebon (121)
* travier (29)
* bgilbert (23)
* miabbott (22)
* zodbot (22)
* walters (21)
* jberkus (11)
* jbrooks (9)
* davdunc (9)
* cyberpear (6)
* darkmuggle (4)
* lorbus (3)
* PanGoat (2)
* siosm (0)
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2 years, 9 months
Re: Fedora CoreOS Virtual Meetup this week
by Clement Verna
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 at 13:46, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbyszek(a)in.waw.pl>
wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 06, 2021 at 10:41:16AM +0100, Clement Verna wrote:
> > Recordings are available on Fedora's youtube channel
> >
> > Growing Fedora CoreOS Community :
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSuBWeosAvQ
> > Fedora CoreOS as an Official Edition :
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5VAw8NRXNc
> >
> > You can also find the discussions notes here :
> > https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/pull/732/files -
> > Pull-request but that should be merged soon :)
>
> Hi Clement,
>
> thanks for making those available.
>
Thanks for taking the time to watch it and provide feedback :-)
>
> I listened avidly to the discussion, and here's my take on the subject
> of "FCOS as Edition":
>
> in the discussion, you asked whether there should be "FCOS 33", "FCOS
> 34", etc, and the answer was an emphatic "no". My answer is "yes".
>
What do I mean by that? I think it's fine to have a *goal* of just a
> smooth FCOS stream, i.e. to make the underlying Fedora version
> unimportant to users. But as a practical matter, it'll not be
> achievable and FCOS should instead accept that as long as FCOS is
> based on Fedora, the choices that Fedora "proper" makes and the
> cadence of releases will be visible in FCOS. As mentioned in the
> discussion "the package set is fairly vanilla bodhi stable with a bit
> of delay for the two week promotion timing". Even if FCOS is just a
> subset of those packages, the semiannual jump in package versions and
> configuration choices must be visible to some extent.
>
I think a lot of the work and thoughts that went into designing the stream
release process was to effectively hide
or at least make the semi-annual jump in package versions a non event. The
update barrier approach [0]
that is currently in use is a good example. Currently a user might notice a
Fedora version bump only because of an extra
update and reboot.
IMO having to worry or know which Fedora version is used as a base for FCOS
is defeating the point of FCOS and
automatic updates.
> There seems to be a broad consensus that FCOS should participate more in
> the Fedora Change process: both to monitor announced Changes and to
> announce changes in FCOS using a similar process.
>
I believe that we are already doing a good job at monitoring the announced
changes [1] but
yeah we definitely can do better at announcing changes in FCOS.
>
> But I think FCOS should go a step further, and also *declare* that it
> follows the Fedora schedule. I do *not* mean by that FCOS stable
> stream should by switched on the same day that other Fedora editions
> make a release. The two week delay is quite reasonable. (In fact,
> seasoned users of Fedora "proper" know not to update immediately on
> the release day, and instead wait two or three weeks for wrinkles to
> be ironed out. Since FCOS does updates automatically, I think it's
> totally reasonable to bake such a delay into the plan.) But we should
> be able to say, in the release announcements, that "Workstation,
> Server, etc. release today, and FCOS switch of stable stream will
> follow in two weeks, if no last minute bugs are discovered. Users who
> want to preview the next version, should use the devel stream."
>
So I personally don't agree with that, IMO there is nothing wrong with the
stable stream not
being on the latest version of Fedora as long as it is using a base version
that is supported.
I associate stable with words like slow, solid, robust,etc ... If we
provide support for ~1 year why
not make use of that ? FCOS values stability over new features.
That said I think the goal is to make the switch as soon as possible and
things like having a rawhide
stream [2] will certainly help.
In the case that we want to tightly couple FCOS stable stream to the latest
Fedora version then we should be ready to
delay the GA of other Editions until FCOS as a working stable stream.
About release announcement, I believe that FCOS should follow it's own life
and announce changes
and major features as they happen. This is something we have to improve on
(we already do some announcement [3])
and ideas like having a monthly newsletter are possibilities.
I don't think that making FCOS an edition means that we have to mention it
when
other editions are released.
>
> Matthew said that users should be able to see all editions on
> getfedora.org, and it would be great to also have FCOS there, but it
> means that FCOS stable must be available on a predictable schedule.
>
It is already there in the "Emerging Fedora Editions" sections, the website
is also automatically updated
when new streams are released every 2 weeks.
>
> I think that tying FCOS to the the release schedule of other editions
> will actually be more of a change in perception than any reality,
> since FCOS already is following the bodhi update stream. FCOS has the
> ability to delay some changes and to apply local overrides. But doing
> that burns FCOS maintainer time, and ideally, should not be
> necessary. But changes that are bad for FCOS are probably bad for at
> least some users of other editions. *If* FCOS embraces the Change
> process and the effect of any and all changes on FCOS is evaluated
> early enough, those "downstream" overrides in FCOS should be replaced
> by fixes in the packages themselves, with a benefit to non-FCOS users
> too.
>
I might be wrong but all the override applied are coming from bodhi we
never patch something
directly in FCOS. So I think changes that are needed for FCOS are always
available to
non-FCOS users.
If I got that wrong, could you provide an example ?
> In summary, becoming an Edition goes both ways: it constrains what
> FCOS can do, but it also allows FCOS to influence what happens in
> Fedora "proper". Marketing FCOS and other editions together will offer
> our users a more complete choice and strengthen the Fedora brand.
> It'll also make FCOS more visible and more trusted.
>
[0] - https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/480
[1] - https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/704
[2] - https://builds.coreos.fedoraproject.org/browser?stream=rawhide
[3] - https://twitter.com/FedoraCoreOS/status/132958663213628211
> Zbyszek
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2 years, 9 months
Fedora CoreOS Meeting Minutes 2021-02-10
by Benjamin Gilbert
Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2021-02-10/fedora_core...
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2021-02-10/fedora_core...
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2021-02-10/fedora_core...
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#fedora-meeting-1: fedora_coreos_meeting
========================================
Meeting started by bgilbert at 16:30:39 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2021-02-10/fedora_core...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* roll call (bgilbert, 16:30:43)
* Action items from last meeting (bgilbert, 16:34:20)
* Container Plumbing Days CFP (bgilbert, 16:35:02)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/727
(bgilbert, 16:35:07)
* 2021-02-03: gather status update for Fedora Council (bgilbert,
16:38:02)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/710
(bgilbert, 16:38:08)
* LINK: https://hackmd.io/hksDdnEMSxSrIeOJxyhAMg (bgilbert,
16:38:40)
* Upgrade fails due to minimum-free-space-percent exceeding 3%
(bgilbert, 16:46:38)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/731
(bgilbert, 16:46:45)
* AGREED: Have the initrd check for a root partition that is too small
and is followed by another partition. Warn for now, and eventually
hard fail after a heads-up to coreos-status. Add a warning to FCCT
for the limited cases where FCCT can detect the issue. (bgilbert,
17:03:52)
* ACTION: jlebon to add initrd check and journal entry and/or motd
(bgilbert, 17:04:23)
* ACTION: bgilbert to investigate FCCT check (bgilbert, 17:04:45)
* Platform Request: Proxmox (bgilbert, 17:07:50)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/736
(bgilbert, 17:07:58)
* ACTION: travier to file tracker ticket to discuss platform support
tiers (bgilbert, 17:25:28)
* ACTION: PanGoat to file a tracker ticket to discuss a process for
inviting contributors to platform support (bgilbert, 17:28:46)
* Open Floor (bgilbert, 17:30:01)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/releng/failed-composes/issue/2244 (nirik,
17:31:14)
Meeting ended at 17:39:33 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* jlebon to add initrd check and journal entry and/or motd
* bgilbert to investigate FCCT check
* travier to file tracker ticket to discuss platform support tiers
* PanGoat to file a tracker ticket to discuss a process for inviting
contributors to platform support
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* bgilbert
* bgilbert to investigate FCCT check
* jlebon
* jlebon to add initrd check and journal entry and/or motd
* PanGoat
* PanGoat to file a tracker ticket to discuss a process for inviting
contributors to platform support
* travier
* travier to file tracker ticket to discuss platform support tiers
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* bgilbert (119)
* jlebon (43)
* PanGoat (37)
* zodbot (16)
* travier (14)
* walters (8)
* nirik (7)
* jbrooks (2)
* cyberpear (1)
* slowrie (1)
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2 years, 9 months
Re: Fedora CoreOS Virtual Meetup this week
by Clement Verna
On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 15:26, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbyszek(a)in.waw.pl>
wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 02:34:58PM +0100, Clement Verna wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 14:31, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <
> zbyszek(a)in.waw.pl>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 05:27:54PM +0100, Clement Verna wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > We are going to hold a virtual meetup this Thursday (2021-02-04) .
> The
> > > > meetup will cover 2 topics
> > > >
> > > > * Growing Fedora CoreOS Community - from 15:00 to 15:50 UTC [0]
> > > > and
> > > > * Fedora CoreOS as an Official Edition - from 16:00 to 16:50 UTC [1]
> > > >
> > > > The goal is to have an open discussion and come up with a way
> forward for
> > > > both of these topics. If you are interested to listen or contribute
> > > please
> > > > join us here[2]
> > > >
> > > > [0] - https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/CoreOS/2021/2/4/#m9903
> > > > [1] - https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/CoreOS/2021/2/4/#m9904
> > > > [2] - meet.google.com/pqi-epwy-udg
> > >
> > > I'd like to join, especially the second part, but I have a
> > > conflict. Can you make a recording?
> > >
> >
> > Sure :-)
>
> Appreciated.
>
Recordings are available on Fedora's youtube channel
Growing Fedora CoreOS Community :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSuBWeosAvQ
Fedora CoreOS as an Official Edition :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5VAw8NRXNc
You can also find the discussions notes here :
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/pull/732/files -
Pull-request but that should be merged soon :)
>
> Zbyszek
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