On 01/11/2017 07:15 PM, Brian Exelbierd wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> Matthew Miller píše v St 11. 01. 2017 v 05:54 -0500:
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:41:24AM +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>>>> Finally, I believe these events do not need to be standalone. I
>>>> think they can have greater impact when collocated with other
>>>> conferences or run as "+1 days" to other events. While this
>>>> shouldn't be a requirement, I think it is a good practice to
>>>> encourage.
>>>
>>> while there might some economies of scale and this option always
>>> looks
>>> very appealing to people, I have almost never seen an event where
>>> it
>>> brought a lot of benefit. The specialized co-located event never
>>> attracted anyone from the larger event and people who came for the
>>> specialized event were usually too busy to attend the larger event.
>>> And if it's organized as "+1 day" event, it means people have
to
>>> stay
>>> longer to benefit from both, thus lodging costs go up.
>>> I think the only exception was GNOME.Asia+FUDCon APAC 2014. Two
>>> smaller
>>> events got together and created something big enough to attract
>>> sponsors and visitors from far away. It also worked because
>>> GNOME+Fedora is a combination that makes sense and there is an
>>> overlap
>>> in contributors. I'm one of those who contribute to both.
>>
>>
>> So, this argues against things like "Tack a FUDCon onto FOSDEM", but
>> maybe we can do more combined events with other projects, making
>> bigger-than-Fedora open source conferences where those don't already
>> exist?
>
> Yes, something like this. But the combination has to make sense.
> Upstream projects who are important for Fedora and Fedora is important
> for them are ideal. Organizing events together with for example other
I totally
agree. As you said, we benefit a lot for join GNOME.Asia and
FUDCon APAC together in 2014. While recently I also tried to make Fedora
involve in some KDE event in Beijing, but it totally makes no sense in
the end.
> distributions IMHO doesn't work. A couple of years ago, they
organized
> LinuxDays (general Linux conference)+openSUSE Conference+Gentoo
> miniconf in Prague and it didn't really work. The distro tracks didn't
> really attract anyone from the general audience or from the other
> distro tracks.
> Then it's like the quote from Red Dwarf:
> "Two bodies who share the same space but are unaware of each other's
> existence." :)
>
> Fedora+CentOS may be a different case, but it also doesn't always have
> to work, the two audiences also don't naturally melt in as I could
> observe at DevConf.cz.
Do we have any experience with adding a Fedora themed event to or on to
a non-project focused event, like a developer conference?
In Beijing we tried to
join "Code for Fun" organized by Beijing Linux
User Group, but it almost attracts no new Fedora contributor. This is
not a conference but I think it maybe similar in Beijing.
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