Policy updates

[Ben Cotton]

As we've discussed, I've drafted two policy updates. This is your last
chance to provide feedback before I share them more widely

Policy change policy:
https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/c/6ecf22f6f15a0bff1854b16439ab...

Channel-specific ban policy:
https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/c/dfc10915306b2d9397dfcd2ed6fb...

I'll submit them as PRs and announce them (according to the terms of
the proposed policy change policy) tomorrow

[Langdon White]

you weren't very clear where you wanted feedback so I'm going with ML

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 15:04 Ben Cotton  wrote:
> As we've discussed, I've drafted two policy updates. This is your last
> chance to provide feedback before I share them more widely
>
> Policy change policy:
>
> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/c/6ecf22f6f15a0bff1854b16439ab...
>
> Channel-specific ban policy:
>
> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/c/dfc10915306b2d9397dfcd2ed6fb...

my comment here is just that the multi-channel ban sounds like a "bundle"
and I think we want two separate bans, one in "community 1" and one in
"community 2" with separate tickets and reasoning.

otherwise, I'm good (aside from "fora", seriously, did you have to look
that up??!! ;) )

Langdon
> I'll submit them as PRs and announce them (according to the terms of
> the proposed policy change policy) tomorrow
>
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[Ben Cotton]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:23 PM Langdon White  wrote:
> my comment here is just that the multi-channel ban sounds like a "bundle" and I think we want two separate bans, one in "community 1" and one in "community 2" with separate tickets and reasoning.

I didn't intend to create a bundle, so this is good feedback. I've
made it more clear in a new edit:
https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/c/81b2220a2d502ef666c9ed5bca98...
> otherwise, I'm good (aside from "fora", seriously, did you have to look that up??!! ;) )

This has been a pet peeve of mine for many years. We all have our hangups. :-D

[Chris Punches]

You're creating a behavior problem with your operator teams with this
without some slack for the users.

I myself actually walked in one day to a multichannel ban from a fedora
operator recently and was refused an explanation  without any event having
occurred within at least a year.

No discussion.  I think they had done a retroactive from a year prior as an
excuse but I didn't have details.

Your users need protected from your operators' judgement too to prevent a
hostile environment.

-C

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 5:48 PM Ben Cotton  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:23 PM Langdon White 
> wrote:
> > my comment here is just that the multi-channel ban sounds like a
>
> "bundle" and I think we want two separate bans, one in "community 1" and
> one in "community 2" with separate tickets and reasoning.
> >
>
> I didn't intend to create a bundle, so this is good feedback. I've
> made it more clear in a new edit:
>
> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/c/81b2220a2d502ef666c9ed5bca98...
> > otherwise, I'm good (aside from "fora", seriously, did you have to look
>
> that up??!! ;) )
> >
>
> This has been a pet peeve of mine for many years. We all have our hangups.
> :-D
>
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[Ben Cotton]

Hi Chris,

I appreciate the feedback and added the following line:
    Community members who wish to appeal the ban may file a ticket
with the Council.

Does that ease your concerns? I would also note that requiring teams
to report their bans to Code of Conduct tracker makes it easier for us
to review issues as they arise which will help prevent this sort of
problem in the future.

The intent here was to write down and clarify assumed policies, not to
create anything new, so your response is very helpful in making sure
we're doing what we intend.

I'm sorry to hear that you've been moderated in a non-transparent way.
That is not how we want Fedora to be. I would encourage you to file a
ticket (https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issues) if you want
the Council to review the matter for you.

Thanks,
BC