When we wrote https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council#Objective_Leads, I anticipated that we'd have people asking to create official objectives than we can handle. Instad, we have the other way around. In talking to some people, I find that people find the concept a less self-explanatory than I hoped it to be. I'd like to fix this. One quick thing I'd like to do is change "Objective" to "Initiative", which seems to be more intuitively understood. There's more, but does anyone object to me doing this as a first easy thing?
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
When we wrote https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council#Objective_Leads, I anticipated that we'd have people asking to create official objectives than we can handle. Instad, we have the other way around. In talking to some people, I find that people find the concept a less self-explanatory than I hoped it to be. I'd like to fix this. One quick thing I'd like to do is change "Objective" to "Initiative", which seems to be more intuitively understood. There's more, but does anyone object to me doing this as a first easy thing?
I don't object, but I don't understand the difference or why it matters. To me:
- objective: concrete thing you want to accomplish in a given timeframe - initiative: set of related work items spread across multiple areas, usually with a timeline much longer than an objective
Which did you originally envision Fedora having?
josh
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 08:44:07AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
self-explanatory than I hoped it to be. I'd like to fix this. One quick thing I'd like to do is change "Objective" to "Initiative", which seems to be more intuitively understood. There's more, but does anyone object to me doing this as a first easy thing?
I don't object, but I don't understand the difference or why it matters. To me:
- objective: concrete thing you want to accomplish in a given timeframe
- initiative: set of related work items spread across multiple areas,
usually with a timeline much longer than an objective
Which did you originally envision Fedora having?
I think a little more like the latter; I think people's understanding of "objective" seems to be either an immediate task (maybe like "this quarter") or else something really big (more like "vision" in a formal model). I was aiming for what's possibly a _series_ of objectives over a 12-18 month period. I also like "work items spread across multiple areas" from your second point - that's one of the reasons we wanted these at the Council level.
What about projects? As in Fedora Project projects :P
/me ducks
Serious reply below.
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017, at 05:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 08:44:07AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
self-explanatory than I hoped it to be. I'd like to fix this. One quick thing I'd like to do is change "Objective" to "Initiative", which seems to be more intuitively understood. There's more, but does anyone object to me doing this as a first easy thing?
I don't object, but I don't understand the difference or why it matters. To me:
- objective: concrete thing you want to accomplish in a given timeframe
- initiative: set of related work items spread across multiple areas,
usually with a timeline much longer than an objective
Which did you originally envision Fedora having?
I think a little more like the latter; I think people's understanding of "objective" seems to be either an immediate task (maybe like "this quarter") or else something really big (more like "vision" in a formal model). I was aiming for what's possibly a _series_ of objectives over a 12-18 month period. I also like "work items spread across multiple areas" from your second point - that's one of the reasons we wanted these at the Council level.
I think that both work. I'd like the input of some non-American English speakers for which is more commonly understood. That's the one we should pick.
regards,
bex
2017-06-14 16:20 GMT+02:00 Brian Exelbierd bex@pobox.com:
What about projects? As in Fedora Project projects :P
/me ducks
Serious reply below.
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017, at 05:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 08:44:07AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
self-explanatory than I hoped it to be. I'd like to fix this. One quick thing I'd like to do is change "Objective" to "Initiative", which seems to be more intuitively understood. There's more, but does anyone object to me doing this as a first easy thing?
I don't object, but I don't understand the difference or why it matters. To me:
- objective: concrete thing you want to accomplish in a given timeframe
- initiative: set of related work items spread across multiple areas,
usually with a timeline much longer than an objective
Which did you originally envision Fedora having?
I think a little more like the latter; I think people's understanding of "objective" seems to be either an immediate task (maybe like "this quarter") or else something really big (more like "vision" in a formal model). I was aiming for what's possibly a _series_ of objectives over a 12-18 month period. I also like "work items spread across multiple areas" from your second point - that's one of the reasons we wanted these at the Council level.
I think that both work. I'd like the input of some non-American English speakers for which is more commonly understood. That's the one we should pick.
regards,
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Ok, so as a non native speaker the terms are quite different and are as Josh said. Objective: this is an official thing a group works for, in a given timeframe, and they make also investments to reach the objective in a successful way. Initiative: it's less important, it is an initiative a group is working on, can be successful or even not. There can be many initiatives in the same moment, but a group will probably not make investments on them.
In my understanding we are working on objectives, and we want to be successful with them, allocating also budget for them. But remember, it's the understanding of a non native speaker and how they are used in my language(s). So, if you want to go for Initiative because there is a reason in the English wording, then I'm fine with it. Regards
As yet another non-native English speaker, my understanding of the difference is as follows:
Objective: has clear scope and clear time lines Initiative: the scope is developing as we go and there are no time lines, or time lines are vague, not exactly defined
So, I am aligned with Josh and Robyduck in the meaning.
Regards, Jan
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Robert Mayr robyduck@fedoraproject.org wrote:
2017-06-14 16:20 GMT+02:00 Brian Exelbierd bex@pobox.com:
What about projects? As in Fedora Project projects :P
/me ducks
Serious reply below.
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017, at 05:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 08:44:07AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
self-explanatory than I hoped it to be. I'd like to fix this. One quick thing I'd like to do is change "Objective" to "Initiative", which seems to be more intuitively understood. There's more, but does anyone object to me doing this as a first easy thing?
I don't object, but I don't understand the difference or why it matters. To me:
- objective: concrete thing you want to accomplish in a given timeframe
- initiative: set of related work items spread across multiple areas,
usually with a timeline much longer than an objective
Which did you originally envision Fedora having?
I think a little more like the latter; I think people's understanding of "objective" seems to be either an immediate task (maybe like "this quarter") or else something really big (more like "vision" in a formal model). I was aiming for what's possibly a _series_ of objectives over a 12-18 month period. I also like "work items spread across multiple areas" from your second point - that's one of the reasons we wanted these at the Council level.
I think that both work. I'd like the input of some non-American English speakers for which is more commonly understood. That's the one we should pick.
regards,
bex _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
Ok, so as a non native speaker the terms are quite different and are as Josh said. Objective: this is an official thing a group works for, in a given timeframe, and they make also investments to reach the objective in a successful way. Initiative: it's less important, it is an initiative a group is working on, can be successful or even not. There can be many initiatives in the same moment, but a group will probably not make investments on them.
In my understanding we are working on objectives, and we want to be successful with them, allocating also budget for them. But remember, it's the understanding of a non native speaker and how they are used in my language(s). So, if you want to go for Initiative because there is a reason in the English wording, then I'm fine with it. Regards
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