Unable to attend the meeting today; my take on the budget

[Christoph Wickert]

Hi,

I'll be on a train in the middle of nowhere tonight, so I won't be
able to make it to the council meeting.

Regarding the budget: For me, fF/hDI scenario sounds best, but frankly
speaking I'm not happy with it either. It's not that I don't like the
scenario, but the overall process. It's hard to vote on abstract
scenarios without knowing what they actually mean for the people. We
want to support some outreachy stuff, but do we actually have ideas
how to spend 5k? What events do we attend? Who will attend these
events?

Ultimately, we want Fedora to be a flat hierarchy. Decisions-making
should happen bottom-up and on the lowest possible level. Scenarios on
the other hand seem very top-down.

FAmSCo has been working hard to delegate as much responsibility down
to the regions. This process has been working well and inspired people
to participate. Therefor I suggest we first look at what they request,
make some adjustments and once we know how much we need for regional
support, we know how much is left for FADs and Outreachy.

Best regards,
Christoph

[Robert Mayr]

Il 25/apr/2016 04:14 PM, "Christoph Wickert"
<christoph.wickert(a)gmail.com&gt;
ha scritto:
>  Hi,
>
>  I'll be on a train in the middle of nowhere tonight, so I won't be
>  able to make it to the council meeting.
>
>  Regarding the budget: For me, fF/hDI scenario sounds best, but frankly
>  speaking I'm not happy with it either. It's not that I don't like the
>  scenario, but the overall process. It's hard to vote on abstract
>  scenarios without knowing what they actually mean for the people. We
>  want to support some outreachy stuff, but do we actually have ideas
>  how to spend 5k? What events do we attend? Who will attend these
>  events?
>
>  Ultimately, we want Fedora to be a flat hierarchy. Decisions-making
>  should happen bottom-up and on the lowest possible level. Scenarios on
>  the other hand seem very top-down.
>
>  FAmSCo has been working hard to delegate as much responsibility down
>  to the regions. This process has been working well and inspired people
>  to participate. Therefor I suggest we first look at what they request,
>  make some adjustments and once we know how much we need for regional
>  support, we know how much is left for FADs and Outreachy.
>
>  Best regards,
>  Christoph
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Apologies for my absence today, I've not even been able to send regrets in
time. It's holiday here and I returned back home really late, sorry.
Robert

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 04:14:03PM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>  I'll be on a train in the middle of nowhere tonight, so I
> won't be
>  able to make it to the council meeting. 
Christoph, I have you penciled in to do a (Google-hangouts-based)
update on FAmSCo next week. Do you want to do that, or should we
continue the budget conversation?

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 04:14:03PM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>  Regarding the budget: For me, fF/hDI scenario sounds best, but
> frankly
>  speaking I'm not happy with it either. It's not that I don't like the
>  scenario, but the overall process. It's hard to vote on abstract
>  scenarios without knowing what they actually mean for the people. We
>  want to support some outreachy stuff, but do we actually have ideas
>  how to spend 5k? What events do we attend? Who will attend these
>  events? 
This actually is a specific line item. One Outreachy intern costs 5k.

>  Ultimately, we want Fedora to be a flat hierarchy. Decisions-making
>  should happen bottom-up and on the lowest possible level. Scenarios on
>  the other hand seem very top-down. 
I want people doing work to be empowered, yes. However, we also need
spending to be focused on best impact, and it's hard to do that without
bringing the low-level decision-making together — which somewhat
inevitably makes it higher-level.


>  FAmSCo has been working hard to delegate as much responsibility down
>  to the regions. This process has been working well and inspired people
>  to participate. Therefor I suggest we first look at what they request,
>  make some adjustments and once we know how much we need for regional
>  support, we know how much is left for FADs and Outreachy. 
I agree that for the regional activities, we want responsibility at the
regional level. That's why I'd like to move the regional planning FAD
line items — and possibly FUDCons as well — to the regional budgets.
But your suggestion seems to have the basic assumption that regional
support is the most important spending. I don't think that's
necessarily true. There are things we can do globally or centrally
which are also worth funding and should't necessarily be determined by
where contributors happen to live.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader