On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 03:06:48PM +0000, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>But now, there's a shiny new OpenShift v3, rewritten in Go.
I'd like to
>talk about (and eventually if enough people think this is a good idea,
>officially propose) a 12-month (e.g, Fedora 24 and 25 cycle) initative
>to better our relationship with OpenShift, in order to put Fedora in a
>position of leadership in this important area of computing — and,
>thinking bigger, to advance the state of open source in this area by
How exactly do you come to the conclusion that Fedora shipping Red
Hat product somehow automatically becomes being in position of
leadership in the relevant computing area?
That's neither my conclusion _nor_ what I'm suggesting. So, I'm not
sure how to answer that.
I'm being serious so explain me in detail how it achieves that
compared to other distribution shipping the exact same set of
applications or why users of said products will be deploying it on
Fedora as opposed to RHEL/CentOS in their IT environment for
This is basically asking if Fedora has value at all to end users in IT
environments. I think, very strongly, that it does. It's not for every
case by any means, but as I noted in my original message in this
thread, it's a good match for innovators and early adopters.
But it's not _just_ the leading edge and test labs. Fedora is also
useful in any case where the deployment need is a good match for the
Fedora values — chiefly Features and First, but definitely Friends as
well. (And on OpenShift in specific, it's pure open source, and unlike
CloudFoundry isn't built around an "open core" — so, Freedom.)
Fedora as popular in these cases is seem borne out by our download
statistics for Fedora Server, as well as my anecdotal experience, both
personal as a former sysadmin and from the talking with people I do at
Additionally, Fedora as a project benefits when we have upstream
development close. We get the developer energy and access to
engineering for bugfixes, and we can offer the developers a
leading-edge platform to develop on and to test against. And having all
of this in Fedora benefits users, because Fedora provides an easy and
attractive integrated platform on which to try new stuff. That's why I
suggest user-developer communication channels in Fedora as a direct
part of the objective.
Once you have explained that to the wider audience to how come this
is not just being discussed in the relevant WG that might ship that
application stack or for that matter those actually driving the
initiative to misuse the community for early adoption of Red Hat
products now in the name of open shift form a WG themselves if said
application stack does not belong with any of the excising WG or for
that matter the existing ones dont want it as a part of their
I don't understand what you're saying at all in this paragraph.
Fedora Project Leader