[council] #69: Requesting budget approval for F24 and F25 Translation sprint participants

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 Fedora translation group has been remain long time consistent participant
 to making Fedora available to global audience in their local language.

 In flock 2016 G11N Workshop we had discussion about designing T-shirts for
 G11N group contributors. On the same line proposing to provide T-shirt for
 participants of vFAD participants of Feodra 24 and Fedora 25 sprint.

 List of participants of F24 and F25 -
 https://pravins.fedorapeople.org/F24-F25-translation-vFad-participants
 This is generated from
 * https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/fedora-24-translation-sprint
 * https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/fedora-25-translation-sprint

 Total number of contributors is: 86 (to be safer side good to produce 100
 numbers)

 Requested budget: 500 Euros (This is based on earlier developed T-Shirts
 in Brno)

 In cc, vFAD organizing team.

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Comment (by fale):

 I think this 5€/t-shirt is only for printing and not for shipping.
 Probably shipping costs should be added as well.
 Where the t-shirt will be printed? Where are the contributor mainly
 located? Will be possible to bulk ship some of those t-shirts?

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Comment (by lailah):

 Replying to [comment:1 fale]:
>  I think this 5€/t-shirt is only for printing and not for shipping.
 Probably shipping costs should be added as well.
>  Where the t-shirt will be printed? Where are the contributor mainly
 located? Will be possible to bulk ship some of those t-shirts?

 Yes, the price is for the t-shirts themselves, shipping it's not included.
 They will be printed in Czech Republic as they already did this before and
 seem to have good price & quality.
 In the list, we discussed about using meetings or FAD to distribute the
 shirts, so instead shipping to many places (each for contributor), it's
 possible to ship all or almost all shirts to a single place and then
 distribute them.
 I'm not sure if there's any main location to contributors. In example,
 Joan Azizaj and myself are in EMEA but there are contributors in Brazil
 and India as well.

 Hope this explanation helps.

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Comment (by bex):

 If this is approved quickly and the printing is done quickly, I may be
 able to take them to the FUDCons in LATAM and APAC in my luggage, if this
 is helpful.

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Comment (by lailah):

 Replying to [comment:3 bex]:
>  If this is approved quickly and the printing is done quickly, I may
> be 
 able to take them to the FUDCons in LATAM and APAC in my luggage, if this
 is helpful.

 That would be great. That would leave EMEA only to distribute.

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Comment (by pravins):

 That's good distribution strategy.
 If, approved. We will quickly run exercise of taking size and region
 mapping. I hope, we can discuss this ticket in 26th Sept council meeting
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Comment (by pravins):

 Hi Again,
   Can we consider this ticket for todays meeting discussion? :)

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Comment (by mattdm):

 We're still waiting for good budget info. Bex is working on that and
 promises it by the end of the month. However, he noted in the meeting
 today that this is in the "we definitely have enough" range.

 Let's vote in ticket here using the lazy consensus method — needs three +1
 votes and no -1s by next week's meeting.

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Comment (by bex):

 +1 and let me know if I can help make the production/shipping easier

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Comment (by jkurik):

 +1

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Comment (by lailah):

 +1

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Comment (by robyduck):

 I love shirts for contributors who dedicate constantly their time to do
 stuff. We had awesome shirts for the 10 years, but also for F19 (You
 helped to unpack Schroedinger's cat - and it is alive). In both cases we
 awarded them for people doing stuff constantly.

 I feel this is a bit too specific, it's just about a short event, and
 there are many people who participated just to get a badge for it, not for
 the sprint itself. Don't understand me wrong, but I would rather try to
 award a shirt to people who translate, let's say ''500-1000 strings''
or
 so. Even better if we could award nice shirts to people through all
 groups, not just L10n.

 ''0'' from my side.

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Comment (by pnemade):

 Replying to [comment:11 robyduck]:
>  I love shirts for contributors who dedicate constantly their time to
> do 
 stuff. We had awesome shirts for the 10 years, but also for F19 (You
 helped to unpack Schroedinger's cat - and it is alive). In both cases we
 awarded them for people doing stuff constantly.

 I want to know why only selected people has been given this 10 years of
 T-shirt. I have been contributing to Fedora since more than 10 years. My
 major contribution is in package reviewing which are thousands of package
 reviews. I want to ask here do you see package reviewing/sponsoring is a
 very least honoured work in Fedora. Why was I not qualified for that
 T-shirt?

 There are already a very rare chance for Fedora contributors to receive
 Fedora T-shirts. I am disappointed that you compared two different things
 with different goals.

 Also, if I am missing here any previous discussions on this 10 years of
 fedora T-shirts then please point me there.

>  I feel this is a bit too specific, it's just about a short event, and 
 there
are many people who participated just to get a badge for it, not for
 the sprint itself. Don't understand me wrong, but I would rather try to
 award a shirt to people who translate, let's say ''500-1000 strings''
or
 so. Even better if we could award nice shirts to people through all
 groups, not just L10n.
>  ''0'' from my side. 
 Thanks for your opinion which I will not deny based on the facts you have
 stated.

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Comment (by pravins):

 Replying to [comment:11 robyduck]:
>  I love shirts for contributors who dedicate constantly their time to
> do 
 stuff. We had awesome shirts for the 10 years, but also for F19 (You
 helped to unpack Schroedinger's cat - and it is alive). In both cases we
 awarded them for people doing stuff constantly.
>  I feel this is a bit too specific, it's just about a short event, and 
 there
are many people who participated just to get a badge for it, not for
 the sprint itself. Don't understand me wrong, but I would rather try to
 award a shirt to people who translate, let's say ''500-1000 strings''
or
 so. Even better if we could award nice shirts to people through all
 groups, not just L10n.
>  ''0'' from my side. 
 We can definitely add some better criteria for
awarding T-shirt.  Like we
 can run query on Zanata for members contributed 500+ string over the time.
 I think this number will be more than people participated in Translation
 sprint :)

 Translation group never got any specific Fedora goodies to promote
 activities they are doing. IMHO this is good chance to start something for
 Translation group.

 Considering budget perspective, i think lets start small and may be in
 next attempt (May be F28) we can have better criteria.

 If other members also feel to have better criteria like 500+ words
 contribution, we can definitely go for it.

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Comment (by robyduck):

 Replying to [comment:13 pravins]:
>  Replying to [comment:11 robyduck]:
>  > I love shirts for contributors who dedicate constantly their time to 
 do
stuff. We had awesome shirts for the 10 years, but also for F19 (You
 helped to unpack Schroedinger's cat - and it is alive). In both cases we
 awarded them for people doing stuff constantly.
>  >
>  > I feel this is a bit too specific, it's just about a short event, and 
there are many people who participated just to get a badge for it, not for
 the sprint itself. Don't understand me wrong, but I would rather try to
 award a shirt to people who translate, let's say ''500-1000 strings''
or
 so. Even better if we could award nice shirts to people through all
 groups, not just L10n.
>  >
>  > ''0'' from my side.
>  We can definitely add some better criteria for awarding T-shirt.  Like 
 we can run
query on Zanata for members contributed 500+ string over the
 time. I think this number will be more than people participated in
 Translation sprint :)
>  Translation group never got any specific Fedora goodies to promote 
 activities they
are doing. IMHO this is good chance to start something for
 Translation group.
>  Considering budget perspective, i think lets start small and may be in 
 next
attempt (May be F28) we can have better criteria.
>  If other members also feel to have better criteria like 500+ words 
 contribution,
we can definitely go for it.

 Yeah, that would be better, IMHO. My concern is to have people working
 hard on translations and don't reward them with a shirt, just because they
 missed the translation sprint.

 Replying to [comment:13 pnemade]:
>  Replying to robyduck:
>  > I love shirts for contributors who dedicate constantly their time to 
 do
stuff. We had awesome
>  > shirts for the 10 years, but also for F19 (You helped to unpack
 Schroedinger's cat - and it is
>  > alive). In both cases we awarded them for people doing stuff
 constantly.
>  I want to know why only selected people has been given this 10 years
> of 
 T-shirt. I have been
>  contributing to Fedora since more than 10 years. My major
> contribution 
 is in package reviewing
>  which are thousands of package reviews. I want to ask here do you see
 package
>  reviewing/sponsoring is a very least honoured work in Fedora. Why was
> I 
 not qualified for that T-shirt?
>  There are already a very rare chance for Fedora contributors to
> receive 
 Fedora T-shirts. I am
>  disappointed that you compared two different things with different
 goals.
>  Also, if I am missing here any previous discussions on this 10 years
> of 
 fedora T-shirts then
>  please point me there. 
 I think the goal is not different, it's the same, and rewarding
 contributors with a nice shirt is awesome. Let's just do it right and try
 to not miss anyone. Taking in consideration just a translation sprint
 which is also a thing for badge hunters, is probably not the right
 criteria. And yes, L10n folks are doing a lot of work and we should think
 about them!

 It's off topic, but here is the wiki page for the 10 years shirt, with its
 criteria. I know we probably missed some people, which is sad, but it was
 really hard for all to put together the list.

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_anniversary_tshirt

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Comment (by pravins):

 I agree with robyduck. In fact even i thought for same (500/1000+ string)
 but was just wondering for numbers/budget etc. Since sprint happened
 recently and we have numbers ready through badge owners. Found it low
 hanging fruit.

 Same time, in long term we have to make tradition of sprint for each
 Fedora release. I am thinking developing T-shirt for sprint participants
 can bring more participation in future. Also this time T-shirt plan for
 sprint participant is surprise (if happens).

 But your point is valid, many participants participated for badge as well
 but that is one of the intention behind badges ;)

 I have requested Alex to provide stats with participants over last one
 year with significant contribution. Waiting for his response here.

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Comment (by aeng):

 Statistics:
 from 2015-10-17 to 2016-10-18, translate more than 500 strings (not words)

 Count: 78

 Username:
 adallape
 aeng (I did alot of copy and merge translations.. lol)
 ajkunamujo
 anxh3l0
 augenauf
 aurisc4
 baurzhanm
 berrange
 besnik
 botreyking
 cialu
 costello
 danniel
 evillagr
 feonsu
 flavius
 fredlima
 goeran
 gyeben
 htaira
 hysenianxhela
 igorbounov
 jaaf64
 jcarbone
 jdobes
 jfenal
 jibecfed
 jirig
 jsonic
 kuylim
 laskov
 leahliu
 leftmostcat
 lkundrak
 lonemadmax
 lstemmle
 majag
 mareksu
 mariaandrada
 mariobl
 mbasti
 mchehab
 meskobalazs
 mosquito
 mtoh
 neffs
 nippur
 nirik
 ouesten
 peartown
 piotrdrag
 plautrba
 pnemade
 prescott66
 rbuj
 redandrei
 rhughes
 ricardopinto
 rzil
 samfreemanz
 sewerx
 sujiniku
 tchuang
 tiansworld
 tmraz
 tsmetana
 vanlos
 vmojzis
 vpodzime
 vtrefny
 warrink
 williamjmorenor
 wtaymans
 ypoyarko
 yurchor
 zdenek
 zerng07
 zoltanh721

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Comment (by aeng):

 Please note the my previous comment/statistics is based on contribution
 over 500 entries of translations, not words. (An entry can have many
 words).

 For stats based in contribution over 500 words:

 total count: 160

 aalam
 acastillogordon
 acerspyro
 adallape
 adelinacoco
 aeng
 aeperezt
 ajkunamujo
 aju
 akasurde
 alick
 anxh3l0
 asasaki
 augenauf
 aurisc4
 baurzhanm
 berrange
 besnik
 bex
 bigant
 bithat
 botreyking
 briancurt
 cialu
 cockpit
 costello
 croe
 damonh
 danniel
 delcsa
 denibegaj
 dennistobar
 devim
 eischmann
 ekoikhyar
 elioqoshi
 em3rson
 etc1
 eukim
 evillagr
 feonsu
 flavius
 fq224
 fredlima
 fujiwara
 fvalen
 gguerrer
 giallu
 gmh
 goeran
 guepi
 gyeben
 hpeters
 htaira
 hysenianxhela
 iarinov
 igorbounov
 jaaf64
 jandd
 jasna
 jcarbone
 jdobes
 jfenal
 jfilak
 jibecfed
 jirig
 joaopi
 jobava
 jsonic
 juranir
 kibou
 kmoriguc
 kostic
 kuylim
 laskov
 leahliu
 leftmostcat
 lkf
 lkundrak
 lonemadmax
 lovenemesis
 lstemmle
 luiscpmotta
 majag
 mansil
 mareksu
 mariaandrada
 mariobl
 mativi
 mbasti
 mchehab
 meskobalazs
 mfabian
 micra
 migueljorgesousa
 moharrum
 mooo
 mosquito
 mpdavid
 mribeirodantas
 mtoh
 nahareport
 naveej
 neffs
 nippur
 nirik
 nobrakal
 noriko
 orcakrilozona
 ouesten
 peartown
 piotrdrag
 plautrba
 pnemade
 potty
 pravins
 prescott66
 rbuj
 redandrei
 renault
 rhughes
 ricardopinto
 ronignc
 ruigo
 rzil
 saibot
 samfreemanz
 seb75
 sewerx
 shnurapet
 snowlet
 sujiniku
 tatica
 tchuang
 teuf
 th3lolipop
 thewanderer
 tiansworld
 tmraz
 tobiasweise
 tonghuix
 tosky
 tsmetana
 vanlos
 veon
 vmojzis
 vpodzime
 vtrefny
 warrink
 weird
 williamjmorenor
 wtaymans
 x3mboy
 xmrbrz
 ypoyarko
 yurchor
 zdenek
 zerng07
 zoltanh721
 zpmqvkao

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Comment (by robyduck):

 Thank you Alex for this great work. I guess with 500 words (160 people) we
 are over budget, so probably strings would be better.

 For the record, and lazy consensus, I'm +1 with this criteria, also if we
 want to change the criteria a bit to have near 100 people to reward,
 because we really will not miss anyone ;)

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Changes (by mattdm):

 * status:  new => closed
 * resolution:   => approved


Comment:

 With three +1s, from bex, jkurik, and robyduck, this is approved. (lailah
 gave an advisory +1 but is not a council member)

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Comment (by jibecfed):

 Idea is great. The way to measure is better with word than strings, but to
 limit the number of people it is a quick and acceptable way to do.

 Are we sure we have good language representation? Some little team in
 asian/indian/eastern europe/arabic/african languages? If we have tiny
 languages in the 500 words rules, can we add a few to support them?

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Comment (by pravins):

 Good Point Jibecfed. Lets discuss these few things in meeting and finalize
 the stuff.

 Thanks council for approval.

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Comment (by aeng):

 @jibecfed, not sure if I understand you correctly, but the statistics is
 based on individuals contribution, not on language. So it does not matter
 even if its tiny language team.

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