fudcon bid process

[Matthew Miller]

Fedora is full of FPL responsibilities documented in scattered
locations all over the project wiki waiting to surprise me. Not that
there's any problem with responsibilities, just that I don't want to
let anything drop on the floor because I overlooked it. Sirko from the
Ambassadors noted that one of the things where lack of FPL action can
block the community is the FUDCon bid process — see
<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process>;. I see that this
also refers to some outdated things like the "CommArch manager", which
is confusing because CommArch isn't even a thing anymore.

This is a great example of one of the reasons we created the Council in
the first place, and I'd like to suggest that we update this page to
replace FPL with the Council, and specifically make this a
responsibility of the Community Action and Impact Coordinator.

I don't know the exact the right mix between putting this entirely on
that person (shoving Remy under the bus?) and making it a
collective/shared Council responsibility; thoughts on that? The part in
the end about "decision process" is also somewhat unclear — I'm pretty
sure I know what it means to say, but it's left as assumed that we know
who that means... maybe we can clear that up, especially with the basic
plan of having the Council have more responsibility for the budget.


(Overall, the basic process looks solid, and the 2010 goals still seem
correct.)



-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 10:51 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  (Overall, the basic process looks solid, and the 2010 goals still
> seem
>  correct.) 
If the FUDCon process is under review, could the FAD process be looked
at too? It also mentions that the FPL needs to approve a FAD and so on. 

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_organize_a_FAD

The FUDCon process is a lot better documented - it has a suggested
timeline and so on. The FAD page has none of this and has lead to some
confusion in the past. 
-- 
Thanks,
Regards,
Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

[Truong Anh Tuan]

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
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>  Subject: fudcon bid process 
>  Fedora is full of FPL responsibilities documented in scattered
>  locations all over the project wiki waiting to surprise me. Not that
>  there's any problem with responsibilities, just that I don't want to
>  let anything drop on the floor because I overlooked it. Sirko from the
>  Ambassadors noted that one of the things where lack of FPL action can
>  block the community is the FUDCon bid process — see
>  <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process>;. I see that this
>  also refers to some outdated things like the "CommArch manager", which
>  is confusing because CommArch isn't even a thing anymore. 
Hi Matthew et all,

You may be right! :)

That's why I have tried to hunt you many times to remind you take a look
at APAC FUDCon 2015 bids and make the final decision (after regional
community and FAmSCo did review them)
That's also the same reason why I tried to push Robyn for FUDCon APAC 2014
although, in fact, it was approved less than 3 months before start date.
That may be one of the reasons why FUDCon APAC 2013 could not happen (no
one had been willing to step up to push all others for it)

>  This is a great example of one of the reasons we created the Council
> in
>  the first place, and I'd like to suggest that we update this page to
>  replace FPL with the Council, and specifically make this a
>  responsibility of the Community Action and Impact Coordinator. 
So, you are absolutely right. We need someone to take this responsibity.

>  I don't know the exact the right mix between putting this
> entirely on
>  that person (shoving Remy under the bus?) and making it a
>  collective/shared Council responsibility; thoughts on that? The part in
>  the end about "decision process" is also somewhat unclear — I'm pretty
>  sure I know what it means to say, but it's left as assumed that we know
>  who that means... maybe we can clear that up, especially with the basic
>  plan of having the Council have more responsibility for the budget. 
He/she/they could be you (as now), or CAIC or Council, but I personally
prefer that could be a team to avoid the single of failure situation.
Also, how about the upcoming FOSCO? Can they play a role here?

Rgds,
Tuan

[Alejandro Perez]

Matthew,

The is a running FudCon Plans for Latams where we had only one bid from
Cordova Argentina and not remember if Famsco review it, but since it is
only one bid, there is not much to do. Argentina team is working to get
this done. While we know FudcCon do not have the relevance as it did
before it is important to the regions, until there is one global event.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki/FUDCon_Cordoba_2015

El mié, 11-03-2015 a las 22:07 +0700, Truong Anh. Tuan escribió:
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  > To: "Discussions with the Fedora Council and community"
> <council-discuss(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:51:38 PM
>  > Subject: fudcon bid process
>  
>  > Fedora is full of FPL responsibilities documented in scattered
>  > locations all over the project wiki waiting to surprise me. Not that
>  > there's any problem with responsibilities, just that I don't want to
>  > let anything drop on the floor because I overlooked it. Sirko from the
>  > Ambassadors noted that one of the things where lack of FPL action can
>  > block the community is the FUDCon bid process — see
>  > <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process>;. I see that this
>  > also refers to some outdated things like the "CommArch manager", which
>  > is confusing because CommArch isn't even a thing anymore.
>  
>  Hi Matthew et all,
>  
>  You may be right! :)
>  
>  That's why I have tried to hunt you many times to remind you take a look
>  at APAC FUDCon 2015 bids and make the final decision (after regional
>  community and FAmSCo did review them)
>  That's also the same reason why I tried to push Robyn for FUDCon APAC 2014
>  although, in fact, it was approved less than 3 months before start date.
>  That may be one of the reasons why FUDCon APAC 2013 could not happen (no
>  one had been willing to step up to push all others for it)
>  
>  > This is a great example of one of the reasons we created the Council in
>  > the first place, and I'd like to suggest that we update this page to
>  > replace FPL with the Council, and specifically make this a
>  > responsibility of the Community Action and Impact Coordinator.
>  
>  So, you are absolutely right. We need someone to take this responsibity.
>  
>  > I don't know the exact the right mix between putting this entirely on
>  > that person (shoving Remy under the bus?) and making it a
>  > collective/shared Council responsibility; thoughts on that? The part in
>  > the end about "decision process" is also somewhat unclear — I'm
> pretty
>  > sure I know what it means to say, but it's left as assumed that we know
>  > who that means... maybe we can clear that up, especially with the basic
>  > plan of having the Council have more responsibility for the budget.
>  
>  He/she/they could be you (as now), or CAIC or Council, but I personally
>  prefer that could be a team to avoid the single of failure situation.
>  Also, how about the upcoming FOSCO? Can they play a role here?
>  
>  Rgds,
>  Tuan
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[Josh Boyer]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Fedora is full of FPL responsibilities documented in scattered
>  locations all over the project wiki waiting to surprise me. Not that
>  there's any problem with responsibilities, just that I don't want to
>  let anything drop on the floor because I overlooked it. Sirko from the
>  Ambassadors noted that one of the things where lack of FPL action can
>  block the community is the FUDCon bid process -- see
>  <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process>;. I see that this
>  also refers to some outdated things like the "CommArch manager", which
>  is confusing because CommArch isn't even a thing anymore.
>
>  This is a great example of one of the reasons we created the Council in
>  the first place, and I'd like to suggest that we update this page to
>  replace FPL with the Council, and specifically make this a
>  responsibility of the Community Action and Impact Coordinator.
>
>  I don't know the exact the right mix between putting this entirely on
>  that person (shoving Remy under the bus?) and making it a
>  collective/shared Council responsibility; thoughts on that? The part in
>  the end about "decision process" is also somewhat unclear -- I'm pretty
>  sure I know what it means to say, but it's left as assumed that we know
>  who that means... maybe we can clear that up, especially with the basic
>  plan of having the Council have more responsibility for the budget.
>
>
>  (Overall, the basic process looks solid, and the 2010 goals still seem
>  correct.) 
I think we probably need to reconcile this a bit with the fact that
FUDCons are regional events for APAC and LATAM and Flock has replaced
FUDCons for EMEA and NA.  The bid processes[1] are fairly close so
perhaps we could consolidate things and clarify at the same time.  At
the very least, the pages should refer to each other in some manner.

josh

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_bid_process

[Haïkel]

2015-03-11 15:51 GMT+01:00 Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Fedora is full of FPL responsibilities documented in scattered
>  locations all over the project wiki waiting to surprise me. Not that
>  there's any problem with responsibilities, just that I don't want to
>  let anything drop on the floor because I overlooked it. Sirko from the
>  Ambassadors noted that one of the things where lack of FPL action can
>  block the community is the FUDCon bid process — see
>  <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process>;. I see that this
>  also refers to some outdated things like the "CommArch manager", which
>  is confusing because CommArch isn't even a thing anymore.
>
>  This is a great example of one of the reasons we created the Council in
>  the first place, and I'd like to suggest that we update this page to
>  replace FPL with the Council, and specifically make this a
>  responsibility of the Community Action and Impact Coordinator.
>  
I would simply make s/FPL/Council/ to avoid SPOF.
Off course, by default the FCAI will be the one who oversees the
process on the behalf
on the council. But the council could delegate that task to someone else.


>  I don't know the exact the right mix between putting this
> entirely on
>  that person (shoving Remy under the bus?) and making it a
>  collective/shared Council responsibility; thoughts on that? The part in
>  the end about "decision process" is also somewhat unclear — I'm pretty
>  sure I know what it means to say, but it's left as assumed that we know
>  who that means... maybe we can clear that up, especially with the basic
>  plan of having the Council have more responsibility for the budget.
>  
The council should be jointly responsible for all the actions of its members.
Members are designated in order that we could fully trust them to take
appropriate actions and discuss important topics with the council when required.

I'd rather have the council as a self-organized team than a structure
with strictly defined roles.
That's the best way to ensure that there will be less failures and
make the better use of everyone.

H.

>  (Overall, the basic process looks solid, and the 2010 goals still seem
>  correct.)
>
>
>
>  --
>  Matthew Miller
>  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Fedora Project Leader
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