At various times this year, people have written things that appeared on Planet Fedora and other people had no right of reply because their blogs were never included there or blogs had been actively censored.
Given the latest discussions taking place about what potentially amounts to censorship, I feel it is critical that anybody with a view is able to use all communication channels, including Planet Fedora, to draw attention to whatever concerns they have.
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:43 PM Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
At various times this year, people have written things that appeared on Planet Fedora and other people had no right of reply because their blogs were never included there or blogs had been actively censored.
Given the latest discussions taking place about what potentially amounts to censorship, I feel it is critical that anybody with a view is able to use all communication channels, including Planet Fedora, to draw attention to whatever concerns they have.
Since we're offering opinions, I'll offer mine as well.
I feel the opposite and find blog posts unrelated to Fedora appearing on Planet Fedora to be a distraction. I also feel that this isn't censorship as there is no inherent right to post whatever people want on Fedora run services.
josh
On 21/09/2020 21:08, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:43 PM Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
At various times this year, people have written things that appeared on Planet Fedora and other people had no right of reply because their blogs were never included there or blogs had been actively censored.
Given the latest discussions taking place about what potentially amounts to censorship, I feel it is critical that anybody with a view is able to use all communication channels, including Planet Fedora, to draw attention to whatever concerns they have.
Since we're offering opinions, I'll offer mine as well.
I feel the opposite and find blog posts unrelated to Fedora appearing on Planet Fedora to be a distraction. I also feel that this isn't censorship as there is no inherent right to post whatever people want on Fedora run services.
Nonetheless, if somebody does in fact post a distraction, why shouldn't people impacted by the distraction have a right-of-reply, in your terms, posting a counter-distraction?
Hi Daniel,
At various times this year, people have written things that appeared on
Planet Fedora and other people had no right of reply because their blogs were never included there or blogs had been actively censored.
Cases should be reviewed separately and individually, but I think, until the proposed policy about content is approved, the Planet guidelines[1] are quite clear
Given the latest discussions taking place about what potentially amounts to censorship, I feel it is critical that anybody with a view is able to use all communication channels, including Planet Fedora, to draw attention to whatever concerns they have.
Since we're offering opinions, I'll offer mine as well.
I feel the opposite and find blog posts unrelated to Fedora appearing on Planet Fedora to be a distraction. I also feel that this isn't censorship as there is no inherent right to post whatever people want on Fedora run services.
Nonetheless, if somebody does in fact post a distraction, why shouldn't people impacted by the distraction have a right-of-reply, in your terms, posting a counter-distraction? _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedorapr...
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El lun., 21 sept. 2020 a las 16:43, Eduard Lucena (eduardlucena@gmail.com) escribió:
Hi Daniel,
At various times this year, people have written things that appeared on
Planet Fedora and other people had no right of reply because their
blogs
were never included there or blogs had been actively censored.
Cases should be reviewed separately and individually, but I think, until
the proposed policy about content is approved, the Planet guidelines[1] are quite clear
The link is at the end [1].
Given the latest discussions taking place about what potentially
amounts
to censorship, I feel it is critical that anybody with a view is able
to
use all communication channels, including Planet Fedora, to draw attention to whatever concerns they have.
I wonder what discussion to censor what you are talking about. We are discussing a content policy, that makes too much sense since the publishing platforms are decentralized, with a lot of platforms being contributor-driven.
Since we're offering opinions, I'll offer mine as well.
I feel the opposite and find blog posts unrelated to Fedora appearing on Planet Fedora to be a distraction. I also feel that this isn't censorship as there is no inherent right to post whatever people want on Fedora run services.
Nonetheless, if somebody does in fact post a distraction, why shouldn't people impacted by the distraction have a right-of-reply, in your terms, posting a counter-distraction?
Off-topic is allowed in the current guidelines, so this discussion about "distracting content" doesn't make sense.
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Daniel, I know there has been some struggle from your part with the Planet, but we try to work in the best interest of the project and with good intention toward people. As we used to state, Fedora is about the Community, the people, not about the distro.
Please, feel free to open a CoC ticket about your blog's disappearance from the planet if you still feel it wasn't fair, that is why you write this with too much passion (I understand your reasons, but I can't agree with your grievance every single time a topic about content rises up).
Br,
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet#Appropriate_Material
On 21/09/2020 23:02, Eduard Lucena wrote:
Off-topic is allowed in the current guidelines, so this discussion about "distracting content" doesn't make sense.
Some people prefer to read curated content. They are entitled to that opinion.
I used to live in Paris, I would go to museums and galleries to see artworks that had been curated by people who know much more about artworks than I do. But many people in Paris do not visit le Musée du Louvre every day: they look at cat pictures on social media instead, like people in every other city. That is a choice between professionally curated artworks and algorithmically curated cat pictures.
I have no objection to curated Planet sites, I simply believe that it is important to label the site as curated so everybody who looks at it knows that they only see an official selection of content. I feel the community is deceived if they are looking at a Planet site or mailing list and certain views have been hidden.
To have a diverse community and to foster innovation, I feel it is important to have spaces, like Planet, which are not curated while also making it easy for people to switch to a curated view if they prefer that.
Regards,
Daniel
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 3:27 PM Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
On 21/09/2020 21:08, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:43 PM Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
At various times this year, people have written things that appeared on Planet Fedora and other people had no right of reply because their blogs were never included there or blogs had been actively censored.
Given the latest discussions taking place about what potentially amounts to censorship, I feel it is critical that anybody with a view is able to use all communication channels, including Planet Fedora, to draw attention to whatever concerns they have.
Since we're offering opinions, I'll offer mine as well.
I feel the opposite and find blog posts unrelated to Fedora appearing on Planet Fedora to be a distraction. I also feel that this isn't censorship as there is no inherent right to post whatever people want on Fedora run services.
Nonetheless, if somebody does in fact post a distraction, why shouldn't people impacted by the distraction have a right-of-reply, in your terms, posting a counter-distraction?
This is a good question. I would do 2 things.
1) Offer the ability for people to make take-down requests, removing the specific post from the aggregator. 2) If 1 got too large then just remove the aggregator entirely and replace it with vetted and curated blog posts driven through the a dedicated Fedora SIG focused on reviewing the content.
josh
1) Offer the ability for people to make take-down requests, removing the specific post from the aggregator.
If anyone is uncomfortable with a post on the planet, feel free to open a ticket here: https://pagure.io/CoC/new_issue or message me or Matthew Miller privately.
2) If 1 got too large then just remove the aggregator entirely and replace it with vetted and curated blog posts driven through the a dedicated Fedora SIG focused on reviewing the content.
Luckily we have the Community Blog already in place if this were to happen :)
Given the latest discussions taking place about what potentially amounts to censorship, I feel it is critical that anybody with a view is able to use all communication channels, including Planet Fedora, to draw attention to whatever concerns they have.
To me it is unclear what this thread is working towards. If you have specific concerns please bring them forward with an idea on how to solve them and let's see if we can make an improvement! If they are of a private nature, feel free to message me/Matthew or open a ticket here: https://pagure.io/CoC/new_issue.
Thanks!
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On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 3:55 PM Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 3:27 PM Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
On 21/09/2020 21:08, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:43 PM Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro
wrote:
At various times this year, people have written things that appeared
on
Planet Fedora and other people had no right of reply because their
blogs
were never included there or blogs had been actively censored.
Given the latest discussions taking place about what potentially
amounts
to censorship, I feel it is critical that anybody with a view is able
to
use all communication channels, including Planet Fedora, to draw attention to whatever concerns they have.
Since we're offering opinions, I'll offer mine as well.
I feel the opposite and find blog posts unrelated to Fedora appearing on Planet Fedora to be a distraction. I also feel that this isn't censorship as there is no inherent right to post whatever people want on Fedora run services.
Nonetheless, if somebody does in fact post a distraction, why shouldn't people impacted by the distraction have a right-of-reply, in your terms, posting a counter-distraction?
This is a good question. I would do 2 things.
- Offer the ability for people to make take-down requests, removing
the specific post from the aggregator. 2) If 1 got too large then just remove the aggregator entirely and replace it with vetted and curated blog posts driven through the a dedicated Fedora SIG focused on reviewing the content.
josh _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedorapr...
On 21/09/2020 21:54, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 3:27 PM Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
On 21/09/2020 21:08, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:43 PM Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
At various times this year, people have written things that appeared on Planet Fedora and other people had no right of reply because their blogs were never included there or blogs had been actively censored.
Given the latest discussions taking place about what potentially amounts to censorship, I feel it is critical that anybody with a view is able to use all communication channels, including Planet Fedora, to draw attention to whatever concerns they have.
Since we're offering opinions, I'll offer mine as well.
I feel the opposite and find blog posts unrelated to Fedora appearing on Planet Fedora to be a distraction. I also feel that this isn't censorship as there is no inherent right to post whatever people want on Fedora run services.
Nonetheless, if somebody does in fact post a distraction, why shouldn't people impacted by the distraction have a right-of-reply, in your terms, posting a counter-distraction?
This is a good question. I would do 2 things.
- Offer the ability for people to make take-down requests, removing
the specific post from the aggregator. 2) If 1 got too large then just remove the aggregator entirely and replace it with vetted and curated blog posts driven through the a dedicated Fedora SIG focused on reviewing the content.
Fedora is full of smart people with smart ideas
For example, did you know somebody registered fedora.community back in 2015? They deserve a medal.
Your idea is equally smart:
- an uncurated planet
- a curated newsletter (or alternative planet)
Each person can then choose which one they subscribe to. Before the web, most organizations, from football clubs to student unions only had the latter, a curated newsletter.
The funny thing is, this split already started to happen with uncensored.some-other.community vs planet.some-other.org
I'm glad we are in agreement. If nobody else volunteers, I'd volunteer to work on the curated.fedora.community site.
Regards,
Daniel
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 4:08 PM Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
On 21/09/2020 21:54, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 3:27 PM Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
On 21/09/2020 21:08, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:43 PM Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
At various times this year, people have written things that appeared on Planet Fedora and other people had no right of reply because their blogs were never included there or blogs had been actively censored.
Given the latest discussions taking place about what potentially amounts to censorship, I feel it is critical that anybody with a view is able to use all communication channels, including Planet Fedora, to draw attention to whatever concerns they have.
Since we're offering opinions, I'll offer mine as well.
I feel the opposite and find blog posts unrelated to Fedora appearing on Planet Fedora to be a distraction. I also feel that this isn't censorship as there is no inherent right to post whatever people want on Fedora run services.
Nonetheless, if somebody does in fact post a distraction, why shouldn't people impacted by the distraction have a right-of-reply, in your terms, posting a counter-distraction?
This is a good question. I would do 2 things.
- Offer the ability for people to make take-down requests, removing
the specific post from the aggregator. 2) If 1 got too large then just remove the aggregator entirely and replace it with vetted and curated blog posts driven through the a dedicated Fedora SIG focused on reviewing the content.
Fedora is full of smart people with smart ideas
For example, did you know somebody registered fedora.community back in 2015? They deserve a medal.
Your idea is equally smart:
an uncurated planet
a curated newsletter (or alternative planet)
That would be your idea. I would not advocate for an uncurated planet.
Each person can then choose which one they subscribe to. Before the web, most organizations, from football clubs to student unions only had the latter, a curated newsletter.
The funny thing is, this split already started to happen with uncensored.some-other.community vs planet.some-other.org
I'm glad we are in agreement. If nobody else volunteers, I'd volunteer to work on the curated.fedora.community site.
We aren't in agreement, but it is good to know you are willing to volunteer.
josh
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