On Apr 15, 2016 12:05, "Mark Terranova" <doctorfoss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Glad to see more TOSW applied. /me still has concern we are aiming for
stasis,
rather than growth. What about new contribs? They are joining and
it seems to me that they will concern local folks- there is only so much
money to go around. New contribs = less money for people's existing events.
We are using old flawed budget process to make our new process.... the same
numbers? Methinks that's folly. Acting like there were no flaws makes the
new process dubious (unless growth is included.)
As a Fedoran I'm starting to worry that CentOS is Daddy Shadowman's *new
toy* (as some FOSSers have predicted) and we are being placated.
https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-reports-third-quar...
I see plenty of growth for RH, we make a good product/test bed. I can see
how Cent can help, tho have concerns it's WHERE the new growth is planned.
WHERE is Fedora's growth? When has that been planned?
I salute the efforts here, but can see the Voice thing to help encourage
more
funding might be needed or its
"Meet the new process (money), same as the old money,"
-MD
The "same-as" numbers were already in our stars for this year, because we
are actually seeing the results of the "same-as" process that we've always
had. The new process officially started Q1FY17. If we wanted to make the
case for growth in this cycle, that is something that needed to happen by
the end of Q3FY16.
Shaking the magic-budget-8ball (my experience from this past year
suggests), if we don't have proper reports from FY16 (last year,) the 2
full quarters of FY17 that we're going to (in theory) properly report by
Q3FY17 in August will *not* be enough data on their own from which to
reasonably make the case for growing the Fedora budget for FY18. We need at
least a full cycle of data (which we can deliver with FY16 data included.)
I cannot promise that if we report all the spending, and all the events
until Q3FY17 thoroughly and on time that that will guarantee we get an
increase in FY18, but it does ensure that the budget process itself cannot
be faulted as a reason for not growing.
And remember, even if we do it right, and establish these new good habits,
it could still take more than one cycle to grow the budget. Budget cycles
are slow-moving, annual cycles, in stark contrast to our fast-paced world
of 6ish month (sometimes 2week or continuous) release cycles.
No one here, in the council, or OSAS, or Red Hat is mustache-twisting and
plotting ways we can exploit, and/or burn out the community faster.
Everyone here wants to grow--the budget, our Rel-eng capabilities, and our
user and contributor bases. Promise.
I know what is going to take, and it's not simply saying "by virtue of
having more money, you can afford to give us a larger piece of it."
There is a difference between advocating for a region (talk) and delivering
the data from that region that can actually change our situation (action.)
Everyone in the project can contribute in ways that justify growth--this is
THE way that Ambassadors can help us grow the budget.
Numbers and metrics aren't just an "on paper" requirement, just some
arbitrary hoop to jump through because of some asinine corporate ritual.
They actually and substantially help us make more effective decisions, and
increase (or at the very least approximate or measure) our impact per
dollar spent.
That is how we make predictions, and show results.
That is how we test theories, and fail faster.
That is how we adjust strategy, and show how and why we grow.
Please, help me deliver these numbers.
Please, help me help Fedora.
--RemyD
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Remy DeCausemaker
<decause(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2016 20:12, "Josh Boyer" <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 7:43 PM, Remy DeCausemaker <decause(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> > > Councils,
> > >
> > > Attached is a text file (and spreadsheet) with the scenarios we
discussed
> > > during our meeting.
> >
> > I'm going to guess D&I in the text file is Diversity and Inclusion?
> > It isn't spelled out anywhere so I'd just like to clarify.
>
> Yes, that is correct. Diversity and inclusion.
>
> >
> > > tl;dr - "Best Case Scenario" (lowest amount of Council/Events
Budget) it's a
> > > roughly 23% cut in budget for each region (except for
APAC, but more
on that
> > > later)
> > >
> > > If you'd like to edit/adjust/append any info to these documents,
they can be
> > > found in the fedora-budget repo in
FY17/adjustedannualbudget/council:
> > >
> > >
https://pagure.io/fedora-budget
> > >
> > > Thanks mattdm for helping to hunt down this info, and I'll add more
> > > historical information as it comes from Ambassadors.
> >
> > I would really really like to see actual numbers from FY16 from all
> > the regions before we really commit to any percentages based on
> > historical context. If we cannot get accurate reporting, we cannot do
> > accurate planning.
>
> Gee whiz, me too! I've only been asking for the tallied reports for a
month
now via IRC, mailing list, telegram, ticket, and word of
mouth--pretty much everything but carrier pigeon. The only fully reported
region is EMEA, and even then I still need them to select their storyteller
delegate. We have some reports from the other regions, but they are
incomplete, and supposedly in the process being updated. I'll update the
budget site, and repo, and council, as I get more information.
>
> Looking Forward,
> --RemyD.
>
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