11:09 a.m.
Hi all,
We are planning to run a FAD in the Chinese community to promote
Fedora packaging.
We have the idea for quite some time, yet recently decided the time &
location and made
a rough budget. The relevant info is on the wiki page [1]. Please
review and let us know
whether it is time to create a ticket on the council trac. Thanks.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_FAD_China_2015
Regards,
Alick
5:20 a.m.
Any comments?
2015-05-15 0:09 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com>:
Hi all,
We are planning to run a FAD in the Chinese community to promote
Fedora packaging.
We have the idea for quite some time, yet recently decided the time &
location and made
a rough budget. The relevant info is on the wiki page [1]. Please
review and let us know
whether it is time to create a ticket on the council trac. Thanks.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_FAD_China_2015
Regards,
Alick
4:55 p.m.
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 06:20:27PM +0800, Alick Zhao wrote:
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_FAD_China_2015
Any comments?
Hi Alick! Can you expand on the impact section a little bit? How many
new contributors and packagers do we expect as a direct result of this
FAD?
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
10:50 p.m.
On 05/18/2015 05:55 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 06:20:27PM +0800, Alick Zhao wrote:
>> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_FAD_China_2015
> Any comments?
Hi Alick! Can you expand on the impact section a little bit? How many
new contributors and packagers do we expect as a direct result of this
FAD?
It is a bit hard to predict, especially since we have few experiences
of doing Fedora events in Shanghai, and no prior experience of FAD in China
focusing on packaging. For now I'd say I expect three more new packaging
contributors and ten more packages in the repo. Not sure if it is a
good estimate though.
I have reflected my guess on the wiki page.
Regards,
--
Alick
Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) user
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
2:31 p.m.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:50:11AM +0800, Alick Zhao wrote:
It is a bit hard to predict, especially since we have few
experiences
of doing Fedora events in Shanghai, and no prior experience of FAD in China
focusing on packaging. For now I'd say I expect three more new packaging
contributors and ten more packages in the repo. Not sure if it is a
good estimate though.
On the one hand, that's not huge, but on the other hand, growing
new long-term contributors and community members is hard to put a price
on and your total requested budget is not huge. How about we add
a third impact, like "gain experience for future Fedora events in
China", and make this a testbed -- learn how it went, if we can have an
even bigger impact next time, and so on?
Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
Would you be able to write a Fedora Magazine article about the Fedora
community in Shanghai as a followup to the FAD?
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
2:43 p.m.
On 05/19/2015 03:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:50:11AM +0800, Alick Zhao wrote:
> It is a bit hard to predict, especially since we have few experiences
> of doing Fedora events in Shanghai, and no prior experience of FAD in China
> focusing on packaging. For now I'd say I expect three more new packaging
> contributors and ten more packages in the repo. Not sure if it is a
> good estimate though.
On the one hand, that's not huge, but on the other hand, growing
new long-term contributors and community members is hard to put a price
on and your total requested budget is not huge. How about we add
a third impact, like "gain experience for future Fedora events in
China", and make this a testbed -- learn how it went, if we can have an
even bigger impact next time, and so on?
Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
Not a council member, but it would be good to ensure there are existing
packagers (possibly even sponsors) present for this.
~tom
==
Red Hat
2:52 p.m.
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 03:43:46PM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote:
> Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
Not a council member,
Thanks -- didn't mean that to be exclusive.
but it would be good to ensure there are existing
packagers (possibly even sponsors) present for this.
Of the of the people listed as going on the FAD page, at least Robin
Lee has these packages:
<https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packager/cheeselee/>;.
Having a sponsor on hand does seem like it'd increase success.
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
3:03 p.m.
On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:52 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 03:43:46PM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote:
> > Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
> Not a council member,
Thanks -- didn't mean that to be exclusive.
> but it would be good to ensure there are existing
> packagers (possibly even sponsors) present for this.
Of the of the people listed as going on the FAD page, at least Robin
Lee has these packages:
<https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packager/cheeselee/>;.
Having a sponsor on hand does seem like it'd increase success.
I think Tom makes an excellent point. Without at least one sponsor or
at least provenpackager involved, I'm not sure this is going to be a
positive experience for the participants. If people go to this event
and cannot actually get their pet package added to Fedora as a result
of participating, then they're going to be soured on the process.
Now, an obvious follow-up question is whether we think there would be a
sufficient return on investment to send one of the sponsors to this FAD
(and whether to expend time and effort locating someone willing to go).
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/members/packager/*/spons
or is a list of the current sponsors, and of course we could email the sponsors list
looking for volunteers (preferably
locally).
1:40 a.m.
On 05/20/2015 04:03 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:52 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 03:43:46PM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote:
>>> Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
>> Not a council member,
>
> Thanks -- didn't mean that to be exclusive.
>
>
>> but it would be good to ensure there are existing
>> packagers (possibly even sponsors) present for this.
>
> Of the of the people listed as going on the FAD page, at least Robin
> Lee has these packages:
> <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packager/cheeselee/>;.
>
> Having a sponsor on hand does seem like it'd increase success.
>
Yeah, Robin Lee recently confirmed he should be able to join.
In fact the original idea of this FAD is to bring together all active
Fedora packagers in China and grow the packaging group.
I think Tom makes an excellent point. Without at least one sponsor or
at least provenpackager involved, I'm not sure this is going to be a
positive experience for the participants. If people go to this event
and cannot actually get their pet package added to Fedora as a result
of participating, then they're going to be soured on the process.
Now, an obvious follow-up question is whether we think there would be a
sufficient return on investment to send one of the sponsors to this FAD
(and whether to expend time and effort locating someone willing to go).
About the suitable people, we locate them in previous events (release
parties, FADs, and FUDCon). Then this time we invite them to join the
event and help to make it run as planned.
About the investment return, I feel I cannot say much. It will always
be an issue with the cost to bring together the suitable people, since
the country is large and the contributor base is relatively small and
they spread across the country. We cannot help much with the fact,
but we try to bring down the cost a little bit. For example, this time
through cooperation with Shanghai LUG, the venue is free of charge to us.
We also make swags reusable during multiple events.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/members/packager/*/spons
or is a list of the current sponsors, and of course we could email the sponsors list
looking for volunteers (preferably
locally).
Regards,
--
Alick
Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) user
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
6:22 a.m.
Hi all,
We decided to put off the event since there was limited time
for council discussion and event preparation. So please share
further comments if you have.
Regards,
--
Alick
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
1:22 a.m.
On 05/20/2015 03:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:50:11AM +0800, Alick Zhao wrote:
> It is a bit hard to predict, especially since we have few experiences
> of doing Fedora events in Shanghai, and no prior experience of FAD in China
> focusing on packaging. For now I'd say I expect three more new packaging
> contributors and ten more packages in the repo. Not sure if it is a
> good estimate though.
On the one hand, that's not huge, but on the other hand, growing
new long-term contributors and community members is hard to put a price
on and your total requested budget is not huge. How about we add
a third impact, like "gain experience for future Fedora events in
China", and make this a testbed -- learn how it went, if we can have an
even bigger impact next time, and so on?
Yeah, That is a good idea! Will add it to the wiki soon.
Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
Would you be able to write a Fedora Magazine article about the Fedora
community in Shanghai as a followup to the FAD?
Should be no problem. We ambassadors need to write an event report to get
reimbursed, and putting it on Fedora Magazine increases its visibility.
Regards,
--
Alick
Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) user
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick
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