Seeking a mediator

[Michael Schwendt]

Hello!

Is there anyone, who could help with the following dispute?

In particular, I think a reaction/comment from FAS user 'raveit65' is
inappriopriate and ought to be much more friendly/respectful in the future.
I've asked for an apology, but it has been denied.

More than a year ago there has been this bug report:

  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1074145

I've been involved both in that ticket with several comments and explanations
and have talked also to upstream as a packager.

Recently there has been a new bug report about exactly the same issue, which
prompted 'raveit65' to make false claims and use a choice of words I cannot
tolerate:

  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1226471

Quote:

  | This is a packager bug of audacious maintainer.
  | He ignores to apply a simple fix during package build.
  | Maybe you report force him to patch out nonsense unbuntu settings for audacious.

1.) It is not "a packager bug", because it has been added by upstream in 2012.
2.) I didn't ignore anything. I've responded quickly and multiple times.
3.) Talking about "forcing somebody" is a sign of hostility. If you cannot
convince
    upstream (or don't even try to), force the packager instead?
4.) The word "nonsense" is another extreme. Upstream's rationale has been
    linked: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1074145#c3

And finally, placing me at the centre of his frustration/wrath is entirely
inappropriate.

Regards,
-ms

[Michael Schwendt]

>  And finally, placing me at the centre of his frustration/wrath is
> entirely
>  inappropriate. 
Seems my impression is correct and it has become a personal issue:


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1205384
--- Comment #14 from Wolfgang Ulbrich <chat-to-me(a)raveit.de&gt; ---
Test for M. Schwendt :)


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1165012
--- Comment #14 from Wolfgang Ulbrich <chat-to-me(a)raveit.de&gt; ---
Test for M. Schwendt :)


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1153480
--- Comment #16 from Wolfgang Ulbrich <chat-to-me(a)raveit.de&gt; ---
Test for M. Schwendt :)


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1153480
--- Comment #17 from Wolfgang Ulbrich <chat-to-me(a)raveit.de&gt; ---
Test for M. Schwendt :)


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1127952
--- Comment #12 from Wolfgang Ulbrich <chat-to-me(a)raveit.de&gt; ---
Test for M. Schwendt :)


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1078123
--- Comment #5 from Wolfgang Ulbrich <chat-to-me(a)raveit.de&gt; ---
Do you like spam M.Schwendt?

[Ankur Sinha]

On Sun, 2015-05-31 at 18:15 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>  Seems my impression is correct and it has become a personal issue:

Hi Michael,

I've just gone through the links that you've posted and agree that
raveit65 could be more "excellent to each other" here. 

If the other CWG members agree, I would like to invite both parties to
the CWG private mailing list to help diffuse the situation? 

(We haven't a proper system in place and I think this will be a good
way of doing it going forward - we invite the concerned parties to the
private ML to diffuse the situation and then they can be un-subscribed
after - that way the private ML becomes a nice communication channel
for the parties and the CWG will be aware and can help out nicely too -
better than one of us privately mailing then parties like we've done in
the past?)
-- 
Thanks,
Regards,
Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sun, 31 May 2015 18:14:38 +0100
Ankur Sinha <sanjay.ankur(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Sun, 2015-05-31 at 18:15 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>  > Seems my impression is correct and it has become a personal issue:
>  
>  
>  Hi Michael, 
(did you send this to Michael too?)

>  I've just gone through the links that you've posted and agree
> that
>  raveit65 could be more "excellent to each other" here. 
>  
>  If the other CWG members agree, I would like to invite both parties to
>  the CWG private mailing list to help diffuse the situation? 
>  
>  (We haven't a proper system in place and I think this will be a good
>  way of doing it going forward - we invite the concerned parties to the
>  private ML to diffuse the situation and then they can be un-subscribed
>  after - that way the private ML becomes a nice communication channel
>  for the parties and the CWG will be aware and can help out nicely too
>  - better than one of us privately mailing then parties like we've
>  done in the past?) 
The problem with that is that when you subscribe someone they have full
access to the archives, so they can look back at any other stuff from
the past. :( 

So, I don't think thats too great an idea... 

kevin

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sun, 31 May 2015 13:37:09 -0600
Kevin Fenzi <kevin(a)scrye.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Sun, 31 May 2015 18:14:38 +0100
>  Ankur Sinha <sanjay.ankur(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > On Sun, 2015-05-31 at 18:15 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>  > > Seems my impression is correct and it has become a personal issue:
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Hi Michael,
>  
>  (did you send this to Michael too?) 
Sorry, I see he posted to the list. ;) 

In any case I do think definitely someone should talk with Wolfgang. 

kevin

[Ankur Sinha]

On Sun, 2015-05-31 at 13:37 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  The problem with that is that when you subscribe someone they have 
>  full
>  access to the archives, so they can look back at any other stuff from
>  the past. :( 
>  
>  So, I don't think thats too great an idea...  
Oh, yeah, I forgot the archive part. 

I'll mail Wolfgang later today and cc the private list.
-- 
Thanks,
Regards,
Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

[Ankur Sinha]

On Mon, 2015-06-01 at 08:50 +0100, Ankur Sinha wrote:
>  I'll mail Wolfgang later today and cc the private list. 
I have dropped Wolfgang an e-mail and sent a copy to the private list
too. 
-- 
Thanks,
Regards,
Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha