9:26 a.m.
Hi all,
it's about time we discuss which of the three [1][2][3] wallpaper
concepts will be used as a base for the Constantine theme. Please bear
in mind we are not comparing how evolved each of the designs is, but
rather checking the potential of the design. We want a wallpaper that is
both nice and suitable for default, not a wallpaper that's awesome and
cool but you cannot discern icons/text on half of it. I suggest that
people raise their reasons for and against choosing one or another in
this thread and we hold a (hopefully) short IRC session next Monday
(2009-08-10) to make the final decision. Would 16:00 UTC be a good time
for everyone?
Don't forget to take into account e.g. the progress that's now happening
in another thread about mosaico and any other updates to the mentioned
designs.
Thanks,
Martin
References:
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Wallpaper-mosaico6.png
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fedora-wall-jayme-VII.jpg
9:45 a.m.
the time works for me :)
2009/8/7 Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com>:
Hi all,
it's about time we discuss which of the three [1][2][3] wallpaper
concepts will be used as a base for the Constantine theme. Please bear
in mind we are not comparing how evolved each of the designs is, but
rather checking the potential of the design. We want a wallpaper that is
both nice and suitable for default, not a wallpaper that's awesome and
cool but you cannot discern icons/text on half of it. I suggest that
people raise their reasons for and against choosing one or another in
this thread and we hold a (hopefully) short IRC session next Monday
(2009-08-10) to make the final decision. Would 16:00 UTC be a good time
for everyone?
Don't forget to take into account e.g. the progress that's now happening
in another thread about mosaico and any other updates to the mentioned
designs.
Thanks,
Martin
References:
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Wallpaper-mosaico6.png
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fedora-wall-jayme-VII.jpg
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10:13 a.m.
I think it's lunchtime for me but I could make it.
~m
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 10:15 +1930, María Leandro wrote:
the time works for me :)
2009/8/7 Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com>:
> (2009-08-10) to make the final decision. Would 16:00 UTC be a good time
> for everyone?
10:28 a.m.
On 08/06/2009 06:13 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I think it's lunchtime for me but I could make it.
And a bit late for me, so I would prefer to keep it short (under 30
minutes).
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 10:15 +1930, María Leandro wrote:
> the time works for me :)
>
> 2009/8/7 Martin Sourada<martin.sourada(a)gmail.com>:
>> (2009-08-10) to make the final decision. Would 16:00 UTC be a good time
>> for everyone?
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9:46 a.m.
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 16:26 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
Hi all,
it's about time we discuss which of the three [1][2][3] wallpaper
concepts will be used as a base for the Constantine theme. Please bear
in mind we are not comparing how evolved each of the designs is, but
rather checking the potential of the design. We want a wallpaper that is
both nice and suitable for default, not a wallpaper that's awesome and
cool but you cannot discern icons/text on half of it. I suggest that
people raise their reasons for and against choosing one or another in
this thread and we hold a (hopefully) short IRC session next Monday
(2009-08-10) to make the final decision. Would 16:00 UTC be a good time
for everyone?
Don't forget to take into account e.g. the progress that's now happening
in another thread about mosaico and any other updates to the mentioned
designs.
Thanks,
Martin
References:
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Wallpaper-mosaico6.png
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fedora-wall-jayme-VII.jpg
Oups, I've sent it to fedora-art-list by mistake, but seems it arrived
to the design-team correctly...
Now to get the ball rolling. I'm sort of tired of photo-manip and rather
complex backgrounds that extensively use various patterns, brushes, etc.
so while I like Jayme's design, and don't have any sound reason for not
making it default, I'd rather go with one of the other two. Perhaps the
main concern I have is that it is too concrete to my taste and that it
has some sort of religious feel -- all the clouds (or are they waves?)
and Constantine sitting in midst of that... Also the wallpaper seems too
busy to me, like composed from two different themes (like if the statue
was implanted into the design after it has been already done), the
statue steals to much attention.
For the underwater mosaic. I think it very cool and awesome, but at the
same time it still needs a lot of work. It kind of reminds me both of
the DNA and waves themes that I rather liked. And while it's still a
photomanip, it's abstract and I think the mosaic, water and glows work
great together if used right. On the flip side, it's rather big in size,
which we could probably optimize by using JPEG instead of PNG... I would
really love to see the default theme in F12 to be based on this concept.
And last but not least - mosaico. It's abstract, it's vector, it's
simple, it perhaps has the most potential of these three, but still
needs a hell lot of work. The perspective approach is an interesting
take, I think perhaps it would be even better if we combined this with
the underwater mosaic. Create a simple mosaic in this style, but with
perspective, not as tiles -- it would be nice if it created some nice
picture, e.g. the four foundations, or just one of the foundations per
picture and it could circle between the four versions -- and add the
underwater effect.
Well, that's about my impressions about these candidates.
Martin
10:51 a.m.
Thanks for starting this off, Martin!
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 16:46 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
Now to get the ball rolling. I'm sort of tired of photo-manip
and
rathercomplex backgrounds that extensively use various patterns,
brushes, etc. so while I like Jayme's design, and don't have any sound
reason for not making it default, I'd rather go with one of the other
two. Perhaps the main concern I have is that it is too concrete to my
taste and that it has some sort of religious feel -- all the clouds
(or are they waves?) and Constantine sitting in midst of that... Also
the wallpaper seems too busy to me, like composed from two different
themes (like if the statue was implanted into the design after it has
been already done), the statue steals to much attention.
It's a very beautifully-rendered wallpaper. My main concern about it is
conceptually, it is a very literal interpretation of the codename. I was
hoping we could allude to the codename in a little more subtle manner,
to leave room for people's personal interpretations. The whole codename
process is a bit of a fun game ('how did you get from there to THERE?')
and having the artwork allude to it in a less literal manner could also
make for some fun discussion/interpretation post-release. And in case
you're not sure why I take this position - because I think we made the
mistake in the past of trying a literal interpretation (remember the
sulphur artwork with pieces of sulphur? :) )
Even being a literal interpretation, I am not sure that the image of
Constantine (of which, in history, there were several) is going to be
readily recognized by most people. I think people will think 'statue'
instead. Metaphorically, a statue is frozen in time, solid, stable...
but we're a progressive, innovative distribution. Perhaps the notion
that the statue is in fact Constantine could be supported with some
flourishes/designs/textures affiliated with the culture associated with
him. You said that you used Gustave Doré woodblock prints, and while
they are beautiful, I'm not sure they are related to or evoke the
culture of Constantine. (Although I know he's not Japanese, the texture
actually reminds me of Japanese woodblock prints, eg, 'Great Wave off
the coast of Kanagawa' [1])
I'd feel more comfortable choosing a wallpaper that is
conceptually-strong but needs rendering work, than a wallpaper that is
rendered perfectly but is conceptually weak. This is simply because the
later has more potential for things to go wrong and for requiring more
time & effort than the former. This is not to say that the concept of
this design couldn't be improved upon in the time left, but there is not
much time before our decision. What John has suggested - that this
conceptually be about calmness in a turbulent sea - is for example, a
better concept than just a statue of Constantine as it can be much more
metaphorical and very much related to Constantine's rule as I believe
historically he brought a lot of order to chaos. If you wanted to push
this concept further, there's a lot of things you could do - eg drop the
very literal statue and work in some other calming object to contrast
with the turbulence of Gustave Doré's sea.
Another concern that was brought up in IRC today is that it includes a
weapon, which in the past with proposals has sparked quite a bit of
negative feedback. Perhaps the photo could be manipulated to exclude the
weapon, though, so maybe it's not as big a concern.
For the underwater mosaic. I think it very cool and awesome, but at
the
same time it still needs a lot of work. It kind of reminds me both of
the DNA and waves themes that I rather liked. And while it's still a
photomanip, it's abstract and I think the mosaic, water and glows work
great together if used right. On the flip side, it's rather big in size,
which we could probably optimize by using JPEG instead of PNG... I would
really love to see the default theme in F12 to be based on this concept.
And last but not least - mosaico. It's abstract, it's vector, it's
simple, it perhaps has the most potential of these three, but still
needs a hell lot of work. The perspective approach is an interesting
take, I think perhaps it would be even better if we combined this with
the underwater mosaic. Create a simple mosaic in this style, but with
perspective, not as tiles -- it would be nice if it created some nice
picture, e.g. the four foundations, or just one of the foundations per
picture and it could circle between the four versions -- and add the
underwater effect.
I wonder if we could vectorize the underwater mosaic, eg., take the
tiles María created, lay them out in a similar pattern to the underwater
photo manip, and tilt the perspective to be similar as well.
I agree with all your points about the underwater mosaic. It needs a LOT
of work and has an unwieldy filesize. And of course, it is bitmap, which
makes it harder to work with. GeroldKa had one great idea for this
wallpaper though, that I think is a strong point that maybe we could use
if we vectorized it - you could do a time-of-day wallpaper of it by
changing the intensity and maybe even the color of the glow coming out
of the tiles.
~m
[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tsunami_by_hokusai_19th_century.jpg
12:51 p.m.
Okay then, given the discussions surrounding the proposal, I believe
that this proposal is best remembered as the discussion is very
massive in metaphors too subjective.
When did the proposal, not thought in a discussion to address many
issues, such as referring the "Great Waves ... ' of Kanagawa or even
religious issues that I read here on the list. I based the name and
made an explicit reference to the code, pasting other elements (such
as the engraving of Doré) to give an air of superiority to the statue
and a texture of concrete to harmonize the art.
Different from when I proposed an art involving the Tower of
Constantine that was mentioned subjectively applied with some effects
which referred the technology.
I know that there is no common consensus in the use of the Statue of
art, perhaps, because I do not follow the original idea was to do
something with the theme "mosaic", using a collage of photos may look
a little "démodé" but for me is I can work and provide, as I have the
gift of making illustrations.
The arguments that I have to use this art are little because I am
thinking more artistically than functionally, and even think that
artistically I said here that "art is subjective and is easy to
conceptualize a work of art or art done for a distribution.
These are my thoughts and I believe that the decision taken by this
team will be better for everyone.
Cheers
2009/8/6 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>:
Thanks for starting this off, Martin!
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 16:46 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> Now to get the ball rolling. I'm sort of tired of photo-manip and
> rathercomplex backgrounds that extensively use various patterns,
> brushes, etc. so while I like Jayme's design, and don't have any sound
> reason for not making it default, I'd rather go with one of the other
> two. Perhaps the main concern I have is that it is too concrete to my
> taste and that it has some sort of religious feel -- all the clouds
> (or are they waves?) and Constantine sitting in midst of that... Also
> the wallpaper seems too busy to me, like composed from two different
> themes (like if the statue was implanted into the design after it has
> been already done), the statue steals to much attention.
It's a very beautifully-rendered wallpaper. My main concern about it is
conceptually, it is a very literal interpretation of the codename. I was
hoping we could allude to the codename in a little more subtle manner,
to leave room for people's personal interpretations. The whole codename
process is a bit of a fun game ('how did you get from there to THERE?')
and having the artwork allude to it in a less literal manner could also
make for some fun discussion/interpretation post-release. And in case
you're not sure why I take this position - because I think we made the
mistake in the past of trying a literal interpretation (remember the
sulphur artwork with pieces of sulphur? :) )
Even being a literal interpretation, I am not sure that the image of
Constantine (of which, in history, there were several) is going to be
readily recognized by most people. I think people will think 'statue'
instead. Metaphorically, a statue is frozen in time, solid, stable...
but we're a progressive, innovative distribution. Perhaps the notion
that the statue is in fact Constantine could be supported with some
flourishes/designs/textures affiliated with the culture associated with
him. You said that you used Gustave Doré woodblock prints, and while
they are beautiful, I'm not sure they are related to or evoke the
culture of Constantine. (Although I know he's not Japanese, the texture
actually reminds me of Japanese woodblock prints, eg, 'Great Wave off
the coast of Kanagawa' [1])
I'd feel more comfortable choosing a wallpaper that is
conceptually-strong but needs rendering work, than a wallpaper that is
rendered perfectly but is conceptually weak. This is simply because the
later has more potential for things to go wrong and for requiring more
time & effort than the former. This is not to say that the concept of
this design couldn't be improved upon in the time left, but there is not
much time before our decision. What John has suggested - that this
conceptually be about calmness in a turbulent sea - is for example, a
better concept than just a statue of Constantine as it can be much more
metaphorical and very much related to Constantine's rule as I believe
historically he brought a lot of order to chaos. If you wanted to push
this concept further, there's a lot of things you could do - eg drop the
very literal statue and work in some other calming object to contrast
with the turbulence of Gustave Doré's sea.
Another concern that was brought up in IRC today is that it includes a
weapon, which in the past with proposals has sparked quite a bit of
negative feedback. Perhaps the photo could be manipulated to exclude the
weapon, though, so maybe it's not as big a concern.
> For the underwater mosaic. I think it very cool and awesome, but at the
> same time it still needs a lot of work. It kind of reminds me both of
> the DNA and waves themes that I rather liked. And while it's still a
> photomanip, it's abstract and I think the mosaic, water and glows work
> great together if used right. On the flip side, it's rather big in size,
> which we could probably optimize by using JPEG instead of PNG... I would
> really love to see the default theme in F12 to be based on this concept.
>
> And last but not least - mosaico. It's abstract, it's vector, it's
> simple, it perhaps has the most potential of these three, but still
> needs a hell lot of work. The perspective approach is an interesting
> take, I think perhaps it would be even better if we combined this with
> the underwater mosaic. Create a simple mosaic in this style, but with
> perspective, not as tiles -- it would be nice if it created some nice
> picture, e.g. the four foundations, or just one of the foundations per
> picture and it could circle between the four versions -- and add the
> underwater effect.
I wonder if we could vectorize the underwater mosaic, eg., take the
tiles María created, lay them out in a similar pattern to the underwater
photo manip, and tilt the perspective to be similar as well.
I agree with all your points about the underwater mosaic. It needs a LOT
of work and has an unwieldy filesize. And of course, it is bitmap, which
makes it harder to work with. GeroldKa had one great idea for this
wallpaper though, that I think is a strong point that maybe we could use
if we vectorized it - you could do a time-of-day wallpaper of it by
changing the intensity and maybe even the color of the glow coming out
of the tiles.
~m
[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tsunami_by_hokusai_19th_century.jpg
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1:10 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Jayme Ayres<jayme(a)jaymeayres.com> wrote:
Okay then, given the discussions surrounding the proposal, I believe
that this proposal is best remembered as the discussion is very
massive in metaphors too subjective.
When did the proposal, not thought in a discussion to address many
issues, such as referring the "Great Waves ... ' of Kanagawa or even
religious issues that I read here on the list. I based the name and
made an explicit reference to the code, pasting other elements (such
as the engraving of Doré) to give an air of superiority to the statue
and a texture of concrete to harmonize the art.
Different from when I proposed an art involving the Tower of
Constantine that was mentioned subjectively applied with some effects
which referred the technology.
The sense of calm amid turbulence that I get from the statue I think
is that air of superiority you intended.
I know that there is no common consensus in the use of the Statue of
art, perhaps, because I do not follow the original idea was to do
something with the theme "mosaic", using a collage of photos may look
a little "démodé" but for me is I can work and provide, as I have the
gift of making illustrations.
The arguments that I have to use this art are little because I am
thinking more artistically than functionally, and even think that
artistically I said here that "art is subjective and is easy to
conceptualize a work of art or art done for a distribution.
These are my thoughts and I believe that the decision taken by this
team will be better for everyone.
Jayme, I think you succeeded in what you set out to do. I almost
mentioned that when I feel like staring at it and pondering deeper
ideas that it brings out from my thoughts and feelings that it is very
like when I do the same with, say, something like Lady of Shallot by
Waterhouse. But yours works much better as a daily background as it
has colors and textures that don't distract one from working when one
needs to work. But it also allows for something more deep to be
experienced as art should.
Regardless of how things turn out with the default background, you
have created a really beautiful background and I hope you know and get
satisfaction from our appreciation for it.
John
1:34 p.m.
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 14:51 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote:
When did the proposal, not thought in a discussion to address many
issues, such as referring the "Great Waves ... ' of Kanagawa or even
religious issues that I read here on the list.
Most of the art work we've done as a team has been interpreted in ways I
think were never intended (and sometimes I think interpreted in crazily
unexpected ways), even works that had no strong concept underlying them.
I think that's why it's important to seek out critique, for us to
discuss how the artwork is interpreted by others and use that feedback
to tweak the design to send the message we really wanted to send with it
(or at least, avoid a message we know we do not want to send about
Fedora! :) ) I can give you example after example of this - how the
Fedora 8 infinity lines look like the Atari logo, how a starburst in one
person's proposal a while back reminded people of the oppression of the
Japanese empire during WWII, the sulphur looking like poo (well it did
and I'm glad we dropped it :)), there were a few pieces that triggered a
very strong religious interpretation from some folks I don't remember
the specifics of.
I think it's important to get an idea of how works will be interpreted
by Fedora users because they are our ultimate consumers. Even if we
don't agree with the interpretation or don't think their reaction makes
sense, we do need to acknowledge it. It's our choice to live with people
interpreting it that way or if we want to adjust the work to change the
interpretation.
I based the name and
made an explicit reference to the code, pasting other elements (such
as the engraving of Doré) to give an air of superiority to the statue
and a texture of concrete to harmonize the art.
Different from when I proposed an art involving the Tower of
Constantine that was mentioned subjectively applied with some effects
which referred the technology.
I know that there is no common consensus in the use of the Statue of
art, perhaps, because I do not follow the original idea was to do
something with the theme "mosaic", using a collage of photos may look
a little "démodé" but for me is I can work and provide, as I have the
gift of making illustrations.
The arguments that I have to use this art are little because I am
thinking more artistically than functionally, and even think that
artistically I said here that "art is subjective and is easy to
conceptualize a work of art or art done for a distribution.
These are my thoughts and I believe that the decision taken by this
team will be better for everyone.
I'm having a little trouble understanding your meaning here, probably
because of language issues, but I really really hope I haven't
discouraged you at all, like many people have said, it is a really
beautiful wallpaper. I would just like to see it pushed a little bit
more conceptually. Art is definitely subjective, but so is any
communication. I think maybe in art maybe you cannot control people's
taste and whether or not something really appeals to someone in a deep
way, but as a form of communication you do have some control over the
message that it sends irregardless if someone subjectively likes it or
not.
~m
3:10 p.m.
Sorry but I have gone on to 08.
I agree with this and I hope you will do good job!
Think about the wallpaper had a combination of:
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Wallpaper-mosaico6.png
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
Maybe tatica will solve this .
We thank for your attention!
3:36 p.m.
2009/8/6 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>:
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 14:51 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote:
> When did the proposal, not thought in a discussion to address many
> issues, such as referring the "Great Waves ... ' of Kanagawa or even
> religious issues that I read here on the list.
Most of the art work we've done as a team has been interpreted in ways I
think were never intended (and sometimes I think interpreted in crazily
unexpected ways), even works that had no strong concept underlying them.
I think that's why it's important to seek out critique, for us to
discuss how the artwork is interpreted by others and use that feedback
to tweak the design to send the message we really wanted to send with it
(or at least, avoid a message we know we do not want to send about
Fedora! :) ) I can give you example after example of this - how the
Fedora 8 infinity lines look like the Atari logo, how a starburst in one
person's proposal a while back reminded people of the oppression of the
Japanese empire during WWII, the sulphur looking like poo (well it did
and I'm glad we dropped it :)), there were a few pieces that triggered a
very strong religious interpretation from some folks I don't remember
the specifics of.
If we look, all the arts have a concept that will send anything (bad
or good). And when we're working with many users it gives more room
for numerous interpretations, saying that this or that refers to any
matter religious, political or any other subject that generates some
kind of flame.
I think it's important to get an idea of how works will be interpreted
by Fedora users because they are our ultimate consumers. Even if we
don't agree with the interpretation or don't think their reaction makes
sense, we do need to acknowledge it. It's our choice to live with people
interpreting it that way or if we want to adjust the work to change the
interpretation.
> I based the name and
> made an explicit reference to the code, pasting other elements (such
> as the engraving of Doré) to give an air of superiority to the statue
> and a texture of concrete to harmonize the art.
> Different from when I proposed an art involving the Tower of
> Constantine that was mentioned subjectively applied with some effects
> which referred the technology.
>
> I know that there is no common consensus in the use of the Statue of
> art, perhaps, because I do not follow the original idea was to do
> something with the theme "mosaic", using a collage of photos may look
> a little "démodé" but for me is I can work and provide, as I have the
> gift of making illustrations.
>
> The arguments that I have to use this art are little because I am
> thinking more artistically than functionally, and even think that
> artistically I said here that "art is subjective and is easy to
> conceptualize a work of art or art done for a distribution.
> These are my thoughts and I believe that the decision taken by this
> team will be better for everyone.
I'm having a little trouble understanding your meaning here, probably
because of language issues, but I really really hope I haven't
discouraged you at all, like many people have said, it is a really
beautiful wallpaper. I would just like to see it pushed a little bit
more conceptually. Art is definitely subjective, but so is any
communication. I think maybe in art maybe you cannot control people's
taste and whether or not something really appeals to someone in a deep
way, but as a form of communication you do have some control over the
message that it sends irregardless if someone subjectively likes it or
not.
I think my arguments end up here, and as I told the Desing Team know
what is best.
~m
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2:49 p.m.
solved (at least a try)
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-1.png
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-2.png
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-4.png
just change the png/svg for the sources
2009/8/7 Jayme Ayres <jayme(a)jaymeayres.com>:
2009/8/6 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>:
> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 14:51 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote:
>> When did the proposal, not thought in a discussion to address many
>> issues, such as referring the "Great Waves ... ' of Kanagawa or even
>> religious issues that I read here on the list.
>
> Most of the art work we've done as a team has been interpreted in ways I
> think were never intended (and sometimes I think interpreted in crazily
> unexpected ways), even works that had no strong concept underlying them.
> I think that's why it's important to seek out critique, for us to
> discuss how the artwork is interpreted by others and use that feedback
> to tweak the design to send the message we really wanted to send with it
> (or at least, avoid a message we know we do not want to send about
> Fedora! :) ) I can give you example after example of this - how the
> Fedora 8 infinity lines look like the Atari logo, how a starburst in one
> person's proposal a while back reminded people of the oppression of the
> Japanese empire during WWII, the sulphur looking like poo (well it did
> and I'm glad we dropped it :)), there were a few pieces that triggered a
> very strong religious interpretation from some folks I don't remember
> the specifics of.
If we look, all the arts have a concept that will send anything (bad
or good). And when we're working with many users it gives more room
for numerous interpretations, saying that this or that refers to any
matter religious, political or any other subject that generates some
kind of flame.
>
> I think it's important to get an idea of how works will be interpreted
> by Fedora users because they are our ultimate consumers. Even if we
> don't agree with the interpretation or don't think their reaction makes
> sense, we do need to acknowledge it. It's our choice to live with people
> interpreting it that way or if we want to adjust the work to change the
> interpretation.
>
>> I based the name and
>> made an explicit reference to the code, pasting other elements (such
>> as the engraving of Doré) to give an air of superiority to the statue
>> and a texture of concrete to harmonize the art.
>> Different from when I proposed an art involving the Tower of
>> Constantine that was mentioned subjectively applied with some effects
>> which referred the technology.
>>
>> I know that there is no common consensus in the use of the Statue of
>> art, perhaps, because I do not follow the original idea was to do
>> something with the theme "mosaic", using a collage of photos may look
>> a little "démodé" but for me is I can work and provide, as I have the
>> gift of making illustrations.
>>
>> The arguments that I have to use this art are little because I am
>> thinking more artistically than functionally, and even think that
>> artistically I said here that "art is subjective and is easy to
>> conceptualize a work of art or art done for a distribution.
>> These are my thoughts and I believe that the decision taken by this
>> team will be better for everyone.
>
> I'm having a little trouble understanding your meaning here, probably
> because of language issues, but I really really hope I haven't
> discouraged you at all, like many people have said, it is a really
> beautiful wallpaper. I would just like to see it pushed a little bit
> more conceptually. Art is definitely subjective, but so is any
> communication. I think maybe in art maybe you cannot control people's
> taste and whether or not something really appeals to someone in a deep
> way, but as a form of communication you do have some control over the
> message that it sends irregardless if someone subjectively likes it or
> not.
I think my arguments end up here, and as I told the Desing Team know
what is best.
>
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3:39 p.m.
I like very much this wallpapers.
I think you may improuve this with a water effect like Nicu photo
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-2.png
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On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 15:19 +1930, María Leandro wrote:
solved (at least a try)
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-1.png
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-2.png
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-4.png
just change the png/svg for the sources
Hm... I think this has a very high
potential even though it's still a
bit rough and the colours feel rather depressive, but it's IMHO the way
to go. I like -2 best.
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8:11 p.m.
+1 '
2009/8/7 Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com>:
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 15:19 +1930, María Leandro wrote:
> solved (at least a try)
>
> http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-1.png
> http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-2.png
> http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-4.png
>
> just change the png/svg for the sources
Hm... I think this has a very high potential even though it's still a
bit rough and the colours feel rather depressive, but it's IMHO the way
to go. I like -2 best.
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8:38 p.m.
Agreed with both people. I saw these and really liked the idea. #2 as
well for me for favorite
On 08/07/2009 08:11 PM, Jayme Ayres wrote:
+1 '
2009/8/7 Martin Sourada<martin.sourada(a)gmail.com>:
> On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 15:19 +1930, Mar�a Leandro wrote:
>
>> solved (at least a try)
>>
>> http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-1.png
>> http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-2.png
>> http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/Fedora12_mosaic-glow-4.png
>>
>> just change the png/svg for the sources
>>
> Hm... I think this has a very high potential even though it's still a
> bit rough and the colours feel rather depressive, but it's IMHO the way
> to go. I like -2 best.
>
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1:16 p.m.
1:22 p.m.
awesome idea!!!
I think is no late at all!!!
2009/8/8 Cata <catalinfest(a)gmail.com>:
Maybe is to late ...
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1:41 p.m.
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 21:16 +0300, Cata wrote:
Well, this mostly follows the mosaic-based concepts, so it is not too
late ;-) I like the one without additional objects more.
Martin
2:53 p.m.
Hi Cata!
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 21:16 +0300, Cata wrote:
Maybe is to late ...
Like María and Martin already said, this is fine because you're
iterating on a concept that's already been proposed.
http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/apuo7aaipib4w9ual8lq.jpg
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These are fantastic! I've a bunch of suggestions but I'm on my way out
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~m
3:05 p.m.
Hi !
Yes is on blender 3D , i see the wallpaper of tatica and i thinking lets
rock with this ideea .
Not very complex scene because on last weeks = lot of work .
I will go on 9 aug and maybe 10 aug. with some problems .
Send me mails and i will send back feedback .
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Hi Cata!
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 21:16 +0300, Cata wrote:
> Maybe is to late ...
Like María and Martin already said, this is fine because you're
iterating on a concept that's already been proposed.
>
> http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/apuo7aaipib4w9ual8lq.jpg
> http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/aucvixjjfecgdzximyp2.jpg
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These are fantastic! I've a bunch of suggestions but I'm on my way out
the door, so I'll send another mail later. Did you do these in Blender?
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could you send me the .blend ? I'll like to try some ideas :D
2009/8/8 Cata <catalinfest(a)gmail.com>:
Hi !
Yes is on blender 3D , i see the wallpaper of tatica and i thinking lets
rock with this ideea .
Not very complex scene because on last weeks = lot of work .
I will go on 9 aug and maybe 10 aug. with some problems .
Send me mails and i will send back feedback .
2009/8/8 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>
>
> Hi Cata!
>
> On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 21:16 +0300, Cata wrote:
> > Maybe is to late ...
>
> Like María and Martin already said, this is fine because you're
> iterating on a concept that's already been proposed.
> >
> > http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/apuo7aaipib4w9ual8lq.jpg
> > http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/aucvixjjfecgdzximyp2.jpg
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> These are fantastic! I've a bunch of suggestions but I'm on my way out
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2009/8/8 María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org>
could you send me the .blend ? I'll like to try some ideas :D
2009/8/8 Cata <catalinfest(a)gmail.com>:
> Hi !
> Yes is on blender 3D , i see the wallpaper of tatica and i thinking lets
> rock with this ideea .
> Not very complex scene because on last weeks = lot of work .
> I will go on 9 aug and maybe 10 aug. with some problems .
> Send me mails and i will send back feedback .
>
>
> 2009/8/8 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>
>>
>> Hi Cata!
>>
>> On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 21:16 +0300, Cata wrote:
>> > Maybe is to late ...
>>
>> Like María and Martin already said, this is fine because you're
>> iterating on a concept that's already been proposed.
>> >
>> > http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/apuo7aaipib4w9ual8lq.jpg
>> > http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/aucvixjjfecgdzximyp2.jpg
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Have you my .blend file ?
2009/8/8 Cata <catalinfest(a)gmail.com>
2009/8/8 María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org>
could you send me the .blend ? I'll like to try some ideas :D
>
> 2009/8/8 Cata <catalinfest(a)gmail.com>:
> > Hi !
> > Yes is on blender 3D , i see the wallpaper of tatica and i thinking
> lets
> > rock with this ideea .
> > Not very complex scene because on last weeks = lot of work .
> > I will go on 9 aug and maybe 10 aug. with some problems .
> > Send me mails and i will send back feedback .
> >
> >
> > 2009/8/8 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>
> >>
> >> Hi Cata!
> >>
> >> On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 21:16 +0300, Cata wrote:
> >> > Maybe is to late ...
> >>
> >> Like María and Martin already said, this is fine because you're
> >> iterating on a concept that's already been proposed.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/apuo7aaipib4w9ual8lq.jpg
> >> > http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/aucvixjjfecgdzximyp2.jpg
> >> > ______________________________________________
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> >> the door, so I'll send another mail later. Did you do these in Blender?
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4:38 p.m.
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 23:49 +0300, Cata wrote:
Have you my .blend file ?
Well, the previous mail definitely had a .blend attachment, so I suppose
it was delivered safely (cannot test though as I don't have blender
installed). However the mail would be easier to follow, had you deleted
most of the quotes and just had written something along the 'here you
are (see attachment)' lines ;-)
Martin
8:54 p.m.
The
second wallpaper has a better perspective and combine very well the
mosaic idea with architecture forms.
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On 08/06/2009 05:26 PM, Martin Sourada wrote:
Hi all,
it's about time we discuss which of the three [1][2][3] wallpaper
concepts will be used as a base for the Constantine theme. Please bear
in mind we are not comparing how evolved each of the designs is, but
rather checking the potential of the design. We want a wallpaper that is
both nice and suitable for default, not a wallpaper that's awesome and
cool but you cannot discern icons/text on half of it.
My take:
- mosaico with a perspecitve view[1] is the strongest candidate. It is
the only in vector format, it looks good (especially with perspective
and a 3D look) and is small;
- mosaic-glow (underwater) does look good, is appreciated by people but
is large. I think it is a strong candidate for an additional wallpaper;
- the statue has good colors and a lot of supporters but (as said
before), I think it is too direct, not leaving place for any metaphor.
[1]
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On 08/06/2009 05:57 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
My take:
- mosaico with a perspecitve view[1] is the strongest candidate. It is
the only in vector format, it looks good (especially with perspective
and a 3D look) and is small;
One more thing: if we want to go again with rotating wallpapers
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On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 06:18:32PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 08/06/2009 05:57 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
>
> My take:
>
> - mosaico with a perspecitve view[1] is the strongest candidate. It is
> the only in vector format, it looks good (especially with perspective
> and a 3D look) and is small;
One more thing: if we want to go again with rotating wallpapers
according with the time of the day, probably this one is the most suitable.
/me just noting again that we do have the opportunity to package
additional contenders in the -extra package, so anyone who is in love
with a different wallpaper can simply 'yum' their way to a desktop
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Nicu Buculei<nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro> wrote:
On 08/06/2009 05:26 PM, Martin Sourada wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> it's about time we discuss which of the three [1][2][3] wallpaper
> concepts will be used as a base for the Constantine theme. Please bear
> in mind we are not comparing how evolved each of the designs is, but
> rather checking the potential of the design. We want a wallpaper that is
> both nice and suitable for default, not a wallpaper that's awesome and
> cool but you cannot discern icons/text on half of it.
My take:
- mosaico with a perspecitve view[1] is the strongest candidate. It is
the only in vector format, it looks good (especially with perspective
and a 3D look) and is small;
- mosaic-glow (underwater) does look good, is appreciated by people but
is large. I think it is a strong candidate for an additional wallpaper;
- the statue has good colors and a lot of supporters but (as said
before), I think it is too direct, not leaving place for any metaphor.
2 cents from the peanut gallery ...
As someone with the eye of a user who stares at a monitor most of
every day I find jayme's the most appealing and easy on my eyes. The
colors and textures are wonderful. I find it both mystical and
majestic. To my mind the calmness projected from the statue in the
midst of the turbulence around it makes a nice contrast making me want
to stare at it and think about it. It is very nice and I suspect will
be my wallpaper for F12, it is already my wallpaper on my current
Fedora desktop.
John
10:41 a.m.
I would like to partecipate at the conference, but I'm on holiday from this saturday
for the next two weeks.
Sorry.
----- "inode0" <inode0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Nicu
Buculei<nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro>
wrote:
> On 08/06/2009 05:26 PM, Martin Sourada wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> it's about time we discuss which of the three [1][2][3] wallpaper
>> concepts will be used as a base for the Constantine theme. Please
bear
>> in mind we are not comparing how evolved each of the designs is,
but
>> rather checking the potential of the design. We want a wallpaper
that is
>> both nice and suitable for default, not a wallpaper that's awesome
and
>> cool but you cannot discern icons/text on half of it.
>
> My take:
>
> - mosaico with a perspecitve view[1] is the strongest candidate. It
is
> the only in vector format, it looks good (especially with
perspective
> and a 3D look) and is small;
>
> - mosaic-glow (underwater) does look good, is appreciated by people
but
> is large. I think it is a strong candidate for an additional
wallpaper;
>
> - the statue has good colors and a lot of supporters but (as said
> before), I think it is too direct, not leaving place for any
metaphor.
2 cents from the peanut gallery ...
As someone with the eye of a user who stares at a monitor most of
every day I find jayme's the most appealing and easy on my eyes. The
colors and textures are wonderful. I find it both mystical and
majestic. To my mind the calmness projected from the statue in the
midst of the turbulence around it makes a nice contrast making me
want
to stare at it and think about it. It is very nice and I suspect will
be my wallpaper for F12, it is already my wallpaper on my current
Fedora desktop.
John
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