Re: [Design-team] Development of DIY Folding Media Sleeve
by Onyeibo Oku
> Hello Onyeibo, thanks for your prompt response.
>
> I have enjoyed reading on the mail list about the design process for
> the official CD cover artwork while comparing and contrasting the
> design considerations and target audience of this project.
Naturally, "Official" means priority. There is no need for a
comparison. Both are essential and cover different scopes. I
understand the DIY version should serve in the absence of the official
version -- something cheap to keep the Fedora spirit flowing.
> Please forgive me however I fail to grasp how glue and scissors are
> inevitable.
I was referring to our present solution. We can change that.
> If a complex assembly and other supplies were required this would
> greatly diminish the usefulness of this sleeve for end users. I hope
> that a simple and effective DIY sleeve can be printed anywhere and
> folded at a moment's notice. Standard paper is what most people have
> in their printers and that's the target for a DIY sleeve. Two
> examples are provided that require no glue and scissors and you have
> provided alternative folding instructions for one of them which I
> appreciate.
>
> As for background colors and large solid colored areas, these
> generally take up quite a bit of ink which is a legitimate concern for
> some people, especially users at home that resent the high cost of ink
> jet refill cartridges. I like the text you have provided which covers
> the support issues quite well, directing people to existing resources.
Ok. I'll revisit the design and strip it of fills and gradients. I'd
suggest a Grayscale (monochrome) version that can come off a Laserjet.
That shouldn't raise dampening concerns and maintenance costs.
> Thank you for the set of alternative folding instructions. I'll try
> out this Fujimoto 5-part approximation trial and error method to see
> if it works better for me. I know from experience that using the CD
> itself as a guide is quite fast, easy and is exactly the right width.
> I encourage you to try both of these methods sometime. Both of the
> instructions we provided depend on a fold for the pocket that is not
> intuitive the first time through but is very easy with a little
> practice. I don't see the need to create new instructions when we
> have two perfectly good sets of instructions already though something
> customized would be nice if time allows.
I meant embedding notes like "crease here" or fold dots within the
design not as a page full of grammar & illustrations. I think we're
saying the same
thing in different ways ... correct me if I'm wrong. I am not insisting
on status-quo ... I buy the origami concept and will adapt the design to
it using the instructions on the other website I provided (i.e. for
dotted
fold marks). I was suggesting that we leave the present folding concept
as an alternative for those who might prefer that, especially on glossy
cardboard. Its ok to use the CD as a guide ... but remember we're
providing a design that should appear somewhere after all folds are
done. We need to establish dimensions for consistency.
> I look forward to continuing to work on this. I appreciate the
> feedback so far and I think the result will be an excellent
> alternative for giving Fedora to others. One reason we all might make
> use of this sleeve would be to give out Fedora before manufactured CDs
> are available.
That's what I thought. We have to agree on end user as graphic
impressions have a way of selling the product. The origami site
addressed personal concerns (those who want to carry their CDs with
them). Ours appear to have a different target -- we're giving the
product to a third party, on a temporary jacket (which should be
compelling as well or we're communicating mediocrity without knowing
it). I also considered the context of the Sleeve. It carries the
Community Thing with it ... you know, "....this one comes to you from
your local community". That informs the recipient that a group of
Fedora Users came together to provide his/her copy. All these affect
the psychology of the design.
> I appreciate the work you have done so far as they are an excellent
> basis for all derived designs.
>
> Regards,
>
> Grant Bowman
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
Regards too ...(hehehe),
Onyeibo
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Re: [Design-team] Development of DIY Folding Media Sleeve
by twohot
> Hello Onyeibo, thanks for your prompt response.
>
> I have enjoyed reading on the mail list about the design process for
> the official CD cover artwork while comparing and contrasting the
> design considerations and target audience of this project.
Naturally, "Official" means priority. There is no need for a
comparison. Both are essential and cover different scopes. I
understand the DIY version should serve in the absence of the official
version -- something cheap to keep the Fedora spirit flowing.
> Please forgive me however I fail to grasp how glue and scissors are
> inevitable.
I was referring to our present solution. We can change that.
> If a complex assembly and other supplies were required this would
> greatly diminish the usefulness of this sleeve for end users. I hope
> that a simple and effective DIY sleeve can be printed anywhere and
> folded at a moment's notice. Standard paper is what most people have
> in their printers and that's the target for a DIY sleeve. Two
> examples are provided that require no glue and scissors and you have
> provided alternative folding instructions for one of them which I
> appreciate.
>
> As for background colors and large solid colored areas, these
> generally take up quite a bit of ink which is a legitimate concern for
> some people, especially users at home that resent the high cost of ink
> jet refill cartridges. I like the text you have provided which covers
> the support issues quite well, directing people to existing resources.
Ok. I'll revisit the design and strip it of fills and gradients. I'd
suggest a Grayscale (monochrome) version that can come off a Laserjet.
That shouldn't raise dampening concerns and maintenance costs.
> Thank you for the set of alternative folding instructions. I'll try
> out this Fujimoto 5-part approximation trial and error method to see
> if it works better for me. I know from experience that using the CD
> itself as a guide is quite fast, easy and is exactly the right width.
> I encourage you to try both of these methods sometime. Both of the
> instructions we provided depend on a fold for the pocket that is not
> intuitive the first time through but is very easy with a little
> practice. I don't see the need to create new instructions when we
> have two perfectly good sets of instructions already though something
> customized would be nice if time allows.
I meant embedding notes like "crease here" or fold dots within the
design not as webpage full of grammar. I think we're saying the same
thing in different ways ... correct me if I'm wrong. I am not insisting
on status-quo ... I buy the origami concept and will adapt the design to
it using the instructions on the other site I provided (i.e. for dotted
fold marks). I was suggesting that we leave the present folding concept
as an alternative for those who might prefer that, especially on glossy
cardboard. Its ok to use the CD as a guide ... but remember we're
providing a design that should appear somewhere after all folds are
done. We need to establish dimensions for consistency.
> I look forward to continuing to work on this. I appreciate the
> feedback so far and I think the result will be an excellent
> alternative for giving Fedora to others. One reason we all might make
> use of this sleeve would be to give out Fedora before manufactured CDs
> are available.
That's what I thought. We have to agree on end user as graphic
impressions have a way of selling the product. The origami site
addressed personal concerns (those who want to carry their CDs with
them). Ours appear to have a different target -- we're giving the
product to a third party, on a temporary jacket (which should be
compelling as well or we're communicating mediocrity without knowing
it). I also considered the context of the Sleeve. It carries the
Community Thing with it ... you know, "....this one comes to you from
your local community". That informs the recipient that a group of
Fedora Users came together to provide his/her copy. All these affect
the psychology of the design.
> I appreciate the work you have done so far as they are an excellent
> basis for all derived designs.
>
> Regards,
>
> Grant Bowman
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
Counter Regards ...(hehehe),
Onyeibo
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14 years, 5 months
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14 years, 5 months
Re: Development of DIY Folding Media Sleeve
by Grant Bowman
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:05:20 +0100 Onyeibo wrote:
> Grant wrote:
>> I just emailed logo@ to get a proper SVG logo for using with Scribus.
>> The 1.3.3 version I'm using has trouble with the non-standard SVG that
>> I downloaded from http://fedoradesigns.twohotis.fastmail.fm/ - I think
>> in part because the images are not embedded. The source files would
>> be very helpful. Using Inkscape 0.47 I get the following errors:
>> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
>> /home/t2hot/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_083418.png
>> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
>> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_085318.png
>> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
>> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_085504.png
>> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
>> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_091443.png
>
> I'm sorry you had to go through that process -- my fault. Actually, I
> received approval and copies of the fedora logos shortly after uploading
> that version. I've also updated the design to include the approved
> logos. You will find them here:
> http://fedoradesigns.twohotis.fastmail.fm/. Let me know if this meets
> your needs.
>
>> Onyeibo, have you tried to print out and use your version? I have
>> successfully used many paper sleeves for myself and others. The
>> designed should be easy to create without using any glue, staples,
>> tape, scissors, etc. The folding design shown
>> http://www.athensmusician.net/archive/2005-02-13_oragamicdholder.php
>> is excellent.
>
> No, I've not attempted to print-out the design but everything was done
> with precision and life-size dimensions (trusting that the Inkscape
> rulers are accurate). Our design (so far) evolved from your initial job
> description which referenced an Ubuntu DIY sleeve. I only made the fold
> simpler. The present solution should go well on Cardboard, Photo paper
> and art paper. Glue and Scissors are inevitable. I followed your link
> and checked out the origami ... interesting concept. However, I suspect
> the use of a regular 60-80gms A4 paper there. Those don't always
> respond well, especially if we want designs that have gradients and
> fills ... and we're running prints with inkjet printers. I'll try the
> origami on Cardboard and assess the outcome.
>
>> One note on this artwork is that the fold and how to open the sleeve
>> is needed as end users can be baffled by the sheer cleverness of the
>> folding design the first time they see it. When I am using the CD as
>> a guide to fold and writing the cover by hand I usually put "open
>> here" on the lip of the paper where the flap folds into.
>
> http://www.tgries.de/origami/CD-A4-Thomas-Hull.pdf provides a better
> description of the same fold. Sure, we could include some 'mini' fold
> notes.
>
>
>> I will begin work on a new design including all the feedback so far.
>> Having a design that can be used across different versions of Fedora
>> will be helpful for volunteers so that new artwork will not be
>> required for each release, though of course derivatives are possible
>> with each release's artwork.
>>
>> I did not see a clear place to create a wiki page below
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork so I created this page which I
>> hope will be moved to some place more official later.
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Grantbow/DiySleeve
>
> Wow! I'm not sure that is the right way to go about this. It might be
> necessary to consult the old-timers on how they published project
> progress and reports. You might want to consider publishing 1-3 folding
> alternatives with our final designs ... and leave the choosing to the
> Users.
>
>> I look forward to working with you,
>>
>> Grant Bowman
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
>
>You're Welcome
>
> --
> http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be
Hello Onyeibo, thanks for your prompt response.
I have enjoyed reading on the mail list about the design process for
the official CD cover artwork while comparing and contrasting the
design considerations and target audience of this project.
Please forgive me however I fail to grasp how glue and scissors are inevitable.
If a complex assembly and other supplies were required this would
greatly diminish the usefulness of this sleeve for end users. I hope
that a simple and effective DIY sleeve can be printed anywhere and
folded at a moment's notice. Standard paper is what most people have
in their printers and that's the target for a DIY sleeve. Two
examples are provided that require no glue and scissors and you have
provided alternative folding instructions for one of them which I
appreciate.
As for background colors and large solid colored areas, these
generally take up quite a bit of ink which is a legitimate concern for
some people, especially users at home that resent the high cost of ink
jet refill cartridges. I like the text you have provided which covers
the support issues quite well, directing people to existing resources.
Thank you for the set of alternative folding instructions. I'll try
out this Fujimoto 5-part approximation trial and error method to see
if it works better for me. I know from experience that using the CD
itself as a guide is quite fast, easy and is exactly the right width.
I encourage you to try both of these methods sometime. Both of the
instructions we provided depend on a fold for the pocket that is not
intuitive the first time through but is very easy with a little
practice. I don't see the need to create new instructions when we
have two perfectly good sets of instructions already though something
customized would be nice if time allows.
I look forward to continuing to work on this. I appreciate the
feedback so far and I think the result will be an excellent
alternative for giving Fedora to others. One reason we all might make
use of this sleeve would be to give out Fedora before manufactured CDs
are available.
I appreciate the work you have done so far as they are an excellent
basis for all derived designs.
Regards,
Grant Bowman
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
14 years, 5 months
Inkscape Course for Jr. High Students
by Máirín Duffy
Hi folks,
My Red Hat office, the Boston office, is going to be doing a program
with a local middle school / jr. high (students are 11-14 I think) and
I'm going to be teaching a 9 session (45 minutes a piece) course in
Inkscape to the students. We are trying to introduce the students to the
concept of free software & open content licenses such as Creative
Commons, plus teach them how to use this useful tool that might help
them in their academic career.
I'm trying to put together a lesson plan for the course. But I fear that
it moves way too fast, especially for 45-minute sessions. I know many of
you, I am sure, have given Inkscape tutorials to other folks, and I am
wondering if any of you would have time to give me advice or even help
me develop the lesson plan.
I set up a wiki to store all the materials:
http://linuxgrrl.com/learn/Introduction_To_Inkscape
(I also have materials from a 1-week class I taught at Red Hat High with
John Bintz and MentalGuy from Inkscape:
http://linuxgrrl.com/learn/Comic_Book_Creation_with_Inkscape)
~m
14 years, 5 months
Fwd: Re: Development of DIY Folding Media Sleeve
by Onyeibo Oku
Dear Grant
See comments interspersed with yours:
> I just emailed logo@ to get a proper SVG logo for using with Scribus.
> The 1.3.3 version I'm using has trouble with the non-standard SVG that
> I downloaded from http://fedoradesigns.twohotis.fastmail.fm/ - I think
> in part because the images are not embedded. The source files would
> be very helpful. Using Inkscape 0.47 I get the following errors:
> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
> /home/t2hot/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_083418.png
> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_085318.png
> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_085504.png
> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_091443.png
I'm sorry you had to go through that process -- my fault. Actually, I
received approval and copies of the fedora logos shortly after uploading
that version. I've also updated the design to include the approved
logos. You will find them here:
http://fedoradesigns.twohotis.fastmail.fm/. Let me know if this meets
your needs.
> Onyeibo, have you tried to print out and use your version? I have
> successfully used many paper sleeves for myself and others. The
> designed should be easy to create without using any glue, staples,
> tape, scissors, etc. The folding design shown
> http://www.athensmusician.net/archive/2005-02-13_oragamicdholder.php
> is excellent.
No, I've not attempted to print-out the design but everything was done
with precision and life-size dimensions (trusting that the Inkscape
rulers are accurate). Our design (so far) evolved from your initial job
description which referenced an Ubuntu DIY sleeve. I only made the fold
simpler. The present solution should go well on Cardboard, Photo paper
and art paper. Glue and Scissors are inevitable. I followed your link
and checked out the origami ... interesting concept. However, I suspect
the use of a regular 60-80gms A4 paper there. Those don't always
respond well, especially if we want designs that have gradients and
fills ... and we're running prints with inkjet printers. I'll try the
origami on Cardboard and assess the outcome.
> One note on this artwork is that the fold and how to open the sleeve
> is needed as end users can be baffled by the sheer cleverness of the
> folding design the first time they see it. When I am using the CD as
> a guide to fold and writing the cover by hand I usually put "open
> here" on the lip of the paper where the flap folds into.
http://www.tgries.de/origami/CD-A4-Thomas-Hull.pdf provides a better
description of the same fold. Sure, we could include some 'mini' fold
notes.
> I will begin work on a new design including all the feedback so far.
> Having a design that can be used across different versions of Fedora
> will be helpful for volunteers so that new artwork will not be
> required for each release, though of course derivatives are possible
> with each release's artwork.
>
> I did not see a clear place to create a wiki page below
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork so I created this page which I
> hope will be moved to some place more official later.
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Grantbow/DiySleeve
Wow! I'm not sure that is the right way to go about this. It might be
necessary to consult the old-timers on how they published project
progress and reports. You might want to consider publishing 1-3 folding
alternatives with our final designs ... and leave the choosing to the
Users.
> I look forward to working with you,
>
> Grant Bowman
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
You're Welcome
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