Hello, my name is ... Kirk Bridger
by Kirk Bridger
Hi everyone,
My name is Kirk, I'm looking to get more involved with the design team.
My background is as a user experience professional and business
analyst. I'm currently the UX Advocate for Liferea, and am looking to
contribute further to Fedora specifically. I've migrated from Ubuntu as
their design direction doesn't really match my computer use practices.
Which brings us to the current discussion about Gnome3 and the
background. I don't really have any history with this team so I'll
continue to lurk on the discussion.
Looking forward to lending a hand in some manner!
Kirk
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Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
by Luya Tshimbalanga
Thank you for providing summary about bg theme proposal for fedora 15. Issue on kde side was the absence of such request with kde 4.0 release triggering the unfortunate "DE wars."
Having looked at the bg i think it works well with Fedora. The fact spin versions can use them helps. because rquest is only for f15 i favour it thus giving time to explore gnome3.
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From: Owen Taylor <otaylor(a)redhat.com>
To: <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:54:33 PM GMT-0500
Subject: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
Hi design team -
So, obviously there has been a lot of discussion over the last few days
about the desktop background in Fedora 15 and GNOME 3 but since there
seems to be still a bit of confusion about it, I wanted to step back and
try to write things down a little more formally and hopefully explain
better why we'd like to do something a little different for GNOME in
Fedora 15.
("We" here is basically the set of people who work to package up GNOME
for Fedora - almost all of us combine upstream maintainership of modules
within GNOME with work on making the Fedora desktop. For example,
I'm the lead maintainer of GNOME Shell and the Mutter compositor
upstream, and also handle gnome-shell, mutter, metacity, and several
other packages within Fedora.)
GNOME 3 in Fedora 15 is a big deal. For perspective, GNOME 2.0 was
released in June of 2002, and it was first shipped in Red Hat Linux 8.
We started specific work on the GNOME 3 release in October of 2008, over
2 years ago. So, as you can imagine, there's a lot of effort being put
in on the GNOME side to make a big splash about the GNOME 3 release and
really do a good job about getting information out to people about
what's new and exciting in GNOME 3.
Part of publicity about GNOME 3 is establishing an image in people's
minds about what GNOME looks like. The GNOME 3 look has many
elements ... the widget theme, the black top panel and status icon drop
downs, the fonts we use, and so forth. One prominent part of the
appearance is the background. (The background has a new functional role
in GNOME 3. As well as being behind all the users windows, it also
provides the background to the GNOME "Activities Overview". You can see
how this works, for example, in the screenshot in
http://blogs.gnome.org/fmuellner/2010/11/16/moving-forward/)
If someone reads about GNOME 3 and gets excited about it and wants to
try it out, then they'll need to try it out within a Linux distribution
There's no way to install and try out "GNOME" by itself. Quite a few
different distributions will be shipping GNOME 3 this spring, but we
expect Fedora to be one of the most popular, if not the most popular of
those distributions. (Ubuntu is going their own way with Unity and will
not be featuring GNOME 3.)
After going and getting GNOME on some distribution, the user blogs about
their experiences or writes an article, we'd really like it if the focus
was on what's new in GNOME 3 not how it was integrated and modified for
one distribution or another distribution. Changing the background seems
like a pretty minor modification, and functionally it is a pretty minor
modification, but it is also a major visual modification. Suddenly a
screenshot is no longer a screenshot of GNOME 3, it's a screenshot of
GNOME 3 as modified for a particular distribution.
We want Fedora to be the showcase for GNOME 3 and to be a good example
to other distributions about how to package GNOME 3. So, to go along
with the release splash for Fedora 15, we'd like to make special request
that for this release we use the GNOME background in the Fedora GNOME
packages and hence in the default Fedora desktop.
I want to be clear that this is not in any way saying that we don't like
the Fedora backgrounds ... the recent Fedora backgrounds are great, and
keep on getting cleaner and more professional looking every release. The
issue is rather a question of trying to provide a single look for the
GNOME 3 release rather than a series of looks, one per distribution.
To try and provide a few answers to questions that already have come up:
* Is this really just for Fedora 15?
Yes. The request is specifically to ship the GNOME background as the
default for Fedora 15.
* Would the Fedora background be available for GNOME users?
Yes. The desktop background is a place for users to customize their
desktop and express their personality ... there is no idea that we'd
restrict that customization. GNOME will ship a varied collection of
different backgrounds. Providing the Fedora design
team's background as another option makes a ton of sense to me.
* Is the GNOME background really that distinctive?
A background that looked like nothing anybody had ever seen before
would likely be a pretty strange background. So, yes, it's possible
to find previously released backgrounds that are very similar. But
that doesn't mean that the overall combination of visual features
involved in GNOME 3 isn't distinctive and memorable.
* What about the rest of the artwork?
I think trying to adapt the entire set of artwork in Fedora to have
different looks for different spins is probably more confusing then
anything else. The GNOME default background matches pretty well with
the Fedora look, so it's not going to be jarring to switch to it
after seeing the standard Fedora artwork for boot.
* What about other desktops in Fedora?
We're not trying to say that there is anything fundamentally
different about the GNOME desktop in Fedora than any other desktop;
While we do think GNOME 3 is a special occasion for GNOME, every
desktop should be able to work with the Fedora design team to figure
out what makes the most sense for a release.
And while I think it would be a bit strange and confusing for other
desktops to use a GNOME background as their default, there's
no barrier for other spins to include the gnome-themes-standard
package and depend on the
/usr/share/themes/Adwaita/backgrounds/stripes.jpg
if they want.
I know the desktop is a big part of the expression of Fedora's design
personality and its a lot to ask of the design team to have something
else as the default background for the default desktop for this release,
but I think it is a distinct positive for the release of GNOME 3. And
working together with upstream well is something that's fundamental to
Fedora. So hopefully a lot to ask is not too much to ask :-)
Please let me know what additional questions and concerns you have and
if we can move forward on this. Thanks!
- Owen
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Re: [Design-team] design-team Digest, Vol 20, Issue 12
by 吴子逸
Hi everyone,
I'm Wu Ziyi,and I come from China.Being learn the industrial design,I find I'm not have really interest in it. I have a recent experience of Fedora Linux,and Gnome is my current desktop environment.In the process of learning ，I find，in China， that Gnome isn't that artistic compared with KDE，even KDE is as efficient as Gnome at the same time。And it Many Chinese linux-learners as me are puzzled how to adapt with Gnome。So What I want to say is that a our team may should have a more active affect in making Gnome a more applicable environment for everyone 。
Looking forward to having a more wonderful Gnome!
Thanks,and God bless my broken English!
Ziyi
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:12:11 -0500
From: M?ir?n Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
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On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 11:01 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote:
> If the team doing the default Fedora desktop switched and did a GNOME
> remix instead this cycle, who would do the default Fedora desktop?
> (I'm sure you'd be happy to switch the default to KDE for this cycle,
> but... ;-)
>
> And how would we distinguish between the two different downloads when
> presenting options to the user? We'd basically be offering the user the
> choice between two different almost identical things because we couldn't
> come to a decision.
Yeh unfortunately I kind of think such a spin would be hard to not dub
the "political mess spin" and would likely be an embarrassment for us as
a project :-/ I say this having worked with some of you on our new
website download pages. It would *not* be an easy job to come up with
the wording there.
> My suggestion to you guys if we go this route is really to keep the
> change as minimal as possible and proceed as normal with the other
> desktop backgrounds and the rest of the art.
>
> Obviously if the art team feels its a waste of time to do a set of art
> when the background image in that art set is only an optional choice
> within GNOME then something else will have to be figured out, but it
> seems that there still is a lot of exposure to the art set elsewhere and
> on other desktops.
It is also worth pointing out that our design will be visible in the
default download behind GDM so it will get exposure in the default
download besides syslinux / grub / anaconda / firstboot... Syslinux in
F15 btw is going to look a LOT nicer :) I've been poking at it a bit
http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/fedora-installation-user-experienc...
~m
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:26:09 +0100
From: Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
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On Friday, December 17, 2010 05:03:39 pm M?ir?n Duffy wrote:
> Hi Nicu,
>
> It is true that KDE 4.5 shipped with a wallpaper that is strikingly
> similar to the GNOME 3 wallpaper, but I've talked to a few KDE users and
> it seems that it was not ever set as the default wallpaper for a KDE
> release so it doesn't have the same brand attachment to KDE that the
> GNOME 3 team is looking to achieve.
Indeed, it's not default Plasma Desktop wallpaper - but of course - we can ship
it if needed.
R.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:43:23 -0800
From: Kirk Bridger <kbridger(a)shaw.ca>
Subject: [Design-team] Hello, my name is ...? Kirk Bridger
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Hi everyone,
My name is Kirk, I'm looking to get more involved with the design team.
My background is as a user experience professional and business
analyst.? I'm currently the UX Advocate for Liferea, and am looking to
contribute further to Fedora specifically.? I've migrated from Ubuntu as
their design direction doesn't really match my computer use practices.
Which brings us to the current discussion about Gnome3 and the
background.? I don't really have any history with this team so I'll
continue to lurk on the discussion.
Looking forward to lending a hand in some manner!
Kirk
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:28:30 +0100
From: Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
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Hi M?ir?n,
On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 11:03 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote:
> So there's a few things to consider here.... for example, the GNOME
> marketing team is actually engaged in an effort to create a series of
> videos showing off different aspects of GNOME 3 for the launch (some
> details here: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Gnome3In30Seconds ...
> I saw one of the videos at the Boston Summit but I'm not sure where they
> are online, I'll look for a copy though - they are impressive!) If they
> use the default GNOME wallpaper, but we use a different wallpaper,
> there's a missed opportunity for shared materials there. E.g., we could
> use the videos (which are openly licensed of course!) as part of our
> website without having to modify them or re-shoot them.
>
> It is true that KDE 4.5 shipped with a wallpaper that is strikingly
> similar to the GNOME 3 wallpaper, but I've talked to a few KDE users and
> it seems that it was not ever set as the default wallpaper for a KDE
> release so it doesn't have the same brand attachment to KDE that the
> GNOME 3 team is looking to achieve.
>
> Another thing to think about is the larger struggle between upstreams'
> branding and downstream branding. GNOME 3 isn't trying to produce a
> desktop that shoves the GNOME foot in your face constantly and competes
> with the Fedora brand. The GNOME logo really doesn't appear anywhere. I
> think they are going for a more neutral look that won't override the
> distro branding leading up to the desktop, and won't confuse users over
> what they are using.
IMHO this would lessen Fedora's visual identity a lot. Imagine you boot
a F15 Desktop Live and what you see is almost pristine GNOME 3 desktop.
Where's Fedora in it? Where's our own visual identity in it? Moreover,
KDE shipped our wallpaper with the 4.0 release, why should we treat
GNOME differently? Is it some new trend?
OK, so upstream wants to promote GNOME 3. I'm not a fan of gnome-shell
(quite the contrary), but let them do it. But why the visual identity?
It's the behaviour, the work-flow, the experience that makes GNOME 3
from end-user point of view, and it's the visual identity that makes our
distro Fedora from end-user POV (among other things, but the visual
identity is the first thing you see).
So in short, let's be *first* to ship GNOME 3 and let's be *first* to
ship it with our own visual identity. We, the fedora design team, should
be leaders in our area as well ;-)
Martin
PS: If majority would support us shipping default GNOME 3 wallpaper as
our default in GNOME 3 "spin", instead of having it in prominent place
in bg-chooser applet, I'd yield.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:30:30 +0100
From: "Fabian A. Scherschel" <fab(a)sixgun.org>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Owen Taylor <otaylor(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Our general approach with the GNOME components in Fedora is to work
> upstream whenever possible. It's very seldom that there's a change that
> makes sense in Fedora that doesn't make sense upstream. So we try to
> just do the change upstream.
>
> I think we'd see the art the same way; if the icons can be improved, if
> we can do a more attractive widget theme, then we should do that for
> GNOME.
>
I appreciate what you are trying to do here, but to be honest, if I had
wanted to work on the Gnome 3 look and feel I had joined the Gnome Design
Team. As it stands, I have chosen to work on Fedora's design and you can't
deny that you are trying to substantially neuter the impact of our team and
of Fedora branding as a whole here...
>
> So, I guess we haven't necessarily seen the need for a big process to
> design artwork for GNOME 3 in Fedora 15 that is separate from the normal
> flow to design artwork for GNOME 3. The GNOME artists are very friendly
> and open to people getting involved. You can find them on #gnome-art and
> #gnome-design on GimpNet.
>
> Obviously, there's work to be done to coordinate the user experience for
> GNOME 3 and Fedora and make it fit together - at every level from how
> the websites interact on down. There's still a few months to make that
> happen.
So I guess what you're saying is that wallpapers should be upstream from now
on and we should divert our attention elsewhere?
Fab
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:42:58 +0100
From: "Fabian A. Scherschel" <fab(a)sixgun.org>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
> I just read the post here by Owen and it specifically says "request."
> Anything else is reportage or inference.
>
Is it? I wasn't attending the meeting but it really looks like it is being
pushed through to me. I mean, honestly, who on the Design Team would be in
favour of this and why? I strongly urge those who are to speak out. I am not
saying this is a conspiracy, all I am saying is that it's against how I
understood we've done things in the past and it takes away a big hallmark of
the Design Team work for a reason that surely don't benefits the team
members as design contributers.
> It's precisely because Owen understands the visibility of the
> wallpaper that he went to great length to explain the nature of his
> request.? So it's unfair to say anyone's not sensitive to that,
> because that seems to me to be the entire reason the request was made.
> I'd hope we're not becoming a team or project that has no ability to
> constructively address requests or find ways to promote great free
> software.
>
Maybe we as the Design Team should vote publicly on the request then.
> Check out Owen's request again to see if it helps clarify this.? He
> indicated this is a one-time branding opportunity to help GNOME 3 with
> marketing their release, and specifically set out reasons for the
> request.
>
How exactly is it that they need marketing? They will be the default in
Fedora and the official future of the Gnome project. I can see how Unity
needs branding and a marketing boost, but that's because they aren't the
official upstream shell. Did people need to explicitely advertise Nautilus
when Gnome 2 came out?
>
> I'm not trying to appease anyone, I'm simply saying why I personally
> feel this could be a worthwhile one-time concession.? Agree or
> disagree, but it's not necessary to attach conspiracy theories.? I
> found out at the same time you did (well, later really, since I came
> into the discussion late, not being at the meeting, for which I
> apologize!).
>
Sorry, I really didn't want to make it sound like a conspiracy. It's just
that they way Mo talked about this special request looked a bit odd in the
IRC logs. Once again, I am sorry I couldn't be there and ask the questions
in person at the time.
>
> And personally I think creating wallpaper is not the biggest
> responsibility for the Design team.? It may be one of the most widely
> visible ones, but it's not the most important IMHO.? I think the most
> important responsibility of the team is handling the many requests for
> design from the community that come up regularly, both connected to
> releases and for completely ad-hoc tasks.? Those requests help Fedora
> contributors have amazing presence at shows, create cool displays,
> attract people to the project, and so forth.? Wallpaper is part of
> that responsibility, traditionally, but I don't think it's the
> overwhelming majority.
OK, we definitely have a different view of the team then. Maybe it is
because I haven't been on board that long. All I know is that people outside
Fedora think that's what we are doing... May be a communication / PR issue
then.
Fab
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13 years, 4 months
14 December 2010 meeting minutes
by Máirín Duffy
Hey everybody!
Thanks for another meeting! Here's the minutes:
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-12-14/fedora-design.2...
Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-12-14/fedora-design.2...
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-12-14/fedora-design.2...
I also posted them to our wiki page here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design#Latest_Meeting_Minutes
Mo Summary:
Topic: Fedora 15 supplemental wallpapers
========================================
We're in good shape here. No new submissions since last week, but Mizmo
sent out a dent and a tweet to solict more interest and it was redented
and retweeted several times.
Topic: Fedora RPG
=================
Mizmo is going to be putting together some more RPG mockups for FUDcon
Tempe in late January, so she'll be working on those after the holiday
break. If anyone wants to join her she'll send out an email to the list
when she starts and hang out in our IRC channel.
Topic: FUDcon Tempe T-shirt design status update
================================================
Emichan worked on a second concept involving a block-print style desert
landscape, but she decided it wasn't as strong as the original concept
so she's decided to stick with that one.
Robyn has contacted a company called BrandX in Tempe
(http://brandxstore.com) to have the shirts made locally. Their
turnaround is 8 biz days from initial order to shipping. They need a
mockup to provide Robyn with a $$ quote.
ACTION: Emichan to send comp to Robyn for BrandX tshirt quote
Topic: Fedora 15 default wallpaper
==================================
So this was a tough topic and we discussed it for at an hour. The
summary is that GNOME 3 is likely our most prominent Fedora 15 feature
and the GNOME 3 team requested of our team that the wallpaper for the
GNOME desktop in Fedora 15 should be the upstream GNOME wallpaper for
F15 only, as sort of a special-edition / celebrating the first distro
release of GNOME 3. The complication here is that they requested the
GNOME wallpaper shouldn't be used by default by other spins because they
would like a unique, recognizable brand for GNOME. The GNOME spin is the
default download on our website, so this would result in us not having
full Fedora branding in our default download nor across our offerings.
The GNOME team has a challenge in that they would like to set a
recognizable GNOME visual style across distros, but it's hard to do that
when distros have distro-specific default wallpapers and brands of their
own to promote.
The wallpaper in question is viewable here:
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/plain/themes/Adwaita/ba...
And its Gimp source is available here:
http://gitorious.org/gnome-design/gnome-design/blobs/master/wallpaper/str...
It was designed by Jakub Steiner and Hylke Bons who are two
well-respected, FLOSS-software-using GNOME designers.
Nicu has already made a blog post on the topic you may wish to look at
here:
http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2010/12/second-class-citizens.html
I want to note that the GNOME team approached us reasonably early now in
the Fedora 15 cycle, and made this request of us recognizing that the
Board has granted this design team the decision of the default wallpaper
for Fedora. While understandably some of you may interpret this as a
negative against against our team, I want to make it clear there is no
ill-will in this request and rather the GNOME 3 team is dealing with a
very challenging branding situation and is hoping for our support.
That being said, it does seem from the meeting that many of you are
against this request. I've brought the matter to Jared's attention and
is currently analyzing the situation, weighing all of our options, and
that looking for some sort of win-win compromise for both our teams. In
either case, we will need a Fedora wallpaper design for Fedora 15, so we
should continue our efforts there.
Topic: Fedora 15 sketching session
==================================
Here's some of the ideas/notes we came up with during the session:
a. http://sumerky.deviantart.com/art/Steampunk-71032811 <= i like
the bg texture (mizmo, 20:35:36)
b. http://drayok.deviantart.com/art/OneWing-Steampunk-Key-140735134
very lovelock and steampunk (but too noun-y for a wallpaper of
course) (mizmo, 20:35:57)
c. http://dolphy.deviantart.com/art/Steampunk-Kitty-188687419 i
think the BG is cool (mizmo, 20:36:30)
d. going the more abstract way, having some geometric pipes james
white style with some water waves splashing at it (mizmo,
20:48:34)
e. steampunk pipes on one side with water flowing out in a water
stripe pattern? (mizmo, 20:48:40)
f. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Modified-stripes.jpg#filelinks
g. I have this weird association of "love" and roller skating -LOL
h. http://rocknro8907.deviantart.com/art/Steampunk-Wings-114717840
i thought maybe the wings could kind of evolve into an abstract
stripe kind of thing
i. I was thinking of a textured overlay .... it doesn't have to be
wood. A good example is the steampunk backround you mentioned
but with the stripe statement. That is the concept ... not the
wood
j. another idea, although not directly stripe-related is the whole
gaia-thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis reminds
me of Final Fantasy 7's lifestream visually:
http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lifestream.png
k. http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2010/06/spectacular-fountains-from-around... water fountain patterns relates to Lovelock for both the Gaia / lifestream link, and also to the Nevada gamblin' town link...more fountains:
* http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/184111/184111,1233895...
* http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3195/2782786333_45c8f15d89_b.jpg
* http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/62870/62870,114862505...
* http://www.denverelectricfountain.org/fountain_photographs.php?c=night
* http://www.denverelectricfountain.org/fountain_photo.php?p=31 !!!
Here's the sketch I came up with:
http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%20Release%
20Themes/F15/Concept%20Sketches/mo-sketch-1.png
I'd like to recommend everyone as you come up with sketches, to upload
them to this directory:
http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%20Release%
20Themes/F15/Concept%20Sketches/
You can connect to it using sftp or ssh. SSH to fedorapeople.org, then
cd to /srv/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora Release Themes/F15/Concept
Sketches.
Thanks,
~m
13 years, 4 months
Re: [Design-team] GNOME as the default desktop (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Minutes - 2010-12-06)
by Máirín Duffy
Hi Jóhann,
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 18:55 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> "19:20:09 <mizmo> nicubunu, i dont think so, the thing that is different
> now than what has happened before is that as part of my full-time job at
> red hat, i keep this team running
> 19:20:28 <mizmo> nicubunu, having the design team for Fedora is really
> important enough that i'm paid to make sure it's going"
>
> "I keep this team running" there's no I in team...
Have you contacted any member of the Fedora design team to ask them if
they read my statement in the logs as you are interpreting it here or if
any of them have taken any other issue with it?
Let's not assume there are problems where there are none, and be
productive about this, okay? :) Remember we're to be excellent to each
other - I think we all appreciate issues being raised where they exist
but the Fedora design team is a very friendly, welcoming, fun, and
respectful group of friends and we don't really fit the picture you are
painting here. I do not think they would agree with your take on this.
So maybe let's get back to the issue at hand? And open a new thread on
this if it is truly an issue worth raising? (Although honestly it's
likely better resolved within the design team itself.)
~m
13 years, 4 months
FUDcon Tempe shirt
by Emily Dirsh
I've got an initial design for the back of the shirt posted here:
http://emichan.fedorapeople.org/FudconTempe/hohokam.png (source file is
in the same location). It's inspired by the art of the Hohokam who once
lived in the area. I've got one more concept I'd like to explore, but I
haven't got it finished/postable yet. Anyway, feedback (as always) is
welcome.
Emily
13 years, 4 months
Sketching sessions F15 wallpaper
by Jef van Schendel
Hi all,
So the last few meetings we talked about doing a sketching session, and now
I'm finally sending an email. :)
My thought was to pick a date and time somewhere next week, where the ones
interested in designing the upcoming Fedora 15 wallpaper can get together
and start brainstorming, sketching and providing feedback to each other.
I set up a WhenIsGood calendar, so everyone who wants to join can pick the
dates and times they're available:
http://whenisgood.net/9bej59
If someone can't make it this time, that's okay. I'll be sure to post the
logs and we can continue discussing afterwards right here on the list. Maybe
there will be even more sessions, if this proves to be a good idea. :)
Who's up for it?
Jef
13 years, 4 months
Design team meeting today, 1900 UTC
by Máirín Duffy
Design dudes & design divas,
Yes, it's time for another action-packed, creativity-filleds meeting of
the minds! Meeting's on today in #fedora-design at 1900 UTC (2 pm
Eastern US).
Here's a rough agenda; if you have interest in any of the items below
please feel free to comment here on list before the meeting or add
additional items:
- Fedora 15 supplemental wallpaper submissions - how are we doing?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_Artwork_Supplemental_Wallpapers_Submiss...
- FUDcon Tempe T-shirt design status update
- Fedora RPG
- Fedora 15 Default Wallpaper Sketch session!!!!
Again, the meeting will be in #fedora-design on irc.freenode.net, 1900
UTC.
Open action items:
==================
1. mizmo to talk to gnome shell peeps re: suitable wallpapers /
guidelines
See ya then,
~m
13 years, 4 months
